Mafia Greek Cultists Mafia: Cult Surrenders! Town Wins!

[N e s s]

uh huh...oath would you mind telling me why you want my head on a plate?

 

[oath2order]

uh huh...oath would you mind telling me why you want my head on a plate?

I don't, and I honestly have no idea where Kat is getting that from. It's funny though. First you say that I'm using old material, now you suddenly switch and are acting like I've been hounding you.

Well, yeah i can see why you would think that. But i'm saying you're not using any new material, you're using material that you used while you were innactive.

 

[N e s s]

I don't, and I honestly have no idea where Kat is getting that from. It's funny though. First you say that I'm using old material, now you suddenly switch and are acting like I've been hounding you.

But you are though

because you didn't read back

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Plus kat just said that you said in the IRC "So are we lynching Ness"?

 

[oath2order]

But you are though

because you didn't read back

I've made a handful of comments against you Ness, specifically quoting your words "back when you were inactive". Why are you acting as if I'm actively pushing a lynch against you? I'm not actively pushing a lynch against you, let alone anyone, I'm stating my thoughts and my suspicions, however minimal those suspicions may be.

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But you are though

because you didn't read back

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Plus kat just said that you said in the IRC "So are we lynching Ness"?

I'm not in the IRC??

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For that matter, neither is Kat, unless she uses a name I don't know.

 

[N e s s]

I've made a handful of comments against you Ness, specifically quoting your words "back when you were inactive". Why are you acting as if I'm actively pushing a lynch against you? I'm not actively pushing a lynch against you, let alone anyone, I'm stating my thoughts and my suspicions, however minimal those suspicions may be.

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I'm not in the IRC??

I'm not saying you're leading a lynch on me- i asked why you said "Are we Lynching Ness?" in the IRC, because i don't know why you come to that right then and there. But this is what Kat said she saw and not me, so i'm just using her alibi. Is this false?

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@Oath It wasn't like opinion was settled on them at the time. The thing with Kit was alright (albeit with little evidence, but it's D1 so what can you do), but you said "So it looks like Ness is getting lynched?" iirc. It felt like you were saying "Hey I think X." without really supporting it

oops, ninja'd, but it says there in the bold "iirc"? unless this is short for something and i'm just making a mistake then please tell me.

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Ooh, it's internet slang, i got confused there.

But i will say it somewhat is like this, you have been focusing on me for most of the game. And if the bolded sentence above is true i don't remember you ever saying that? So kat, details?

 

[Arstotzkan]

I said IIRC. Not IRC.

Also, I think I got my opinions regarding Kit down (thanks for inadvertently quoting that Ness lol). That one post up there's kinda shady af b/c she doesn't do much besides shift the topic off of herself when asked something. She kind of turned things right back around at Ness whenever she was targeted, making him take the fall for the mistakes she made.

Lemme get the quote.

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Sorry quick side notice please remember justice's pronouns "they/them" not she.

Good chunk seems to be in favor of lynching Kit.

OK MY BAD I MISREMEMBERED. But this is it.

 

[N e s s]

I said IIRC. Not IRC.

Also, I think I got my opinions regarding Kit down (thanks for inadvertently quoting that Ness lol). That one post up there's kinda shady af b/c she doesn't do much besides shift the topic off of herself when asked something. She kind of turned things right back around at Ness whenever she was targeted, making him take the fall for the mistakes she made.

Lemme get the quote.

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OK MY BAD I MISREMEMBERED. But this is it.

Wait...what do you mean by this?

 

[Arstotzkan]

What do I mean by what part?

 

[N e s s]

By the part of me "taking the fall for kit's mistakes", what are you saying here

 

[Arstotzkan]

Like she kind of turned it around on you and instead of defending herself, said that you did them.

 

[N e s s]

Wait wtf?

Hold on a second, i'm going to go reread that...

 

[Arstotzkan]

I mean am I wrong? I feel like my brain's on a losing streak tonight but I feel like whenever you said something, she said "yeah but you did it too", without actually defending herself.

 

[N e s s]

Oh. my. god.

are you f***ing kiding me

i f***ing knew she was putting dam words in my mouth

how the hell did i not notice that???

 

[Kit]

Oh. my. god.

are you f***ing kiding me

i f***ing knew she was putting dam words in my mouth

how the hell did i not notice that???

Wait what the hell did I do now?

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Kat you seriously want to lose my vote?
I thought I was completely good with Ness and that they understood perfectly what my argument was from the beginning?
If you kill me Kat, it's gonna make you look terrible I will promise you.

 

[radical6]

i take a nap and now everyones confused
anyway for lynch

jello - theyre always like this, i dont have enough to read them on. literally theyre always inactive. i know they live in australia along with trojan and ender (im assuming since ur abes friend) so theres no excuse

i have no opinion on them mostly because they never post anyway. theres nothing for me to read. if anything i feel like lynching jello will just be getting rid of an inactive. theyre inactive no matter the alignment.

a lot of the players so far have been fairly quiet (starry, trojan, trojans friend or something) so i really have no opinion on any of them.

my thoughts on labelle arent really much either. i find it interesting they said they townread me and sarasa the most even though we were pretty much against each other earlier.

as for them going against jello, i mean jello pretty much posted right before labelle did so i dont really agree with dads thoughts of "labelle did it to go hey look im town coz im going againjst someone new!" i feel like it was just a spur of the moment.

tbh idk what you guys are talking about with kit. im assuming someone misread.

really kits been rather quiet for the end of the day. i have no idea why kit and ness were even fighting earlier. i just remember kit was agreeing with everything sarasa said, then i got obviously annoyed and kit backed off.

also, no one really uses the IRC (in this game) besides oath and labelle. jsyk

i dont use the irc anymore, and nor does Dad. i talk to dylan on skype in private.

 

[Kit]

i take a nap and now everyones confused
anyway for lynch

jello - theyre always like this, i dont have enough to read them on. literally theyre always inactive. i know they live in australia along with trojan and ender (im assuming since ur abes friend) so theres no excuse

i have no opinion on them mostly because they never post anyway. theres nothing for me to read. if anything i feel like lynching jello will just be getting rid of an inactive. theyre inactive no matter the alignment.

a lot of the players so far have been fairly quiet (starry, trojan, trojans friend or something) so i really have no opinion on any of them.

my thoughts on labelle arent really much either. i find it interesting they said they townread me and sarasa the most even though we were pretty much against each other earlier.

as for them going against jello, i mean jello pretty much posted right before labelle did so i dont really agree with dads thoughts of "labelle did it to go hey look im town coz im going againjst someone new!" i feel like it was just a spur of the moment.

tbh idk what you guys are talking about with kit. im assuming someone misread.

really kits been rather quiet for the end of the day. i have no idea why kit and ness were even fighting earlier. i just remember kit was agreeing with everything sarasa said, then i got obviously annoyed and kit backed off.

also, no one really uses the IRC (in this game) besides oath and labelle. jsyk

i dont use the irc anymore, and nor does Dad. i talk to dylan on skype in private.

Sorry about all of that, I just got really pissed off :/.

 

[radical6]

oh you guys post **** under spoilers
no wonder im so confused because ive been on mobile half the game
brb lemme read this stuff again

 

[Arstotzkan]

Wait what the hell did I do now?

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Kat you seriously want to lose my vote?
I thought I was completely good with Ness and that they understood perfectly what my argument was from the beginning?
If you kill me Kat, it's gonna make you look terrible I will promise you.

You're saying because I potentially suspect you, you vote someone else? If my points aren't legitimate, then refute them.

 

[N e s s]

Can you wait like 5 more seconds please this I swear XD
What time is it in Austraila?

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I'm sorry, did I miss something here?

You know nothing of my "regular" behavior. I haven't played a Mafia game in over a year.
But thank you, let me speak.

First off, Ness, you are taking my quotes out completely of context.
Let's take a look and dissect this argument.

I think we'll deal with Ness's defense first,

Spoiler: Defense Debunked

"So yeah, just because I'm acting like scum doesn't mean I'm scum this time! Right guys? Anyone with me??"
This sounds incredibly hypocritical on your part, especially when compared to this post from earlier,

"pls stop looking at me I'm not scum this game I swear oh woe is me!"

Moving onwards...


"Don't attack for my play style but.. Don't get mad at me if I attack you for yours and call yours out as scummy!!"
Hypocrisy appears to be your biggest flaw, Ness. Let's take a look at these quotes..

"She reminds me of one of the scum strategies I used last game"
"Yeah I'm doing it this game but hey it's just my playstyle.
My self-admitted scum playstyle!"
"Whoops!"


Ness's response..

"Okay okay, I accused two people for their scummy playstyles and yet defended my own behavior as my playstyle,
but hey! That was just a "reaction test!" right?!"

That brings us to our next point!


Let's see what Starry had to say about that...

Starry I couldn't have said it better myself!
That proceeds into a huge argument which I'll be taking many, many quotes from as this post progresses.

Ness then states their opinions on who they think sounds like a good president, but the only one I care about obviously is what they think of me <3

Spoiler: Kit is suspect

Ah, you don't like my posts, they rub you the wrong way and you stole Oath's whole #KitKatforprez argument, which I had already admitted was a joke in a response to him because you couldn't think of any actual reasons besides the fact that I frustrated you.
Well with nothing really against me, I'm sure your post is over here right?
Wrong.
Ness goes to talk about some more defensive stuff that I already debunked, and then brings up this


Cool! We don't really seem to be very friendly towards one another as of late but hey at least you had the dignity to save yourself the embarrassment of trying to lead a lynch against me and saying I'm your #1 suspect for said bias, right?


Oh dear... Here we go..



"3-Gonna jump on the wagon with Oath on this one, really it's way too hard to make a judgement at this point"

This stood out to you.. Why? Because I said exactly what almost everyone else said to answer this question? That I didn't know who to lynch because I didn't have enough to make a judgment on the first day?


"I don't know about the others. I want to say Oath is mafia just for the heck of it though."
I'm also the one that added the "oath is mafia" tag to the thread before it even started. It was always a joke! You even asked me about it? What on earth is so odd about that?

"Eek I'm scared I don't know who to side with "
I said that only because I was getting hearing two different messages and was questioning whether or not to trust Sarsakat. Whatever those guides told you, being unsure of who to lynch first day and not knowing how a player behaved in the past and being confused when hearing two different messages about said player is not abnormal scum behavior. What would you have done differently in that situation?

With that whole post out of the way, let's look at some other suspicious interesting posts from Ness, shall we?

Spoiler: Ness is acting scummy

This thing starts off with a post from Starry, stating what I have also stated here and something that you, again, admitted yourself.



(I'd like to hear more from Rune in general if possible actually, they haven't posted much..)

There's some more posts that don't really add on much, you guys can go back a few pages and read the whole deal if you'd like.

"it was just another one of my tests" In a few posts this point will be moot.
"Just scum hunting" Yet I'm not believed to be cult by you? I'm just considered as your #1 Suspect for bias reasons ah almost forgot.



Rune to the rescue. I feel like this argument just kind of shows us exactly why having Ness as a president is a bad choice. Even if Ness isn't scum, we cannot have a president making crazily impulsive decisions when they're mad.
It doesn't come down to just being town or not, it's about leadership skill.



Maybe because of how easily you can get upset? Would I give a trigger-happy criminal a gun because sometimes they aren't trigger happy?
You CAN be a good leader Ness and as horrible as this entire posts sounds, it's really not meant to insult you.
But Rune is right. You can't have a good leader who gets so upset so quickly and who fights with bias instead of evidence and logic! Keep reading those guides and harness that skill, I know I made god knows how many mistakes with my early games a year or so ago.

Hypocrisy! Oh sweet hypocrisy~
No, they find you suspicious because they don't believe your test to be true and see it as a cover-up for the fact that you made a mistake.
Meanwhile your whole argument against me was because of again, personal bias, I frustrated you, with lack of no actual evidence.

Speaks for itself.

Nope, and neither have I!

I wish you had thought about that last part again before you made your defense post as your defense post was basically an effort to fix everything wrong about this post, so you must have gone back and looked at it again.


I half-want to lynch pillow bunny just because she isn't posting anything of sustenance. But I digress..


"Oh how the herd is following"
"Unless it's Kit of course. If it's Kit it's fine! "
Starry wasn't trying to lynch you at all! She was just pointing out the obvious flaws in your behavior and how, again, self admitted, they seemed scumlike!

Ness says something mean that they later apologize for, then leaves to clear their mind.
Do I suspect Ness? Well, a little. I don't think they qualify as a prez candidate at all due to what I've said earlier and scum-like behavior just still doesn't seem reliable enough for me.

Also, this just bugged me.

You mean, Starry. And only Starry. And only Starry because Starry jumped on the non-existent bandwagon for a lynch vote that hasn't even begun. Even Ness said they didn't want to jump to conclusions and that they were just suspicious about me, not that they wanted me dead because they were sure I was scum.

Well whoop dee freaking do, YOU WERE PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH WITH THIS AFTERALL.

Lets see now, shall we?

If i remember with the defense i made that i had suspicions of you, you made the post above not as a defense(even if you meant for it to be this way, this is contentless) when in reality this is all "Oh, i'm getting suspicious? well now, why don't i take a shot back at Ness by saying all the scummy things he's done!"

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Also why the hell are you bringing Kat into this when I'M THE ONE YOU SHOULD BE TALKING TO.

 

[Dolby]

Sarasakat has been elected President and has 55 minutes to decide on who to lynch