Mafia [GAME THREAD] Karen Mafia (Endgame - Mafia Wins)

[Aerious]

plz explain the 180 u just did on me

Your tinfoil on me at this time of the game. In comparison w/ Squeaky Clean, where you actively tried to ISO others against your scumteam/for your scumteam, you basically opted for the "lesser of two evils" to defend partners and deflect SL. This late game is a pretty stark difference that aligns with your other town games. You unsure, you tinfoiling (which typically leads to maf benefiting from it), and frustrated town POV (which is extremely understandable because this game will be a wipe unless we start sifting through and working together).

Who do you think will provide the most information if they flip maf?

I'm down to vote either Glow/Endless or Radical today. I have more sus towards Radical regarding them ignoring their own reads in order to follow a wagon. I already said my opinions on glow, and the only sus I have on Endless is him basing his sus reads on me (about being a hypocrite) from what glow said which wasn't true. He didn't even bother to question Glows "push" if that's what you call it but instead took it to heart and stated it in his reads.

Either Endless or Glow are on the same page regarding pushing me or Endless was using Glows sus statement to justify a sus read on me.

I don't agree with the reasoning on Endless, but you haven't answered my question. If someone were to die today, who would provide the most information? If your only SRs are based on nearing the end of this game, I have no idea what to say.

Guava, is not here, and we won't get anything from flipping her atm, that glow guava are not w/w, but I've been saying that almost all game.
Me, I won't vote myself.
Antonio, The RNG thing, contradiction to some arguments, and stretching some topics can be an strategy mafia, uses, he has pointed out some "slips", but when question about his actions there is not much to go after, and I have pointed this before, but that also does not means 100% scum read, so that is why Tensu is still my first choice, but if it comes to Guava/Antonio/Me I will have to vote Antonio.

What will Antonio flipping maf garner?

 

[Endless]

@Endless

do you think your scum reads are all compatible with each other

As I stated in my reads post, and re-affirmed later, guav@/Antonio are absolutely not teamed. Hence why I have (guav@/Antonio)+Tensu+epona as the position I ended up on. (Which is to say one of guav@/Antonio is mafia, and the other is town.)
I don't think any of my other reads are incompatible.

things i don't like about endless

• throughout the game he's had incompatible scumreads (admittedly). he seems to split them with an "either, or" which isn't necessarily a bad thing on its own, BUT
• he also places people based off of POE. this i don't know how to interpret, because if you're not sure within your top two scumreads, how do you also POE epona as mafia here despite having two nulls?

I thought I outlined this pretty clearly in my reads post, but let me clarify further here:
The PoE of epona being scum was pretty much directly from the night kills - I don't think the kills that have happened would've occurred if all three of you/epona/Aerious are all town. Consequently, at least one of you three is mafia. I just can't see a world where either you or Aerious are mafia at the moment, so that leaves a single person by PoE.
My townread on you is also partly based of PoE, ftr, because I can't see you as mafia with either Antonio OR guav@, and I really doubt neither are mafia. (I would not list you as town if I had even one scenario of a mafia team where you were mafia, but I don't.)

here's my thing, i need to answer how compatible with endless antonio is because to me their placement hinges on each other. i also wanted to see if i could get epona into an antonio vote which is why i kept mentioning her in my pushes, but mostly i wanted to see if endless followed up pursuit on antonio as well since he was also one of endless' main three(guava/evan/antonio) i assumed endless would see that was his most viable scumread he has since he isn't compelling anyone regarding guava

Lack of hard push on Antonio here actually more or less stems from your criticism of my reads list, funnily enough; think about it like this - if guav@ is mafia, that means that Antonio is town. If Antonio is town, I don't want to lynch him.
And I'm being a little stubborn in my stronger read being correct, so I'm not super eager to jump on the other. (But would take that lynch over, say, you, any day.)

I'm not hard pushing guav@ right now because I doubt that guav@ will be lynched - I don't have any more information to work with for guav@ than what I've already posted, and repeating myself would both clog the thread and make it seem like I thought my opinion was magically better than everyone elses - my long analytical posts are alienating enough as it is, I don't need to cause additional friction.

The reads post on this site have taken a serious "I am only examining one scenario" kind of turn to them, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I think it doesn't properly exhibit a player's full opinion on the overall situation.

 

[epona]

Your tinfoil on me at this time of the game. In comparison w/ Squeaky Clean, where you actively tried to ISO others against your scumteam/for your scumteam, you basically opted for the "lesser of two evils" to defend partners and deflect SL. This late game is a pretty stark difference that aligns with your other town games. You unsure, you tinfoiling (which typically leads to maf benefiting from it), and frustrated town POV (which is extremely understandable because this game will be a wipe unless we start sifting through and working together).

probably antonio? it would all but clear tensu and would definitely clear glow for me
m!tensu and m!endless are both too compatible with everybody so it doesn't help with team alignments. i'm flat townreading you and glow, but if glow were to flip maf i think she'd provide the most information out of anybody in the game. but i'm never going to vote for glow so that's kind of moot

m!ace doesn't really provide anything beyond not teamed with you, but i think everyone's townreading you anyway
m!guava clears endless but nothing further

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oh yeah m!antonio kind of clears guava i think

 

[Ace Marvel]

Your tinfoil on me at this time of the game. In comparison w/ Squeaky Clean, where you actively tried to ISO others against your scumteam/for your scumteam, you basically opted for the "lesser of two evils" to defend partners and deflect SL. This late game is a pretty stark difference that aligns with your other town games. You unsure, you tinfoiling (which typically leads to maf benefiting from it), and frustrated town POV (which is extremely understandable because this game will be a wipe unless we start sifting through and working together).

Who do you think will provide the most information if they flip maf?


I don't agree with the reasoning on Endless, but you haven't answered my question. If someone were to die today, who would provide the most information? If your only SRs are based on nearing the end of this game, I have no idea what to say.


What will Antonio flipping maf garner?

Idk, but based on your options, I will vote there.
What would Guava give us?
What would I give you?
Or Tensu?

This is to prevent LYLO, I don't think the first mafia kill will give us much.

 

[Antonio]

I don't agree with the reasoning on Endless, but you haven't answered my question. If someone were to die today, who would provide the most information? If your only SRs are based on nearing the end of this game, I have no idea what to say.

it's not based on near the EOD, it's based on him considering a read that lack merit. Either that means he is copying glow or they are on the same page.

Regarding your question, voting off Glow would most likely give me the most information regarding my current opinions. However, this isn't about me so in general, I'm not sure. I'm not voting off somebody that I don't believe is scum and we literally have 2 votes left so we should be aiming to vote off someone we all think is scum rather than who will give us the most information.

 

[Aerious]

probably antonio? it would all but clear tensu and would definitely clear glow for me
m!tensu and m!endless are both too compatible with everybody so it doesn't help with team alignments. i'm flat townreading you and glow, but if glow were to flip maf i think she'd provide the most information out of anybody in the game. but i'm never going to vote for glow so that's kind of moot

m!ace doesn't really provide anything beyond not teamed with you, but i think everyone's townreading you anyway
m!guava clears endless but nothing further

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oh yeah m!antonio kind of clears guava i think

If Antonio flips town, who's likely to be scum?

Idk, but based on your options, I will vote there.
What would Guava give us?
What would I give you?
Or Tensu?

This is to prevent LYLO, I don't think the first mafia kill will give us much.

Guava as maf would put Glow as maf into certainty. You as maf would put Guava into certainty. Tensu would provide next to nothing. Flipping the question onto me and obliging with my vote isn't very town-oriented imo

it's not based on near the EOD, it's based on him considering a read that lack merit. Either that means he is copying glow or they are on the same page.

Regarding your question, voting off Glow would most likely give me the most information regarding my current opinions. However, this isn't about me so in general, I'm not sure. I'm not voting off somebody that I don't believe is scum and we literally have 2 votes left so we should be aiming to vote off someone we all think is scum rather than who will give us the most information.

We do vote who we think are scum, but I think out of who we think's scum, we have to vote for someone who's giving up the most information . These two things can occur synonymously!

 

[epona]

If Antonio flips town, who's likely to be scum?

guava/tensu, endless, ace, glow

in that order

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fwiw you guys have made me doubt my read on tensu because i think i might just be stuck in a tunnel

 

[glow]

As I stated in my reads post, and re-affirmed later, guav@/Antonio are absolutely not teamed. Hence why I have (guav@/Antonio)+Tensu+epona as the position I ended up on. (Which is to say one of guav@/Antonio is mafia, and the other is town.)
I don't think any of my other reads are incompatible.

i'm still going through this post but want to get a reply out quick on this -- seriously how can epona and tensu be aligned when epona nearly got tensu lynched last phase

 

[epona]

but if antonio flipped town tensu is scumlock for me

 

[Ace Marvel]

Guava as maf would put Glow as maf into certainty. You as maf would put Guava into certainty. Tensu would provide next to nothing. Flipping the question onto me and obliging with my vote isn't very town-oriented imo

I don't see Guava/Glow sorry.

 

[Aerious]

guava/tensu, endless, ace, glow

in that order

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fwiw you guys have made me doubt my read on tensu because i think i might just be stuck in a tunnel

Imo right now if Antonio flips maf, Ace is maf for me 100%. Ace rn is looking scummy by obliging with what I want instead of answering honestly based on his reads and observations. You don't have to doubt your Tensu read, I just don't think he's worth killing today. I also think it's convenient how many people want to kill him

I don't see Guava/Glow sorry.

Go ahead and explain, because I'm at my wits' end with reads without explanations from you

Pretty sure I'm going to be NK'd so I'm trying to provide as much as I can atm

 

[epona]

but in a vacuum is antonio actually likely to flip mafia

 

[Antonio]

guava/tensu, endless, ace, glow

in that order

if I die today and flip town, yall better go after my sus reads for my sake and look back at my opinions regarding everyone. Because I know my opinions are valid.

We do vote who we think are scum, but I think out of who we think's scum, we have to vote for someone who's giving up the most information . These two things can occur synonymously!

Yes indeed, and they should concur synonymously. However, your opinions regarding today's vote shouldn't be only based on who will give the most information.

Anyways, I'm going to take a nap and won't be online near EOD. If yall need me, ping me on discord via dm because my phone is off of silent mode and the pings might wake me up. I'll be keeping my vote on Glow aswell as I believe they are scum and their lynch would provide the most information. Bye guys!

 

[glow]

but in a vacuum is antonio actually likely to flip mafia

any thoughts on his endless scumread?

 

[epona]

Anyways, I'm going to take a nap and won't be online near EOD. If yall need me, ping me on discord via dm because my phone is off of silent mode and the pings might wake me up. I'll be keeping my vote on Glow aswell as I believe they are scum and their lynch would provide the most information. Bye guys!

did you not literally lynch evan for this exact sentiment

 

[glow]

Anyways, I'm going to take a nap and won't be online near EOD.

i

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did you not literally lynch evan for this exact sentiment

i

 

[Endless]

i'm still going through this post but want to get a reply out quick on this -- seriously how can epona and tensu be aligned when epona nearly got tensu lynched last phase

epona started the wagon when it looked like evan was locked for the day, and absolutely appears capable of that sort of bus. (i.e. would expect that evan got lynched and then it looks really good for tensu/epona without any real danger.)
Now, I'm not saying that interaction makes it more likely they're mafia together - if anything I think it would make it less likely, but I also don't think it's anything.

 

[Aerious]

me rn running on less than 4 hours of sleep to be around for EOD while someone goes and takes a nap

 

[epona]

any thoughts on his endless scumread?

it's pure OMGUS because he doesn't like being called a hypocrite imo
whatever about his read on you his SR on endless is bc he doesn't like what endless is saying about him

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epona started the wagon when it looked like evan was locked for the day, and absolutely appears capable of that sort of bus. (i.e. would expect that evan got lynched and then it looks really good for tensu/epona without any real danger.)
Now, I'm not saying that interaction makes it more likely they're mafia together - if anything I think it would make it less likely, but I also don't think it's anything.

this just is not true

 

[Antonio]

did you not literally lynch evan for this exact sentiment

No, I said I Lynched him because he offered evidence but left without properly providing it.

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it's not about being inactive