Mafia [GAME THREAD] Karen Mafia (Endgame - Mafia Wins)

epona - Was a huge fan of their defense for dedenne day 1, hated their CFD off Antonio onto dedenne, but like a lot of her day 2 content.
guav@ - Liked her reaction to my call for her to post more content day 1. Very little game related content though, so genuinely would like to see a little more here - tr here is v weak.
Ronishy - Honestly liked their intitial push on Ace day 1, and felt like their reaction to being lynched was a slight positive in their direction.
That being said, I would like more content from Ronishy, as they've more or less dropped off the map.
Arstotzkan - Aerious is pushing Kat primarily off volt's push on her before death and her statement that she "didn't really think dedenne was mafia" but voted her anyway. Which I took more as "I don't have any real reads but I guess this is the best option" - but I can understand where Aerious is coming from. Regardless, I don't really have a strong read here.
MyLifeIsCake - No strong read here, I'm hoping for more posts like their last post, as that sort of post that shares opinions is key to work off later.
Amazonevan19 - content so far is fine, but I don't have any real impressions from it. Glad you're finally posting.
mogyay - Anyone with a read on mog off the content I just ISO'd is either a magician or reading too much into nothing.
Tensu - Tensu has received some heat for more or less following my opinions in 2 cases now, but he does have a slather of his own unique reads so I'm not putting as much stock in that.
That being said, it is extremely interesting that his initial scumread on ronishy was based on ronishy not "offering anything himself" when Tensu has been following a fair few reads himself.
In Tensu's defense though, that wasn't a very long-lived scumread and perhaps he was trying to milk a rock for some form of content.
Ace Marvel - Posts more or less read off/weird to me, and there's next to no content from this direction. Not a strong read, but a read nonetheless.
strong disagree on arstotzkan -- they had a scumlean. it was me. they didn't vote for me. if you understand my points, why dodge this one? she flat out admitted to leaning me

I'm down for an Aerious CFD but I think thats it
Honestly I'm leaning Aerious right now, just because I feel like it's opportunistic to say let's lynch an inactive. They seem like a good player who should know better.

but this is the exact same thing that you mention, despite me repeating exactly why i tried to avert the game away from everyone claiming they aren't sure and others suggesting rng votes 🤔

not understanding how ace is weak scumread and mog isn't, with arguably less content than tensu/evan. i also don't grasp the townlean on ronishy and guava when really they haven't contributed much either.

epona shifted onto dedenne to save antonio, but believed both were town

i hate this can we CFD someone who isn't one of these two or someone with 4 posts LOL
NO I DON'T
i think i prefer a dedenne lynch over antonio but i'm pretty sure both of these wagons are town

glow i can't say for certain, but i genuinely do not believe glow is maf this game. settling for the option of two people is straight up false dichotomy, glow pointed what epona did (see above) out. there's been weak participation, but i find it incredibly hard to believe that maf would lead an elim on dedenne d1 to draw attention to themselves when everyone was running around like chickens w/ their head cut off. it's easy to be opportunistic during that and join in
 
FYI quick musings from yesterday and quick read this morning. Detailed one will come later.
Epona--In the last game I Sr epona but she turned out town. Im finding her difficult to read.
Ace-Where are you? We need you to Karen on giving your insight.
Tensu- my thoughts from last night were you need to come out of endless's shadow as I got picked for the same thing. I need to iso you soon.
Aerious vs kat is heating up.
Antonio- after day 1, I gave you the benefit of doubt but from now on I will be more critical on you.
Evan- your first post started with a joke? It's not a good way to make an entry. Not sure how believable is that you forgot as this is a serious game with time commitments. I would say beware of reading reports as you might be influenced by their view of events.
 
@epona why did you swap last min if you thought she was town?


and why vote for dedenne if she was null to you? why "be fine" with that? why not try to weed out scum? why advocate killing a townie for ONE tl?
i've explained this a thousand times and it's kind of annoying that you've missed it but you've kept going on about it multiple times while i was asleep so allow me to direct you to my response to glow:

i've explained it and cannot explain it further
my vote on ronishy was doing nothing, antonio was set to be lynched, i felt stronger about antonio being town than i did about dedenne so i changed my vote to save antonio

if you don't like it that's fine but i really can't elaborate on it further
i think it's the arguments she's putting forth. she's kinda focusing on inconsquential details? notably the back n forth about "strong players" re: volt/endless. it just felt weird?? prompted??? idk dude but just wanted to note that

girl where was the back and forth? i replied to one post about that saying i disagreed with the 'kill strong players' angle. there were no further posts about it from me
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also i just woke up but from reading through i'm definitely more convinced by the kat case than the glow case. i just don't really see why scum!glow would bring up a weak, easily-shot down case on dedenne as the very first substantial case of the game when she could have just rode it out and waited for someone else to bring something to the table. that said, she did make a caveat post:

day is too short tbh :(

i think i know mafia but like if i case them it'll be a total of two sentences long ^_^

and these kind of posts always really grate me because i'm like just say it with your chest
but i guess it also comes across as just thinking out loud which usually comes from a town perspective
 
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did endless just say he's voting me cos i voted town and "haven't been responding to questions exactly"

lol ngl i expected like... more... if he's trying to mislynch me... make it fun ^_^
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anywho

endless is definitely playing this sr of me weirdly and i'm not sure what that means

i would like to hear more from kat, i kinda took her out of my townreads bc i dunno how compatible they all are with each other so yep

i'm gonna b voting Evan because his thread entrance was clunky and it doesn't seem reasonable to me that he has three scumreads when uhhhh ive been here the whole game and i find it incredibly difficult to narrow teams as this point

also he should have been mod killed??? or did i miss something.
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ugh it just bothers me that he hasn't read like, you signed up for the time commitment to the game which has been INCREDIBLY slow compared to others (where d1 can be 80-100 pages) and you missed an entire phase so the least you could do is catch up i don't even care as much about what you contribute but i don't think town benefits anything from having someone who's reliant upon a summary of d1 to formulate reads
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I also like to mention that glow didn't fill out the reqs.

i never fill these out lmao..
 
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Sorry I got caught up with the fair event, but I'm here.
Endless you are super close of becoming the next target of SPAAM, yes we have nothing going on in the sense that we are repairing ourselves, but your arguments against me are the same over and over, no matter what I do, but is okay, I always encourage people to try.

About glow, for me it made sense at the time, and like I said I don't regret my vote, the only thing that is strange is that I set the first vote, but glow explained napping. So no biggie there. For once in my life I'm not reading glow as scum, so I really don't want to go there.
 
i feel like endless centering his scumread off me around me mislynching dedenne and townreading epona for defending dedenne is so weak

which... i just.... huh
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**on
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Evan- your first post started with a joke? It's not a good way to make an entry. Not sure how believable is that you forgot as this is a serious game with time commitments. I would say beware of reading reports as you might be influenced by their view of events.

i didn't even read this before my posts on evan but i vibe so hard w it
 
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Seriously please don't take this the wrong way Endless, but everyone is saying why Volt and not Endless as N1 kill, well, I feel your reads atm are a little weak, specially in glow that you are voting for, so maybe there is a reason you are still alive, and I'm mentioning this because this game is a mix of new and old players, so yeah meta is good, but not everyone have it, because of that I will be trying to not used meta as my strongest argument, because it won't take us anywhere.

Also brings up my next topic, I don't do walls and super insightful reads, that is Epona's work, this is your first game with me, so is understandable that you don't know my playstyle, but the only reason I'm saying al of this is because I still can scum lean you, and I want to see if you can brought up a stronger argument, because right now, I'm not even close of wanting to vote glow off, Antonio is saying there is a lack of solving on glow's part, but for me this is the same glow I have played with before, so that meta is non existent.

And again I apologize if this comes up as rude, never my intention.
 
I'm not even close of wanting to vote glow off, Antonio is saying there is a lack of solving on glow's part, but for me this is the same glow I have played with before, so that meta is non existent.
I have quoted glow's post from another game in the the thread so please tell me how the meta is not existent.
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I mean, look at these day 1 posts from a previous game where glow was Town.

These feel like the town motivated glow that I remember. None of your posts in this game fits the vibe coming off of these.
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Just look at how much you contribute that early on in that game compared to all your posts this game. The differences is notable.
I mean, the difference is hugely noticeable.
 
To Antonio "This started to feel like a rosh read explanation and then led into an cover up to a situation no one was thinking. Like, no one was implying that mafia would do that so why did you imply they wouldn't? I don't see how that's relevant to the first sentence in the quote?"
Your quote to glow. I see nothing wrong with it, she is explaining it more clearly.
Me, Tensu and glow lol. I wouldn't say they were coming to my defense, they are giving their reason for tr me.

The scum team links are weak at the moment Antonio. Im looking into who is trying to get into my good books. Me and glow might be on a similar wavelength, but I will go after if she slips up.

Tensu- I was SL by you at the beginning to a firm Tl, wow I have improved in your eyes.

Aerious--good point on glow, but she had a good point on Evan.

u had 3 posts before u said u found mafia, which wound up being a townie
so... i am confused


Endless-- if endless gets hit, then we have to analyse the hell out of his reads, but if he is super maf he might be the pied Piper.
 
I have quoted glow's post from another game in the the thread so please tell me how the meta is not existent.
Because if you go to the last games we have played, Glow was town, and it's similar to this.
 
Your quote to glow. I see nothing wrong with it, she is explaining it more clearly.
Her explanation is irrelevant to the first statement. I don't see how that fits, it's implying something that wasn't implied before.
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Because if you go to the last games we have played, Glow was town, and it's similar to this.
I'll look at their posts and see for myselfm
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Last game, Glow was scum and their meta fits their meta here. @Ace Marvel

Yall keep implying that glow meta was the same like the previous game, which I agree with. What I don't agree with is that Glow was Town in that game, he was roleblocker mafia aligned.
 
Tensu- I was SL by you at the beginning to a firm Tl, wow I have improved in your eyes.

Well tbf my post sussing you D1 was more of a reaction test than an actual firm scum lean and I feel like it served it’s purpose. And also your posts have been way better lately imo so that too
 
so i'm leery for.. sheeping........?
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so ur leery of me for***

No, I wasn’t clear in my subjects there, sorry. The sheeping comment was in reference to ronishy.
 
honestly i find it really interesting that you've been around for maybe like three pages total and have a scumteam lineup LOL
I may have only been here since D2 started but that doesn’t mean I can’t give opinions at all. Rn those three are pinging me the most. Guav@ too now that I think of it. Just due to how much they piggyback you/@like your posts for little reason
 
epona - Was a huge fan of their defense for dedenne day 1, hated their CFD off Antonio onto dedenne, but like a lot of her day 2 content.
guav@ - Liked her reaction to my call for her to post more content day 1. Very little game related content though, so genuinely would like to see a little more here - tr here is v weak.
Ronishy - Honestly liked their intitial push on Ace day 1, and felt like their reaction to being lynched was a slight positive in their direction.
That being said, I would like more content from Ronishy, as they've more or less dropped off the map.
Arstotzkan - Aerious is pushing Kat primarily off volt's push on her before death and her statement that she "didn't really think dedenne was mafia" but voted her anyway. Which I took more as "I don't have any real reads but I guess this is the best option" - but I can understand where Aerious is coming from. Regardless, I don't really have a strong read here.
MyLifeIsCake - No strong read here, I'm hoping for more posts like their last post, as that sort of post that shares opinions is key to work off later.
Amazonevan19 - content so far is fine, but I don't have any real impressions from it. Glad you're finally posting.
Aerious - wanted to vote the inactives day 1, which is braindead and much less than I'd expect from a player of Aerious's competency, but also Aerious claimed d1 as town last game which is equally dumb and unhelpful to town. So honestly I don't read into this whatsoever.
Day 2 content is fine but nothing to write home about.
(Just saying it how it is, don't hate me. <3)
mogyay - Anyone with a read on mog off the content I just ISO'd is either a magician or reading too much into nothing.
Tensu - Tensu has received some heat for more or less following my opinions in 2 cases now, but he does have a slather of his own unique reads so I'm not putting as much stock in that.
That being said, it is extremely interesting that his initial scumread on ronishy was based on ronishy not "offering anything himself" when Tensu has been following a fair few reads himself.
In Tensu's defense though, that wasn't a very long-lived scumread and perhaps he was trying to milk a rock for some form of content.
Ace Marvel - Posts more or less read off/weird to me, and there's next to no content from this direction. Not a strong read, but a read nonetheless.
Antonio - a little conflicted here. I absolutely hate his day 1 content, almost in its entirety. That being said, his day 2 content so far has been absolutely fine, and is primarily directed at my main scumread. Don't know how to resolve this atm, will figure this out later.
glow - voted dedenne off day 1 primarily for reasoning that (I believe) was soundly defended. Her responses feel weirdly 1-line-y and keep not exactly answering the questions that I (and other people) have been asking.
She's also made a bunch of statements she hasn't yet explained, but I don't think that's points against her - I don't think glow would make comments (even as mafia) that she didn't have a reason behind, so I'll patiently wait for the reasoning on those posts.
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EBWOP: Feel like this is kinda obvious but
= town
█ = null
= weak scumread
= scumread
tbh im kind of put off by this.

i want to believe endless is town but it rlly just doesn't make sense. he's had some of the most detailed posts re: game reads/game in general and he's town reading me and epona (who i sus on gut reasons more than anything else) and scumread antonio who legit doesn't appear scummy to me, just a bit erratic if anything.

if i were maf i would've immediately taken this dude out so i'm like.. hunny why r u still here??? r u scum??

I may have only been here since D2 started but that doesn’t mean I can’t give opinions at all. Rn those three are pinging me the most. Guav@ too now that I think of it. Just due to how much they piggyback you/@like your posts for little reason
i just like posts baby.

i've always said don't read into my likes bcos they literally are me liking the post detached from gameplay. they're meaningless and if u wanna sr me for that go ahead but look @ any of my mafia games and i'm liking **** up and down. i've actually had to tone it down bcos everyone loves reading way too deep into it.
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Seriously please don't take this the wrong way Endless, but everyone is saying why Volt and not Endless as N1 kill, well, I feel your reads atm are a little weak, specially in glow that you are voting for, so maybe there is a reason you are still alive, and I'm mentioning this because this game is a mix of new and old players, so yeah meta is good, but not everyone have it, because of that I will be trying to not used meta as my strongest argument, because it won't take us anywhere.

hi do u have any ideas for why scum would want to keep him around if he rlly is town?
 
epona - Was a huge fan of their defense for dedenne day 1, hated their CFD off Antonio onto dedenne, but like a lot of her day 2 content.
guav@ - Liked her reaction to my call for her to post more content day 1. Very little game related content though, so genuinely would like to see a little more here - tr here is v weak.
Ronishy - Honestly liked their intitial push on Ace day 1, and felt like their reaction to being lynched was a slight positive in their direction.
That being said, I would like more content from Ronishy, as they've more or less dropped off the map.
Arstotzkan - Aerious is pushing Kat primarily off volt's push on her before death and her statement that she "didn't really think dedenne was mafia" but voted her anyway. Which I took more as "I don't have any real reads but I guess this is the best option" - but I can understand where Aerious is coming from. Regardless, I don't really have a strong read here.
MyLifeIsCake - No strong read here, I'm hoping for more posts like their last post, as that sort of post that shares opinions is key to work off later.
Amazonevan19 - content so far is fine, but I don't have any real impressions from it. Glad you're finally posting.
Aerious - wanted to vote the inactives day 1, which is braindead and much less than I'd expect from a player of Aerious's competency, but also Aerious claimed d1 as town last game which is equally dumb and unhelpful to town. So honestly I don't read into this whatsoever.
Day 2 content is fine but nothing to write home about.
(Just saying it how it is, don't hate me. <3)
mogyay - Anyone with a read on mog off the content I just ISO'd is either a magician or reading too much into nothing.
Tensu - Tensu has received some heat for more or less following my opinions in 2 cases now, but he does have a slather of his own unique reads so I'm not putting as much stock in that.
That being said, it is extremely interesting that his initial scumread on ronishy was based on ronishy not "offering anything himself" when Tensu has been following a fair few reads himself.
In Tensu's defense though, that wasn't a very long-lived scumread and perhaps he was trying to milk a rock for some form of content.
Ace Marvel - Posts more or less read off/weird to me, and there's next to no content from this direction. Not a strong read, but a read nonetheless.
Antonio - a little conflicted here. I absolutely hate his day 1 content, almost in its entirety. That being said, his day 2 content so far has been absolutely fine, and is primarily directed at my main scumread. Don't know how to resolve this atm, will figure this out later.
glow - voted dedenne off day 1 primarily for reasoning that (I believe) was soundly defended. Her responses feel weirdly 1-line-y and keep not exactly answering the questions that I (and other people) have been asking.
She's also made a bunch of statements she hasn't yet explained, but I don't think that's points against her - I don't think glow would make comments (even as mafia) that she didn't have a reason behind, so I'll patiently wait for the reasoning on those posts.
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EBWOP: Feel like this is kinda obvious but
= town
█ = null
= weak scumread
= scumread

I like some of the points Endless made here but I have a real big issue with their glow read. Even though we share the opinion that glow is likely scum, Endless’s reasons read almost like she should be put in nulls. Like cover up the red glow part and read the paragraph he wrote - would you have assumed that was a scum read? I wouldn’t have and that’s a problem. It feels like this read is hedging a lot

This doesn’t mean I think endless is scum now too but I am reevaluating because some of these reads very much rub me the wrong way
 
Glow was maf in last game
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You are right, that game is too chaotic to count, I was thinking of the Shawo game (miller) and the other one before that.
 
Evan- your first post started with a joke? It's not a good way to make an entry. Not sure how believable is that you forgot as this is a serious game with time commitments. I would say beware of reading reports as you might be influenced by their view of events.

Don't like to ***** about irl but here goes.

Dad invited me here over discord and I’ve generally eschewed mafia games for a long time now for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that I work full time now + OT so I don’t generally have much time to actually *be* here. With my weekend stacked (including celebrating my IRL dad’s birthday) I simply forgot I signed up. But now I’m attempting to make an effort here best I can. Be gentle with me :(

Also I like to meme post a decent bit as anyone who’s played with me can attest to
 
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