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Mafia [GAME THREAD] Karen Mafia (Endgame - Mafia Wins)
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i do agree that kat's eod looked bad because it felt like hedging, but i feel like i kind of did the same thing and it came from a place of genuine uncertainty for me so i just don't really know if it's AI
like idk about anyone else but i had 0 confidence at all for the entirety of day 1. it felt like discussion was really stifled and nobody was really that interested in talking about anything. the activity in the last hour was good but it almost felt like people had forgotten about the game up to that point
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Just a reminder, Kat wasn't the only one to EOD.
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uncertainty isn't the qualm -- the willingness to follow majority is, which allows people to lie low bc "oopsie!!!!! i'm not maf i just made a wittle ewwow ;_;." being uncertain, expressing that, and voting who you believe is different than being willing to jump on 3 wagons and settling for the one who's going to provide 1 singular tl if town
don't understand the sl on me either for trying to provide an alternative to blatant uncertainty while not providing a solution. i genuinely don't believe maf would try to give room for reasoning when everyone was wildly out of sorts and there was the potential for a wasted eod. which makes me believe that one of the "uncertain" people are maf
also willing to kill dedenne in order to provide tl bc you defended her...... i do not UNDERSTAND. it'd be acceptable if either of them did something blatantly anti-town, but that never happened. the only thing that's not even anti-town, but questionable, was antonio's rng 2.0 suggestion
i also don't like volt's death, bc imo people who've played w/ them absolutely understand the fact that they won't tunnel someone they sus, but rather just make comments/vote for who they want. look at the last km -- volt led an elim on cake bc they had a feeling/didn't think it was the other 2 being questioned. endless made a solid point, there are stronger players. more specifically people who WILL tunnel you to death. that's exactly why i killed you in june maf -- straight up fear kill. that's not an insult towards them, it's the difference in playstyle. i think volt's reads need to be analyzed bc i truly think they were onto something and one of the maf were scared or uncertain
pls say my thoughts are cohesive here. besides that, i think there's at least 1 maf in both the antonio/dedenne wagons
yeah i understand what you mean
re: the bolded it pinged me too but my tinfoil was a kat/dedenne team and that kat was setting me up to be framed in the event dedenne was the lynch (at the time, dedenne was the only one who had been cased so it was entirely plausible she'd be lynched without kat actually having to actively bus). obviously i've abandoned that now though bc dedenne flipped town
i'll try and make a readslist now before i go to sleep. it won't necessarily be ordered bc honestly i don't know where i am in terms of making a tiered list but i'll just post my thoughts
Epona's defence of hesitance I didn't even think was that great a point, and not what I wanted you to respond to.
I'm going to reword epona's point to drive it home.
Here is your scumread of dedenne:
The bolded portion is the relevant portion.
Now, here is the quote you're talking about with that sentence:
In isolation, your point is fine. However, epona juxtaposed that line of dedenne's with the one right before she went to bed:
Now, her "expecting there to be more to read" seems incredibly reasonable in line with her not being able to "wait to have loads of pages to catch up on".but for now i am going to sleep cant wait to have loads of pages to catch up to when i wake up
Moreover, disappointment is also reasonable in this context. She stated an expectation that was absolutely reasonable and awoke for it not to be met.
This is the point I wanted you to respond to, not the subjective hesitancy issue.
went through volt's ISO:
so basically volt's reads were:
town - antonio, dedenne, ace
scum?? - mog
scum - kat
i don't think the mog read is that deep i think it's just the alternative volt wanted to find a compromise between voting inactives and voting two wagons that volt was townreading
tentative v/v read on the aerious/antonio back and forth. don't really think this matters much bc it was very early on
suggests kat could be wolfing:
agreed with mylifeiscake that the memeing could be worth looking into. i disagree now but just chucked it in here in case
disagreed with the general feeling in the thread and said that ace seems totally normal (FOS on ace brought up by kat originally i think, and was gaining a bit of traction in the thread)
makes a comment on me voicing my opinion but idk what they meant here in terms of reads
brings up mog as a potential for the first time and discredits the case on dedenne
refuting the meta townreads that kat and antonio brought up on mog despite her having only 4 posts
was going to join me on the ronishy vote but decided against it when there was no reaction for/against it in the thread, pushes mog again
brings the w!kat comment from earlier back up
townreads antonio and dedenne and ace
again thinks kat is wolfing but doesn't vote her
suggests kat could be wolfing:
agreed with mylifeiscake that the memeing could be worth looking into. i disagree now but just chucked it in here in case
disagreed with the general feeling in the thread and said that ace seems totally normal (FOS on ace brought up by kat originally i think, and was gaining a bit of traction in the thread)
makes a comment on me voicing my opinion but idk what they meant here in terms of reads
brings up mog as a potential for the first time and discredits the case on dedenne
refuting the meta townreads that kat and antonio brought up on mog despite her having only 4 posts
was going to join me on the ronishy vote but decided against it when there was no reaction for/against it in the thread, pushes mog again
brings the w!kat comment from earlier back up
townreads antonio and dedenne and ace
again thinks kat is wolfing but doesn't vote her
so basically volt's reads were:
town - antonio, dedenne, ace
scum?? - mog
scum - kat
i don't think the mog read is that deep i think it's just the alternative volt wanted to find a compromise between voting inactives and voting two wagons that volt was townreading
i went through them too
their reads were:
town: antonio, dedenne
null: ace, guava, me
scum??: mog (combo for inactive and could be maf playing safe)
scum: kat
to be honest after going through volt's ISO i don't really think they were killed for their reads, unless it's an attempt to frame mog or kat? but in my experience framing doesn't really happen as much as people like to think it does
i'd give mog and kat both more credit than killing someone who was scumleaning them, although none of volt's reads were that confident or strongly expressed so idk
i forget who said it but i agree that their last post right before the thread was locked for n1 seemed very genuine in tone and they may just have been killed because they weren't a foreseeable ML in the future
i'd give mog and kat both more credit than killing someone who was scumleaning them, although none of volt's reads were that confident or strongly expressed so idk
i forget who said it but i agree that their last post right before the thread was locked for n1 seemed very genuine in tone and they may just have been killed because they weren't a foreseeable ML in the future
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i kind of took the 'ace gives me comfort' thing as a townlean on ace but yeah pretty much
honestly, methinks antonio is lost town and kat is maf. volt was the only person sussing kat until i mentioned gut feeling at end, and fearkills do happen quite often regardless of skill. i genuinely do think volt was killed for a reason, bc i can't see anyone who's played w/ volt or just in general killing them instantly for any other purpose. i can't read ace/guava, so i'm avoiding that completely
just waiting to see what everyone else contributes
speaking of guava i would like to see more from her
& yes in hindsight i'm waiting til tomorrow to post reads because i want to see more people chiming in while i am asleep
you just said that volt was an unlikely fearkill though because they're not the kind of player to deathtunnel someone
i could see a w!kat world but volt's death kind of steers me away from that if anything to be honest
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& yes in hindsight i'm waiting til tomorrow to post reads because i want to see more people chiming in while i am asleep
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you just said that volt was an unlikely fearkill though because they're not the kind of player to deathtunnel someone
i could see a w!kat world but volt's death kind of steers me away from that if anything to be honest
soz i worded this horribly. i think volt is an unlikely fearkill from someone who's played with them and kat hasn't (i believe), or at least to the extent of multiple games. my vote is p set unless something else arises. i do think it's entirely plausible that volt was killed bc they had a decent understanding of the game, and that's the only world where i can see them n1'd
Volt was killed by mafia.
I was reading into why mafia might have committed that action. (Maybe due to his reads, for example.)
Dedenne was murdered by town.
Dedenne wasn't lynched due to her reads - she was lynched due to glow's push on them + people not wanting to lynch you last second.
I hope that clears up the difference.
The more I thought about this the more it rubbed off as weird, you have some explaining to do glow. Some additional explaining.
So you were "Applying pressure" while you didn't post in the thread for the last 3 hours?
You said you voted because you "were taking a nap and didn't want to die for not voting".
Am I misinterpreting this by assuming you weren't reading the thread? If you weren't reading the thread, what was the point of the pressure?
Were you expecting other people to do something off it?
Or were you reading up until a point and then stopped for a nap?
I've got a lot of questions but I'm genuinely super curious about the answer.
As a reminder, please do not post after your death. Do not haunt the thread, keep it to the graveyard.
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They were both acting from a town mindset. It doesn't matter if her reads killed her or not, it matters that her opinions were coming from a town perspective.
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