Mafia [GAME THREAD] Karen Mafia (Endgame - Mafia Wins)

[glow]

oh wait geoni edited it my tab refreshed and it's diff

There’s scum between guava/tensu definitely, idk about them being teamed but guavas unexplained vote on tensu yesterday reads a bit like tensu looking like he was gonna he the lynch and guava panic bussing

idk about this cos you/aerious were the only tensu votes

there wasn't much indication for where radicals vote was going?

i unvoted evan and expressed discomfort so i was in the air

but guava voting tensu actually gave power to radical/me to lynch tensu

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not saying that doesn't mean they *can't* be teamed but what you were describing was

"guava voted tensu because she thought they'd get lynched"

but fmpov the lynch couldn't go through without guavas vote.

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I'm just saying, he would be more self-preservating if he was Town

disagree because town is more like "oh well sorry it's an ML" but for mafia it makes their wincon harder to reach and a mafia flip provides town a ton of information

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Antonio's entrance also reads like he was trying to add in more context to his evan vote after the fact.

its just odd how Antonio's conclusion with Evan worked because it was so non- interactive.

when endless asked me about my unvote and i tried to explain why, Antonio began to disagree with those reasons rather than speak to evan directly.

i don't really get it

 

[g u a v a]

I'm just saying, he would be more self-preservating if he was Town. He could've linked those games where he scummed read himself instead
My unfinished EOD opinion on Evan before the thread got locked, cri.

Anyways, I just woke up and there are people already voting and attempting to starts wagon? Fr, it's not even 1/3 of the game in yet.

I need time to wake up so I'll be back in a hour or so.

tbf this time i actually had to vote this early. i’m not sure if i will have internet service in the next couple days so i needed to at least cast something in.

ace is different, and it’s to a point where it’s worrisome.... unsure if scum or just busy or something.

atm feeling like scum team is aerious/endless + someone else.

it’s just been such a.... nicely orchestrated game for mafia so it’s likely members of maf have decent experience

 

[Antonio]

disagree because town is more like "oh well sorry it's an ML" but for mafia it makes their wincon harder to reach and a mafia flip provides town a ton of information

"oh well sorry it's a ml" on day 3, wtf. Town shouldn't just ****ing give up that late into this game, they should be fighting to survive.

 

[Aerious]

tbf this time i actually had to vote this early. i’m not sure if i will have internet service in the next couple days so i needed to at least cast something in.

ace is different, and it’s to a point where it’s worrisome.... unsure if scum or just busy or something.

atm feeling like scum team is aerious/endless + someone else.

it’s just been such a.... nicely orchestrated game for mafia so it’s likely members of maf have decent experience

so by your own standards, glow and epona are up as scum members too

it's mindboggling that you believe i'd ride so hard to protect a scum team member, girl i play for myself regardless of alignment. if ur town idk what to say here

 

[g u a v a]

so by your own standards, glow and epona are up as scum members too

it's mindboggling that you believe i'd ride so hard to protect a scum team member, girl i play for myself regardless of alignment. if ur town idk what to say here

isn’t the bolded part anti town tho?

 

[Aerious]

isn’t the bolded part anti town tho?

no? i’m still playing to my win con, i just don’t care to protect people that i think are scum/don’t care to sacrifice myself for anyone/won’t vote for people i think are town

but also.. ur entire playstyle is anti town so idk why u wanna focus on that and ignore everything else i said

 

[g u a v a]

no? i’m still playing to my win con, i just don’t care to protect people that i think are scum/don’t care to sacrifice myself for anyone/won’t vote for people i think are town

but also.. ur entire playstyle is anti town so idk why u wanna focus on that and ignore everything else i said

hardly anti town i’m just a bad mafia player tbh !!!!

i’m scratching my noggin but srsly until last day i finally started to get some leads but nobody likes them so uwu just elim me, i will b gone until sat anyway.

 

[Aerious]

hardly anti town i’m just a bad mafia player tbh !!!!

i’m scratching my noggin but srsly until last day i finally started to get some leads but nobody likes them so uwu just elim me, i will b gone until sat anyway.

ur not a bad mafia player, i just think ur chaotic and it’s hard to deduce alignment based on that, which in turn allows mafia to start an easy wagon on you. so it’s hard to tell if wagons on you are from a town or mafia perspective

 

[g u a v a]

ur not a bad mafia player, i just think ur chaotic and it’s hard to deduce alignment based on that, which in turn allows mafia to start an easy wagon on you. so it’s hard to tell if wagons on you are from a town or mafia perspective

so then if you know that then why are you pushing a wagon on me when you know it’s soooo easy to do???

like idgi i’ve been adamantly town and if i was mafia i wouldn’t be this DUMB. like, it’s the same set up at june maf where everyone was soooo certain i was maf but like.:. i’ve been very clear abt my playstyle being affected by the lack of PR. this **** is a shot in the dark for me but i’m ~*~*~*~*~*~TRYING*~*~*~*~^~ to help town out.

anyway realistically getting rid of rad helps bc ppl have claimed her so if she flips maf we could get some solid leads. since nobody wants to vote off endless.

 

[Aerious]

so then if you know that then why are you pushing a wagon on me when you know it’s soooo easy to do???

like idgi i’ve been adamantly town and if i was mafia i wouldn’t be this DUMB. like, it’s the same set up at june maf where everyone was soooo certain i was maf but like.:. i’ve been very clear abt my playstyle being affected by the lack of PR. this **** is a shot in the dark for me but i’m ~*~*~*~*~*~TRYING*~*~*~*~^~ to help town out.

anyway realistically getting rid of rad helps bc ppl have claimed her so if she flips maf we could get some solid leads. since nobody wants to vote off endless.

i’m not starting a wagon on you tho. i think ace/tensu/glow are my top 3 for today bc at least one of the maf is coasting on wagons to stay inconspicuous

rad hasn’t provided any info and most leans on her are null, so i don’t think it’d provide any info atm getting rid of her

our best bet as town is to try to hit a maf player today or else tomorrow is mylo (i think coz math)

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that evan wagon was way too convenient though bc of that joke at the end, which makes me think glow/endless may not be maf

tensu voted to save himself. ace voted because...?

 

[glow]

let's all recall antonio saying he voting BECAUSE the joke

 

[Aerious]

let's all recall antonio saying he voting BECAUSE the joke

this too. joke caused eod confusion, which is the same exact thing antonio did w rng 2.0 on day 1, but voted for evan bc of it
?

 

[glow]

"oh well sorry it's a ml" on day 3, wtf. Town shouldn't just ****ing give up that late into this game, they should be fighting to survive.

it's a genuine sentiment, i realise the "oh well" makes it sound like a sarcastic thing oops.

not trying to say anything bad to those who don't fight against MLs. it's just kind of a pattern that the ML'd town usually just feels sorry and typically like that it's not the end of the world if they die

 

[Antonio]

this too. joke caused eod confusion, which is the same exact thing antonio did w rng 2.0 on day 1, but voted for evan bc of it
?

Honey, it was hard to believe it was a joke when there was no proof that it was a joke besides his own words. He didn't bother providing proof when claiming that he had proof from another site when I asked for it nor did he actively fight against his own lynch.

 

[Ace Marvel]

you didn’t explain why you thought people were town and you haven’t iso’s posts

To start here are some post and train go tough I find consistent between glow and glow's action, someone I've been calling town since D1.
Antonio's approach of town glow would put more effort, seemed flawed from the start and only reinforced my town read here. So far I still believe this and I don't see glow as scum.

Spoiler: Glow

(it's dedenne)

mostly because all their posts seem to express varying degrees of hesitancy. it comes across as though they don't want to say anything controversial and then i think the "oh no there isn't much to read after i was gone" seemed kinda strange to say when i think there / was / stuff going on it was just minimal, i don't see how that sort of commentary rly helps anything and it seems more like an obvious statement than a sentiment that came out of disappointment or w/e

~good morning~

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a very towny post, i feel like ronishy has had pretty solid posts and idk why they were a lynching candidate tbh

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hi, i was taking a nap and didn't want to die for not voting ^_^

is this the 'rebuttal' everyone was asking me to respond to. i don't really know what i'm supposed to respond to here. like the first point is really the only point that was made in defense of dedenne, and whether or not someone is hesitant about feeling rusty doesn't say anything about their alignment?? like how does that mean they're town in either scenario.

i mean, i'm biased because i've never liked the devil's advocate type of posts, they always come off as chainsaw-y. like pls just let me push on the person i was pushing on because the more pressure they feel the better.

as for if i actually think epona was chainsawing, nah idk at this point because i think dedenne's reply to me (specifically the "nervous about getting mislynched" part was not that bad. i mean it wasn't enough to like, 180 my opinion but i could see how if you're uncertain about dedenne, it could make you townread/lean them.



(this was the first thing epona said after dedenne's reply)

RE: glow meta: tbh i purposefully am not consistent with posting frequency/style/effort for the reason that i don't want to have a "high effort = town" thing ever again; though the frequency bit is more just based off of how much free time i have

i feel like 99% of my posts this phase have been responses to SRs on me, which isn't really my thing, but anyway.



i didn't make a statement nor care about people memeing; the purpose of my question was to understand what kat was saying because it didn't make any sense to me. fwiw it still doesn't but i moved on.



because post frequency

but yes reactions are the point.



not necessarily AI, but they just seemed afraid to post. which was true. personally, it doesn't make sense to be afraid to post as town. but clearly it was due to other reasons -- my premise was right but my conclusion was wrong s0oo0o0o



addressed the voting thing earlier already; i am really struggling with the whole 24hr days thing and definitely WILL NOT join another setup with this schedule cos 16 out of those 24 hours i'm either working or sleeping

as for why i said rosh was towny, it was just the wording of their posts. some (i.e. the one i quoted) are so out there as far as logical claims, i just don't think mafia think out loud like that. in other words, i don't think mafia would posture in thread stating that "mafia is not defending them in order to confuse town", it's just one of those out of left field statements that i don't think mafia would manufacture.

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confidence is key

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nah but i am willing to bet that evan has not read in full, i mean just based on what he said to endless' summary.

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also, the difference is that my conviction was based off a [true] premise and evan is just piggybacking off the names that have been in the spotlight the last ~3 pages.

yeah i don't like it when people say "gonna be busy doing X Y Z talk you you guys later/ hi guys i'm back now time to read up" but it isn't largely a mafia thing so i don't have a reason to mention it if i'm trying to give my reasoning.

there are other things i didn't like, i.e. stating she didn't fully have an understanding or something of a few posts and saying she'll have to read back on it later, but i didn't mention that specifically either cos it wasn't pertinent.

it would be more accurate to say "i read all dedennes posts, concluded that their tone felt like tentative mafia and attempted to piece together why as best i could"

i genuinely do not see how my post was nullified.

HOW is being hesitant because rusty = TOWN?

sure it doesn't necessarily mean = MAFIA as we have all come to see, but i still assert that hesitancy (from players that aren't new to the game) is not towny and mafia are more likely to play it safe with their lines or be nervous

your second point: how does the "can't wait to read later" "damn there's nothing" = TOWN?

i guess you're saying it fits in better because.... of context? so they stated their expectation earlier, therefor it makes more sense for them to be genuinely disappointed later?

if their expectation was not stated beforehand it would not matter to me. the fact that it was, does not matter to me. the sentiment was ALREADY implied by dedennes comment about nothing rly happening and expecting more

i really don't see how that makes it any better. to me it felt like they were trying to be seamless with their exit so yes it came off as stilted and didn't seem to be genuine as there was still stuff to comment on at that point regardless of the slow paced d1

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do u have three scumreads

yeah idk i just read through all of kat and i hope she comes back so she can have opportunity to reply to aerious/others but i do have a question about



this is confusing me, didn't you say you thought that was towny?

rip easy townread

ok sooo i will take deep breaths and reread in depth this afternoon

in the meantime

endless why did you wait til so close to day end to try to flip

why guava over Evan

WHY do people defend Evan

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i am gonna cry if aerious is mafia cos i locktown them :~(

to me, a case is more compiled and thorough, so while yes i wouldn't say ive made a case i would still say ive given reasons for my evan vote

summarized:

1.)
he had/has a strong agenda, by that i mean he named three people for a scumteam without reading the game in full (in contrast to others who've been around since game start, and struggle to out a handful of scumreads and especially have struggled to name "compatible" team reads of 3)

2.)
he said i was highly compatible with kat, i guess cos i townread her early on or something? but failed to define why specifically, which just felt opportunistic as multiple people had casted doubts on me or kat (you/endless/aerious/epona/etc)

3.)
only gave kat benefit of the doubt in the last five mins?

maybe because i mentioned that nobody was defending her? maybe he wanted to look indecisive? fmpov it just lacked sincerity, especially since the reason he gave was that she wasn't around to defend herself but.... she wasn't there at all during d2, why would it only matter to him at the end?

his vote timing is relevant here so yeah that needs to be looked into

//

i think guava has really good tone and reminds me of last game

i also think guava is an easy push on this player list because she's pretty meme-y, neutral toward pressure, and hasn't made any definitive assertions

well my uneasiness of you is a lot more nuanced than "endless only pushed me to see if he could lead an ML on me" but i don't think ive stated it well

fmpov you seemed more passive than i would have expected in regards to kat's lynch toward the end, you didn't speak on it too much as the day was progressing -- mostly because we were having a back and forth that lasted majority of the day phase. i don't think this [passiveness] is in-character for you because

1.)
you are usually pretty in depth as far as your commentary on the current game state/direction goes

2.)
you did / not / scumread kat (you stated that much at the time, as well as today) but you also did not object because you did not townread kat either.

this sounds like you weren't sure on kat, but the thing is i actually remember you feeding into aerious' read at one point by saying you didn't "hate the push anymore" towards the last 3-4 or so hours. (i can't remember when/if you said you hated it?)

i get you were trying to solve me and i don't think that was pointless, but i guess i would have expected you to be more assertive toward who you would have MOST wanted to be lynched sometime during the onslaught, rather than seemingly agreeing with kat's lynch half heartedly only to later find the target you would have ideally wanted to be lynched in the last few minutes

SO if you're mafia you're doing fine either way in whatever direction your push went -- pushing on me and getting me lynched would be a successful ML, and if the lynch doesn't grain traction then pushing on me and retracting it later -- as town ML'd on their own -- would demonstrate town-like fluidity and your hands would be clean from the ML, which would be a smart move

 

[Tensu]

if there’s scum between me and tensu then it’s def tensu

it’s not me sis

If y’all wanna lynch me off the excuse that I’ve been inactive and semi-useless lately that’s cool. But I pinky promise I’m a townie :3 :3 :3

 

[Antonio]

it's a genuine sentiment, i realise the "oh well" makes it sound like a sarcastic thing oops.

not trying to say anything bad to those who don't fight against MLs. it's just kind of a pattern that the ML'd town usually just feels sorry and typically like that it's not the end of the world if they die

ML's == mafia Lynches or???

I can't translate what you are implying cuz I don't know what you mean by ML.

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To start here are some post and train go tough I find consistent between glow and glow's action, someone I've been calling town since D1.
Antonio's approach of town glow would put more effort, seemed flawed from the start and only reinforced my town read here. So far I still believe this and I don't see glow as scum.

Alot of these posts happen after I called out glow for a lack of activity compared to their meta.

I don't know how that would've reinforced your TR on them at the time when I originally made my case regarding Glow when they barely had any posts at the time during day 2.

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it’s not me sis

If y’all wanna lynch me off the excuse that I’ve been inactive and semi-useless lately that’s cool. But I pinky promise I’m a townie :3 :3 :3

Could you start being useful then?

 

[Tensu]

Could you start being useful then?

not really with my current schedule lol

 

[Antonio]

I swear to god, I hate it when ppl who are town don't fight against their own lynch or are inactive. Why play the game if you aren't even going to be active.

@amazonevan19 @Arstotzkan yall cost us 2 days due to the lack of defending yourself

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not really with my current schedule lol

why did you even join the game then

 

[Aerious]

To start here are some post and train go tough I find consistent between glow and glow's action, someone I've been calling town since D1.
Antonio's approach of town glow would put more effort, seemed flawed from the start and only reinforced my town read here. So far I still believe this and I don't see glow as scum.

girl quoting doesn’t mean an iso
you don’t discuss anything pertaining to your thoughts per post. i still don’t understand ur train of thought and how that means glow = town