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gyro said:
"...to those seeking to change their sexual behavior." sounds like conversion therapy to me.
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to me it sounds like he wants people to have less sex (hence why he talks about and purports abstinence), because sex causes HIV AIDS, so less sex = less AIDS (not agreeing with that or supporting it, but its what he is saying)... its a big jump to go from that quote to conversion therapy. Also the term sexual behavior is just odd, no one ever uses that term to in the context of LGBT

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does Pence probably disagree with LGBT rights, probably if he is still thinking abstinence is best thing (a little outdated in this day and age). So people jumped on this quote and exacerbated its meaning to make Pence look even worse. When he does a perfectly fine job of that himself since he thinks he can tell people about their intimate actions....
 
Listen. He doesn't like gay people. He thinks they're abnormal. He probably doesn't even know what LGBT stands for. "To those seeking to change their sexual behaviour" is just a nicer way of putting it, without causing too much drama or drawing too much attention to yourself. It's his outlet for prejudice.
 
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i don't think he's in any position to control what people want to do, even if he's our 'vice president' now. i really don't think it's his business if people engage in sexual activity or not lol
 
Hopeless Opus said:
i don't think he's in any position to control what people want to do, even if he's our 'vice president' now. i really don't think it's his business if people engage in sexual activity or not lol
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this is my biggest gripe about all the articles floating around the last page... well said. He is a bigoted politician who thinks he knows best and wants to make people feel bad for making choices different than his opinions. This probably includes LGBT rights and I know it includes other things like termination (I live in Indiana and there is some strong viewpoints about him lol, thankfully I interact most with the liberal people of Indiana)
 
nintendofan85 said:
He was a Democrat until 1987, then switched to Republican and stayed one until 1999, when he then became part of the "Reform Party" (a third party formed by Ross Perot in 1995) and remained a member of it until 2001, when he then switched back to being a Democrat. He stayed a Democrat then until 2009, when he then switched back to being a Republican and stayed one until 2011, when he then became an independent, but switched back to a being a Republican just a year later in 2012. So yeah, he's switched parties a total of six times.
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he kept looking around until he finally realized it was the GOP that had enough rubes to put him over the top...
 
toadsworthy said:
to me it sounds like he wants people to have less sex (hence why he talks about and purports abstinence), because sex causes HIV AIDS, so less sex = less AIDS (not agreeing with that or supporting it, but its what he is saying)... its a big jump to go from that quote to conversion therapy. Also the term sexual behavior is just odd, no one ever uses that term to in the context of LGBT
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Homophobes are always pirouetting around the phrase "gay sex" or anything relating to it so the "sexual behaviour" thing isn't a surprise to me at all.

His spokesman (Marc Lotter) tried to deny Pence's support of conversion therapy by claiming that quote was in favour of safe sex, but then why would he take away funding from programs that encourage it and that help people with HIV/AIDS? Plus with what he's said about condoms and how they're "too modern", it sounds like he just wants LGB people to suffer and live the Reagan era again to me.

I know you think the claims against him are "biased since they're all LGBT people" or whatever but I think we LGBT people have a better homophobia radar than those who aren't one of us. Pence and Lotter can dance around their own claims all they want but honestly with how violently homophobic Pence is I'm sure he's in favour of conversion therapy even if that quote wasn't about it.
 
gyro said:
Homophobes are always pirouetting around the phrase "gay sex" or anything relating to it so the "sexual behaviour" thing isn't a surprise to me at all.

His spokesman (Marc Lotter) tried to deny Pence's support of conversion therapy by claiming that quote was in favour of safe sex, but then why would he take away funding from programs that encourage it and that help people with HIV/AIDS? Plus with what he's said about condoms and how they're "too modern", it sounds like he just wants LGB people to suffer and live the Reagan era again to me.

I know you think the claims against him are "biased since they're all LGBT people" or whatever but I think we LGBT people have a better homophobia radar than those who aren't one of us. Pence and Lotter can dance around their own claims all they want but honestly with how violently homophobic Pence is I'm sure he's in favour of conversion therapy even if that quote wasn't about it.
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this just supports the mindset of people feeling attacked by him trying to then turn everything he says into even more of an attack on them, thus furthering the divide between opposing sides. If we are going to protest about things, we have to look at statements with a clear mind, find fault for what people are saying and leave our biases out of it. Also not drawing conclusions and making inferences affected by these biases and focus on facts (so looking at what he actually said rather than full force supporting an assumption about what he said)

What funding did he take away? I'm curious and know nothing about politics honestly (I just hate modern day media and news, and feel they are a huge part of making the current situation worse)
 
I was going to chime in, but it looks like Bowie, gyro and Dixx said it all.

Anyone who thinks that Trump/Pence isn't anti-LGBTQ is really missing the main point. My fianc? and I are getting married asap for fear of marriage equality getting revoked in the near future. :(
 
toadsworthy said:
this just supports the mindset of people feeling attacked by him trying to then turn everything he says into even more of an attack on them, thus furthering the divide between opposing sides. If we are going to protest about things, we have to look at statements with a clear mind, find fault for what people are saying and leave our biases out of it. Also not drawing conclusions and making inferences affected by these biases and focus on facts (so looking at what he actually said rather than full force supporting an assumption about what he said)

What funding did he take away? I'm curious and know nothing about politics honestly (I just hate modern day media and news, and feel they are a huge part of making the current situation worse)
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I'm not trying to turn anything into anything that's just how I interpreted everything. Clearly you've interpreted it differently and either way neither of us can really be 100% positive of whatever the hell goes on in Pence's mind (and tbh I don't know if I want to be).

He wanted to stop the Ryan White Care Act which provides funding for people with HIV/AIDS. I can't remember if he actually got anywhere with it.
 
He has literally been in office for what, less than a week? A week? He has already: taken the LGBT page down of the official White House page, freezed the grants of programs that include funding for research, redevelopment of former industrial sites, air quality monitoring and education, planned to cut $815 million dollars from climate, environmental, and tribe assistance programs, and signed to advance the construction of Keystone XL and Dakota Access oil pipelines.

This isn't about being a Republican or a Democratic citizen anymore. It's about our lives, our future, and our planet. If both sides continue arguing or become oblivious to the damage that is happening to our planet right before our eyes, there won't be democrats or republicans anymore. We'll just be people trying to live off of a ruined world, running out of resources to feed our own families.

Although I don't completely understand politics, or whatever is going on with statistics or voters, I understand that my life might be in jeopardy in the future if Trump keeps up this work.
 
Leen said:
I was going to chime in, but it looks like Bowie, gyro and Dixx said it all.

Anyone who thinks that Trump/Pence isn't anti-LGBTQ is really missing the main point. My fianc? and I are getting married asap for fear of marriage equality getting revoked in the near future. :(
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I thought a Supreme Court decision couldn't be revoked though?:confused:

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vel said:
He has literally been in office for what, less than a week? A week? He has already: taken the LGBT page down of the official White House page, freezed the grants of programs that include funding for research, redevelopment of former industrial sites, air quality monitoring and education, planned to cut $815 million dollars from climate, environmental, and tribe assistance programs, and signed to advance the construction of Keystone XL and Dakota Access oil pipelines.

This isn't about being a Republican or a Democratic citizen anymore. It's about our lives, our future, and our planet. If both sides continue arguing or become oblivious to the damage that is happening to our planet right before our eyes, there won't be democrats or republicans anymore. We'll just be people trying to live off of a ruined world, running out of resources to feed our own families.

Although I don't completely understand politics, or whatever is going on with statistics or voters, I understand that my life might be in jeopardy in the future if Trump keeps up this work.
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Four days to be precise.
 
gyro said:
I'm not trying to turn anything into anything that's just how I interpreted everything. Clearly you've interpreted it differently and either way neither of us can really be 100% positive of whatever the hell goes on in Pence's mind (and tbh I don't know if I want to be).

He wanted to stop the Ryan White Care Act which provides funding for people with HIV/AIDS. I can't remember if he actually got anywhere with it.
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very true, he is butt-backwards on a lot of topics in my opinion. Yes he has supported Congress not recognizing LGBT equality rights and that is terrible. He wants to defund the Ryan White Care Act (or wanted to in 2000) which gives money to help people get treatment for HIV/AIDS because he wants it to go to getting people to practice abstinence and safe sex. Which is stupid in all honesty, because HIV can spread even if people do practice safe sex. These things are two separate entities though. Both prove Pence is an idiot, but nothing points to conversion therapy and therefore it shouldn't be assumed that he supports that.
 
vel said:
He has literally been in office for what, less than a week? A week? He has already: taken the LGBT page down of the official White House page, freezed the grants of programs that include funding for research, redevelopment of former industrial sites, air quality monitoring and education, planned to cut $815 million dollars from climate, environmental, and tribe assistance programs, and signed to advance the construction of Keystone XL and Dakota Access oil pipelines.

This isn't about being a Republican or a Democratic citizen anymore. It's about our lives, our future, and our planet. If both sides continue arguing or become oblivious to the damage that is happening to our planet right before our eyes, there won't be democrats or republicans anymore. We'll just be people trying to live off of a ruined world, running out of resources to feed our own families.

Although I don't completely understand politics, or whatever is going on with statistics or voters, I understand that my life might be in jeopardy in the future if Trump keeps up this work.
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yeah he thinks he can run this place as like a factory of robots devoid of consequences and people's cares, but thats not feasible in the world we live in right now. Even if it does help profits for America (or whatever, I don't know economics) what will be the cost of it, and is it really going to be worth it? Groups of people feeling unheard and insignificant? More protests? There is more to this life than money
 
vel said:
He has literally been in office for what, less than a week? A week? He has already: taken the LGBT page down of the official White House page, freezed the grants of programs that include funding for research, redevelopment of former industrial sites, air quality monitoring and education, planned to cut $815 million dollars from climate, environmental, and tribe assistance programs, and signed to advance the construction of Keystone XL and Dakota Access oil pipelines.

This isn't about being a Republican or a Democratic citizen anymore. It's about our lives, our future, and our planet. If both sides continue arguing or become oblivious to the damage that is happening to our planet right before our eyes, there won't be democrats or republicans anymore. We'll just be people trying to live off of a ruined world, running out of resources to feed our own families.

Although I don't completely understand politics, or whatever is going on with statistics or voters, I understand that my life might be in jeopardy in the future if Trump keeps up this work.
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Everything I would have said. That he's done all this in less than a week is an ill omen of what is to come.
 
I would debate, but y'know... I cause "controversy" to the point where I can receive an "infraction".
 
Raskell said:
I would debate, but y'know... I cause "controversy" to the point where I can receive an "infraction".
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If you don't do anything that you got an infraction for you'll be fine. Just don't call people names or resort to personal insults.

I've gotten loads of em and I'm still here so go ahead and debate.
 
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