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Fire Emblem Fates General Discussion: Filled with Nohrian Scum

Yatogami said:
Regarding Soleil..
Here's some interesting info to perhaps sway your mind.
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I don't really want to be spoiled about anything, but anyway I still read this so I can know what's really going on.... and

"Soleli doesn't detest the main character from hiding it from her. In fact, she thanks him because it helped her overcome her predicament."

"She's trying to stop getting distracted by girls because it's literally preventing her from performing on the battlefield."

.... so.. I think Soleil was actually okay with it..? I mean, it did seem like she was trying to seek help to solve her problem of 'fainting whenever there's a cute girl around' ..?

anyway I think people should read this too.

- - - Post Merge - - -

I guess misinterpretation and being lost in translation really affected this issue a lot, and in a bad way I guess..........
 
Long rant incoming in 3... 2... 1... GO!


Most (if not all) of those outcries I've seen for a game that reminded me why I wouldn't take any Internet fanbase too seriously.
Although I've mostly based on some of the English translations of those amazon.jp reviews, they still managed to brilliantly demonstrate on how unfounded some people from the fanbase could possibly be to an otherwise worthy entry of the franchise. Heck, they even failed to cover some of the basics of enjoying a video game!

What makes you want to play games over reading a book? Gameplay or story? I'm sure that the vast majority of players in the world wouldn't care much about the story and rather want to actually play a game. Isn't that the reason you would boot up your favorite gaming console, plop a cartridge/disc in and play it in first place? To experience something that you wouldn't get by reading any book, by actually being able to interact with the universe within the work as opposed to being a mere helpless spectator. Therefore, the poorly-written plot argument does not deter much of my enjoyment of a game, as long as the gameplay is still entertaining. If the reverse occurred, then I would rather look at the Internet than playing it.
Wait, are poorly-written plots such a thing to begin with? Well, I guess that their tastes are radically different to ours... If I get to hear on exactly what factors they consider for a good storyline. For me, it would have to be the experience through the entire main campaign.

I also get a feeling that these reviewers are nitpicky about Corrin and the fanservice found in both games. Again, I don't have much knowledge about the protagonist, but I definitely know that a customizable protagonist is certainly bound to relate the player the most. The story writer had to compromise some freedom in the writing just to let this happen, unlike Robin the customizable tactician who acts as a deuteragonist. What did they expected out of main character of Fates? Do these issues really ruin the experience? I don't think so, since the rest of the game can make up for that.
From what I've seen so far, the fanservice moments are pretty tame and don't distract the player too much away from the real deal. Even I would easily tolerate that much, given that the rest of the content seems to be enjoyable for me.


I haven't got to purchase the game yet, but most of the negativity that stems from the communities are mostly unfounded and lack a certain degree of objectivity needed to make their arguments believable enough in the eyes of the more sane people. Especially when it's been only less than 2 weeks the game has been released and it hasn't been fully and properly translated to at least in English, which is why the fandom can get pretty wild. And the game does employ very complex aspects of the Japanese language, so the many wannabe translators will tend to get stumped a lot of times... I'd rather wait for the more professional reviews to come. Some of them might be still hit or miss affairs, but they generally do serve a much better job on informing you what would make you want to buy or not.

Okay, I may have acted like Captain Obvious, but some people here apparently don't get the concept I was trying to tell earlier than now. And I feel like it's worth mentioning to help out users to mitigate the negativity stemming from the possibly wrong reasons.
 
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I really wished they stuck to the traditional FE style. All this extra stuff is unnecessary. The fanservice is annoying.

I disagree, story is really big for me in a game. I love learning the lore and the background. It makes the game feel more immersive to me. There are a couple of games I play just for gameplay (Bravely Default, coz lets face it the story is ****) but thats very rare. I prefer a good story with my games. Awakening didn't have the best story, but it was alright for me.
 
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ugh I don't want to comment much about it since I don't want to read the support translations yet, but creiiii this is all so confusing though asdgdfhdfhzjdfj but yeah I guess we should wait for a proper translation, since there would definitely be things that would be lost in translation :^\

ehh.. kinda saddening how the fe makers handled this support though... based from what I've read so far
 
tokkio said:
ugh I don't want to comment much about it since I don't want to read the support translations yet, but creiiii this is all so confusing though asdgdfhdfhzjdfj but yeah I guess we should wait for a proper translation, since there would definitely be things that would be lost in translation :^\

ehh.. kinda saddening how the fe makers handled this support though... based from what I've read so far
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I really dislike what they've done either way. I really dislike when the supports don't actually follow the gameplay in any way. I really miss GBA FE games.
 
Trundle said:
I really dislike what they've done either way. I really dislike when the supports don't actually follow the gameplay in any way. I really miss GBA FE games.
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See I love the fact that the supports dont necessarily follow the story, as it gives you more insight into the characters and allows you to really make a connection with them. It makes it to where you know a lot about the characters, a lot more if you didnt do any supports and just beat the game
 
I like supports that allude to the story, but also the ones that aren't necessarily related to ongoing story events. Characters drop hints about relationships, their lives, what shapes their personality, etc.

That being said, finding out all of the supports can be irritating too. I've grown to dislike Nah, whose only really cute male support is with Morgan. The rest are kind of creepy or abusive or uncomfortable. I get the same vibe from that Soleil support, but at least it wasn't bad for the reason the one post made it seem because that was really disappointing to read at first.
 
Trundle said:
@justice

https://imgur.com/gallery/Z46S9

EDIT: Although there is a strong counter argument here: https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem...e_recent_controversy_surrounding_fire/csq0hj3

There have been some clarifications to the original article after that post.

In the end, I think we need to wait for a proper translation of the game to really judge what is going on. It seems like there are a lot of mixed POVs right now.
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Too tired to read the reddit, already saw the imgur one.

At the end of the day, theres still no reason for Soleil to not have any S supports with girls. Like how do you justify the biggest lesbian girl I've ever seen in a game not being able to marry any girls? But the Tharja clone can?

I heard her other supports with men is still trying to convnince her that she likes boys. I don't accept shes bi though coz of a little comment and the fact that you literally have to convince her so hard that she likes men.

You know those guys that always talk about wanting to turn a lesbian straight? Yeah she's the dream girl for those ****heads. Now they can finally do it. And thats why people are upset.

It's upsetting that the devs listened to the fans cry for gay characters. They put a cute lesbian girl in just for her to turn straight, meanwhile the gay charaters in this game are a sadist (Zero) and a stalker (tharja clone).

People are telling me I should be happy we even got an option. But I don't understand why they made such an obvious gay lesbian girl not being able to marry female kamui? Like what is their reasoning for this? Surely that would've made more sense than the Tharja clone.

Also I emailed Nintendo about this. Got a response, saying they filed my complaint for the translation team or something? Idk. I'm tired as hell. Will post it later, maybe.

I loved this game, I really did, but even if it changes in the english release idk if I can still support it unless changes are made to the japanese one :/
 
My understanding was that Soleil is bi, though. Not necessarily bisexual, but at least biromantic. She doesn't find boys unacceptable as romantic partners, she just finds girls superior. It is weird that she can't support with girls though. Maybe it's the whole fainting around them thing, which is meh, still. Pray to the localization team.
 
dapperlace said:
My understanding was that Soleil is bi, though. Not necessarily bisexual, but at least biromantic. She doesn't find boys unacceptable as romantic partners, she just finds girls superior. It is weird that she can't support with girls though. Maybe it's the whole fainting around them thing, which is meh, still. Pray to the localization team.
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As someone who identifies as bisexual, she's not bi at all. You shouldn't have to try so hard to convince a bisexual person they like another gender, so the fact that in her supports you have to try hard to convince she likes boys well.. isn't really evidence of her being bisexual.

I just wish her supports weren't such a mess. If she was the gay option instead of the Tharja clone, the game would've been soooo much better IMO. I don't want to marry a Tharja clone, already hated Tharja in Awakening. Zero is cute but I'm kind of bummed he's a sadist.

Also is it me or does that one Tsyumokou whatever kid with reddish orange hair on Hoshido look like a Ricken/Donnel kid to me? He reminded me so much of them anyway. More Ricken though
 
i want her now

Elise_art.jpg omg waifus here i come
 
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i kinda wanna read the supports between the hoshido/nohr counterparts. i wanna read hinoka and camilias supports because i know camilia flirts with her a little bit

also why do none of the nohr kids look like the king

and why is camilia the only one with purple hair and everyone else is blond. is she having a scene phase
 
justice said:
i kinda wanna read the supports between the hoshido/nohr counterparts. i wanna read hinoka and camilias supports because i know camilia flirts with her a little bit

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Here's the support conversation between Hinoka and Camilla. For those who aren't aware, any support conversation can be technically a spoiler. Read at your own risk.


Speaking of the sales in Japan, the Birthright version sold about 154,000 copies while Conquest did sold about 107,000. 42,991 copies of limited edition bundles managed to be sold. That makes a total of 303,666 units.

Source: http://www.siliconera.com/2015/07/03/fire-emblem-fates-birthright-sold-more-than-conquest-in-japan/
 
TheBigJC7777777 said:
Here's the support conversation between Hinoka and Camilla. For those who aren't aware, any support conversation can be technically a spoiler. Read at your own risk.


Speaking of the sales in Japan, the Birthright version sold about 154,000 copies while Conquest did sold about 107,000. 42,991 copies of limited edition bundles managed to be sold. That makes a total of 303,666 units.

Source: http://www.siliconera.com/2015/07/03/fire-emblem-fates-birthright-sold-more-than-conquest-in-japan/
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AWWW THEYRE SO CUTE
 
justice said:
i kinda wanna read the supports between the hoshido/nohr counterparts. i wanna read hinoka and camilias supports because i know camilia flirts with her a little bit

also why do none of the nohr kids look like the king

and why is camilia the only one with purple hair and everyone else is blond. is she having a scene phase
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I assume Garon originally has blond hair that turned white with age, but everyone in Nohr has different mothers. Marx is the son of the queen (who's deceased) and Camilla, Leon, and Elise are children from concubines.

Some Nohr/Hoshido are listed here: http://pastebin.com/wZCcpdBp I like the interactions between the sisters best! (Leon/Takumi is cute too, but Marx/Ryoma was kinda boring lol)
 
justice said:
As someone who identifies as bisexual, she's not bi at all. You shouldn't have to try so hard to convince a bisexual person they like another gender, so the fact that in her supports you have to try hard to convince she likes boys well.. isn't really evidence of her being bisexual.

I just wish her supports weren't such a mess. If she was the gay option instead of the Tharja clone, the game would've been soooo much better IMO. I don't want to marry a Tharja clone, already hated Tharja in Awakening. Zero is cute but I'm kind of bummed he's a sadist.

Also is it me or does that one Tsyumokou whatever kid with reddish orange hair on Hoshido look like a Ricken/Donnel kid to me? He reminded me so much of them anyway. More Ricken though
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I haven't read all of her supports, but my general understanding is that they're a mess regardless of her orientation. I don't really think I'd be comfortable pairing someone with anyone if they had to try so hard to convince them they like them. If someone likes someone else they'd know, and that's a level of uncomfortable on its own.

I still think there was at least one support that stated she didn't find boys unacceptable as romantic partners, which I think might be what's behind the biromantic label, unless that wasn't translated properly. I'm trying to avoid reading any more because I'm trying really hard to avoid spoilers (although the way some people title their YouTube videos already confirmed some things for me).

My main thing is..
WHY CAN'T I MARRY CAMILLA (as a girl). 8(
The boob belt will forever bother me but her VA is really doing it for me. Plus her face is actually incredibly adorable.
And I feel like from what I've seen, she makes a lot of jokes that imply she's not completely straight..
 
justice said:
Too tired to read the reddit, already saw the imgur one.

At the end of the day, theres still no reason for Soleil to not have any S supports with girls. Like how do you justify the biggest lesbian girl I've ever seen in a game not being able to marry any girls? But the Tharja clone can?

I heard her other supports with men is still trying to convnince her that she likes boys. I don't accept shes bi though coz of a little comment and the fact that you literally have to convince her so hard that she likes men.

You know those guys that always talk about wanting to turn a lesbian straight? Yeah she's the dream girl for those ****heads. Now they can finally do it. And thats why people are upset.

It's upsetting that the devs listened to the fans cry for gay characters. They put a cute lesbian girl in just for her to turn straight, meanwhile the gay charaters in this game are a sadist (Zero) and a stalker (tharja clone).

People are telling me I should be happy we even got an option. But I don't understand why they made such an obvious gay lesbian girl not being able to marry female kamui? Like what is their reasoning for this? Surely that would've made more sense than the Tharja clone.

Also I emailed Nintendo about this. Got a response, saying they filed my complaint for the translation team or something? Idk. I'm tired as hell. Will post it later, maybe.

I loved this game, I really did, but even if it changes in the english release idk if I can still support it unless changes are made to the japanese one :/
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Yeah I dunno. It's possible that the game was coded that only males and females can have supports and it was too late to change it so they wrote in what they could? I'm not really sure.
 
Trundle said:
Yeah I dunno. It's possible that the game was coded that only males and females can have supports and it was too late to change it so they wrote in what they could? I'm not really sure.
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this isnt actually what happens at all in the game, if u look it up ont he fire emblem reddit you'll find out
 
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