I think if endless sticks around long enough we will have to consider that but so far nothing from him is giving any bad vibes.
Kat/glow/Tensu? How compatible is this team? I think kat/glow are a very likely scumpair but not sure how well Tensu meshes with those two. This is just the vibe I'm getting from reading up on everything
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I can back this up about glow; that being said, there's more reason to be sus of glow than just "she is different from meta!!!!!!!!!"
honestly the former was my thought too d1. abe is the first person i’d kill as mafia, unless someone sl’d me and figured the game out (which i think volt did). he’d be a ridiculously lucky d1 elim from a mafia pov
my thought was kat/tensu bc he’s parroting endless and probability of chainsaw, i dunno third
but also bc that’s what my gut said asap lol
tbh the only thing i've taken away from today is:
1. something abt annie reads off to me (scumpona returns, coming soon to theatres near you)
2. honestly why wasnt endless axed like wouldn't mafia want to get rid of him asap? he's got the wallposts and is very thorough.
also i agree w point 2, it’s deliberately why i tried to avoid mentioning him being the strongest player imo for me wanting him to survive past d1 elim
who tf tried to get him killed yesterday? kat engaged me in that convo and me mentioning i want him to survive, right? some1 pls find am on mobile and out atm
honestly the former was my thought too d1. abe is the first person i’d kill as mafia, unless someone sl’d me and figured the game out (which i think volt did). he’d be a ridiculously lucky d1 elim from a mafia pov
my thought was kat/tensu bc he’s parroting endless and probability of chainsaw, i dunno third
but also bc that’s what my gut said asap lol
plz elaborate on point 1
also i agree w point 2, it’s deliberately why i tried to avoid mentioning him being the strongest player imo for me wanting him to survive past d1 elim
who tf tried to get him killed yesterday? kat engaged me in that convo and me mentioning i want him to survive, right? some1 pls find am on mobile and out atm
i think it's the arguments she's putting forth. she's kinda focusing on inconsquential details? notably the back n forth about "strong players" re: volt/endless. it just felt weird?? prompted??? idk dude but just wanted to note that
wait a min it was antonio that mentioned endless going first
i rly think antonio should’ve gone yesterday strictly for eod chaos and rng 2.0 looking back. the only reason i tl them is bc volt pointed it out before they perished
kat’s eod was wildly chaotic and scummy and i don’t understand epona voting dedenne even tho tl
me this game:
i’m voting kat now unless something else comes up prior to eod
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and why did i even have to defend endless not going from antonio’s rng???? why did kat pressure me for saying i don’t want endless to go when he was randomly selected anyways??!??!??
plz, kat if u flip town, i do not UNDERSTAND
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@voltairenism i'm trying my hardest to avenge u rn my god
I think if endless sticks around long enough we will have to consider that but so far nothing from him is giving any bad vibes.
Kat/glow/Tensu? How compatible is this team? I think kat/glow are a very likely scumpair but not sure how well Tensu meshes with those two. This is just the vibe I'm getting from reading up on everything
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I can back this up about glow; that being said, there's more reason to be sus of glow than just "she is different from meta!!!!!!!!!"
Ok, I'm going to be making a case regarding Glow. First, I'm going to do an ISO:
This quote doesn't really add much to the discussion besides imply that they have forgotten about the game.
Glow wants Kat to point out who is giving red flags. This was on page #7 but Kat mentioned the quotes themselves were on page #2. "I am assuming they were asking for clarification due to
I don't see any explanations of posts on page #2 but I do see Aerious meming, which is what Kat said to the above quote and how it bothered them. Meming shouldn't be alignment indicating due to the game just started.
i didn't make a statement nor care about people memeing; the purpose of my question was to understand what kat was saying because it didn't make any sense to me. fwiw it still doesn't but i moved on.
Why didn't you just state it right away instead of implying it, this implication doesn't add anything but filler. It feels like you were looking for a reaction before properly pushing.
Here's your push for Dede, doesn't look like 2 sentences. I also do not agree with this reasoning, being hesitant isn't really AI. Dede's explanation explained my concerns the best:
not necessarily AI, but they just seemed afraid to post. which was true. personally, it doesn't make sense to be afraid to post as town. but clearly it was due to other reasons -- my premise was right but my conclusion was wrong s0oo0o0o
I think these provided a good perspective but I haven't seen much from them after this post during day 1. What worries me is that 2hrs later, they came online and voted but didn't provide any other posts during that period.
Day 2 post, they stated that someone's post was very towny but failed to elaborate on it. It's filler.
addressed the voting thing earlier already; i am really struggling with the whole 24hr days thing and definitely WILL NOT join another setup with this schedule cos 16 out of those 24 hours i'm either working or sleeping
as for why i said rosh was towny, it was just the wording of their posts. some (i.e. the one i quoted) are so out there as far as logical claims, i just don't think mafia think out loud like that. in other words, i don't think mafia would posture in thread stating that "mafia is not defending them in order to confuse town", it's just one of those out of left field statements that i don't think mafia would manufacture.
nah but i am willing to bet that evan has not read in full, i mean just based on what he said to endless' summary.
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also, the difference is that my conviction was based off a [true] premise and evan is just piggybacking off the names that have been in the spotlight the last ~3 pages.
I get how my response to epona’s post can be seen as pretty sheepish. I just felt the need to reply to her even if most of what I said was super similar to endless, I still stand by what I said. (Most of that post could’ve probably been omitted since endless’s was so similar but I just really wanted to drive that point home.) I still brought up some unique points but yeah I understand the backlash. Ultimately, I wanted to put in a decent response to epona because the dialouge was between us two in the first place.
But reading through the thread up to now makes me scumlean Antonio less. I’ve been liking his posts more this D2. Even though I only skimmed through the thread, I’m seeing some well constructed posts from him so that’s good. I’m also gonna scroll through some previous games and get a better idea of his meta myself, because epona (and whoever else talked about it) could likely have a decent point.
On a completely separate note, Ronishy is probably my greatest TL at the moment. I’m honestly really uncertain of most other people’s motives now.
I get how my response to epona’s post can be seen as pretty sheepish. I just felt the need to reply to her even if most of what I said was super similar to endless, I still stand by what I said. (Most of that post could’ve probably been omitted since endless’s was so similar but I just really wanted to drive that point home.) I still brought up some unique points but yeah I understand the backlash. Ultimately, I wanted to put in a decent response to epona because the dialouge was between us two in the first place.
But reading through the thread up to now makes me scumlean Antonio less. I’ve been liking his posts more this D2. Even though I only skimmed through the thread, I’m seeing some well constructed posts from him so that’s good. I’m also gonna scroll through some previous games and get a better idea of his meta myself, because epona (and whoever else talked about it) could likely have a decent point.
On a completely separate note, Ronishy is probably my greatest TL at the moment. I’m honestly really uncertain of most other people’s motives now.
After thinking for a while, I’m gonna go ahead and say I have a very slight scum lean on Ronishy. They seem to be active in the game but haven’t said anything very original throughout their several posts. I get the impression that they are playing cautiously and waiting before saying anything that would jeopardize their appearance. I’m getting sort of sheepy vibes from their posts:
(Everyone disagrees with the rng lynch, so safe bet)
(Agreeing with endless and calling for “serious questions,” when he hasn’t offered any himself)
With the exception of calling out Ace, nothing has been too significant at all. But I guess the Ace’s mood/attitude thing is a fair enough point. I have no familiarity with his play style so I honestly can’t say for sure. Either way, I don’t think this matter is of any particular importance (but I could be wrong). The only thing that has me second guessing is the fact that Ronishy is a very new player, and could just be acting like a timid townie. If he really is scum, then I don’t know how the other two might instruct him to act. Or if his responses are limited in substance because scum are not yet sure how to approach this game. Take this with a grain of salt though, your guesses are probably as good as mine right now.
I was gonna vote for Ronishy but I expected that after my post, if they are scum, someone (another scum) would come to their defense or excuse their behavior due to being an inexperienced beginner. That didn’t happen though, so now I’m thinking they really might just be a newbie townie. Gosh, now I have no clue.
I feel like this explains my reasoning well enough. Nothing has really changed and I’m still getting newbie vibes from him. Also sorry for replying slow I’m on mobile and in the car rn
I went back and read through again, here's my thoughts:
There were a few things Antionio said were red flags for me: One the whole voting off an inactive/let Rng decide. To me that just seemed like an excuse to make an uneducated guess and hit town under the guise of not being sure.
2. I'll have to dig a bit, but several times they have mentioned how they would play if they were maf this time, or how he wouldn't post certain in certain ways if he was maf. That feels like a weird thing to bring up several times.
Epona kind of raises some red flags for defending Antonio so hard, but I scumread her last game and was wrong so
Guav@ is chaotic neutral for me atm. Them not voting is an anti-town and anti-maf behavior to me, if that makes sense? Anti-town because not voting doesn't help contribute anything to getting info on othe rplayers. They didn't want to lynch an inactive, which to be fair, wouldn't have been a good choice but not voting at all isn't either.
But at the same time, maf not using the opportunity to vote someone out for two kills that day/night would be dumb unless who they wanted to kill was already up for lynch by plurality.
glow was the first one to bring up dedenne for being hesitant to post much information, but not too much was going on and they actually revived the thread a few times. And dedenne flipped town at the lynch...
Mog and Amazon are leaning town because I feel like their teammates would have taken initiative to make them post more. Unless literally no one could get ahold of them, I don't feel like maf (or even Geoni) would have let them go silent without posting. I was under the impression that inactivity would lead to mod killing and replacements, but that was not the case.
I feel like this explains my reasoning well enough. Nothing has really changed and I’m still getting newbie vibes from him. Also sorry for replying slow I’m on mobile and in the car rn
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Sorry I thought that post covered it all? What else do you want me to respond to exactly
Ah, I see where you are coming from and I remember you saying that.
TBH, I'm not sure if that's a good reasoning to make some your highest TL. Maybe because it's a hypothetical situation based on what you think mafia would do in that situation compared to the endless possibilities that could happen regarding said situation. For instance, mafia could discuss it in their group chat instead of the game itself and then don't call it out in thread and used that to gather Town cred on that person to prevent them from dying by pointing out how mafia didn't call them out later on, etc.
OFC, that's a hypothetical situation and don't mean anything.
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We should be basing our reads on behavior, reactions, and motive instead of hypothetical situations.
Ah, I see where you are coming from and I remember you saying that.
TBH, I'm not sure if that's a good reasoning to make some your highest TL. Maybe because it's a hypothetical situation based on what you think mafia would do in that situation compared to the endless possibilities that could happen regarding said situation. For instance, mafia could discuss it in their group chat instead of the game itself and then don't call it out in thread and used that to gather Town cred on that person to prevent them from dying by pointing out how mafia didn't call them out later on, etc.
OFC, that's a hypothetical situation and don't mean anything.
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We should be basing our reads on behavior, reactions, and motive instead of hypothetical situations.
Good point. Ronishy is one of my best TLs now but that doesn’t mean I’m particularly confident in it. I honestly just don’t trust anybody else more. I still have a ton of posts to analyze but I’m tired and about to go sleep so I’ll start with that tomorrow. (Btw I feel like your hypothetical situation would be a little too risky for mafia to pull off but it is a possibility... but that’s not really worth arguing about lol)
i didn't make a statement nor care about people memeing; the purpose of my question was to understand what kat was saying because it didn't make any sense to me. fwiw it still doesn't but i moved on.
not necessarily AI, but they just seemed afraid to post. which was true. personally, it doesn't make sense to be afraid to post as town. but clearly it was due to other reasons -- my premise was right but my conclusion was wrong s0oo0o0o
addressed the voting thing earlier already; i am really struggling with the whole 24hr days thing and definitely WILL NOT join another setup with this schedule cos 16 out of those 24 hours i'm either working or sleeping
as for why i said rosh was towny, it was just the wording of their posts. some (i.e. the one i quoted) are so out there as far as logical claims, i just don't think mafia think out loud like that. in other words, i don't think mafia would posture in thread stating that "mafia is not defending them in order to confuse town", it's just one of those out of left field statements that i don't think mafia would manufacture.
This started to feel like a rosh read explanation and then led into an cover up to a situation no one was thinking. Like, no one was implying that mafia would do that so why did you imply they wouldn't? I don't see how that's relevant to the first sentence in the quote?
If anything, it sounds like a cover up to the hypothetical situation I propose before I even came to read your post.
OH god, what if the mafia team is Glow/Ron/Tensu.
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I also don't feel like I should be asking you guys to elaborate on your reads, like you should be doing that yourselves right away.
I am also still sus on Glow due to meta comparison as previously quoted, the hours long delay of an explanation regarding early day opinions, and the implications that mafia wouldn't do anything in a situation no one implying.
It also feels like Glow and Tensu are on the same page and are coming to the defense of Ron.
I'll be ISO Ron and Tensu tomorrow and I'll see if my above thought holds up.
i mean.. i also read that line from dedenne, i went through most or all dedennes posts. i'm not sure why that would read as town either?
to me it felt like they were annotating their entrances / exits which always reads as stilted to me. personally the more i have to read the more tiresome it gets so i don't know quite get why that would bring on disappointment anyway
The point essentially is that your push essentially had 2 points: 1) hesitancy which you seem to admit "doesn't say much about their alignment". (Only trying to read between the lines here. Since you've failed to clarify in earlier posts - do correct me if hesitancy was actually a driving force behind your eventual vote. I hate putting words in people's mouths.)
2) That them announcing their re-entrance into the thread "seemed strange to say" since you thought "there / was / stuff going, it was just minimal" . Which epona immediately pointed out was a natural follow up to a previous post of theirs - and therefore was perfectly reasonable. (I.e. there was nothing going on in comparison with the expectation that dedenne outlined before going to bed.)
To me, this looks like your post, in full, was more or less nullified. Now in this latest post that I just quoted you mention that "their annotating of their entry and exits seems stilted". This is a point that you haven't brought up even when you were questioned on it at the start of day 2 - would it be accurate to say that this is you placed your vote day 1 but never mentioned it? Or is this a retrospective "even with my other points countered I still think this was scummy".
my thoughts on dedenne / eponas response / dedennes response were all like four hours prior to day end, dedenne responded to me relatively fast but epona replied defending dedenne almost immediately. (at which point i was reading)
then i fell asleep and woke up to vote like 30 mins (?) or so before day end, i vaguely skimmed the thread but didn't read much at that point and hadn't changed my mind so yep. i voted.
So more or less you wanted to see how dedenne responded in the following 30 minutes - hour after your post, and epona kinda took the wind out of that sail.
This is absolutely reasonable, thanks for clarifying.
Regardless, really struggling to put myself in your head atm, and I will be placing my vote on you.
Reads post coming when I have time.
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EBWOP: This is why you placed your vote day 1 but never mentioned it*
epona - Was a huge fan of their defense for dedenne day 1, hated their CFD off Antonio onto dedenne, but like a lot of her day 2 content. guav@ - Liked her reaction to my call for her to post more content day 1. Very little game related content though, so genuinely would like to see a little more here - tr here is v weak. Ronishy - Honestly liked their intitial push on Ace day 1, and felt like their reaction to being lynched was a slight positive in their direction.
That being said, I would like more content from Ronishy, as they've more or less dropped off the map. Arstotzkan - Aerious is pushing Kat primarily off volt's push on her before death and her statement that she "didn't really think dedenne was mafia" but voted her anyway. Which I took more as "I don't have any real reads but I guess this is the best option" - but I can understand where Aerious is coming from. Regardless, I don't really have a strong read here. MyLifeIsCake - No strong read here, I'm hoping for more posts like their last post, as that sort of post that shares opinions is key to work off later. Amazonevan19 - content so far is fine, but I don't have any real impressions from it. Glad you're finally posting. Aerious - wanted to vote the inactives day 1, which is braindead and much less than I'd expect from a player of Aerious's competency, but also Aerious claimed d1 as town last game which is equally dumb and unhelpful to town. So honestly I don't read into this whatsoever.
Day 2 content is fine but nothing to write home about.
(Just saying it how it is, don't hate me. <3) mogyay - Anyone with a read on mog off the content I just ISO'd is either a magician or reading too much into nothing. Tensu - Tensu has received some heat for more or less following my opinions in 2 cases now, but he does have a slather of his own unique reads so I'm not putting as much stock in that.
That being said, it is extremely interesting that his initial scumread on ronishy was based on ronishy not "offering anything himself" when Tensu has been following a fair few reads himself.
In Tensu's defense though, that wasn't a very long-lived scumread and perhaps he was trying to milk a rock for some form of content. Ace Marvel - Posts more or less read off/weird to me, and there's next to no content from this direction. Not a strong read, but a read nonetheless. Antonio - a little conflicted here. I absolutely hate his day 1 content, almost in its entirety. That being said, his day 2 content so far has been absolutely fine, and is primarily directed at my main scumread. Don't know how to resolve this atm, will figure this out later. glow - voted dedenne off day 1 primarily for reasoning that (I believe) was soundly defended. Her responses feel weirdly 1-line-y and keep not exactly answering the questions that I (and other people) have been asking.
She's also made a bunch of statements she hasn't yet explained, but I don't think that's points against her - I don't think glow would make comments (even as mafia) that she didn't have a reason behind, so I'll patiently wait for the reasoning on those posts.
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EBWOP: Feel like this is kinda obvious but █ = town
█ = null █ = weak scumread █ = scumread
Aerious - wanted to vote the inactives day 1, which is braindead and much less than I'd expect from a player of Aerious's competency, but also Aerious claimed d1 as town last game which is equally dumb and unhelpful to town. So honestly I don't read into this whatsoever.
Day 2 content is fine but nothing to write home about.
(Just saying it how it is, don't hate me. <3)
