Hate

[seliph]

lmao trying to calm down what's gonna go down as a flame war...

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sorry... >.<

There is no flame war and you aren't contributing to the thread at all. If you think there's gonna be a fight, report the post(s) instead of... whatever you're doing.

the harold meme is about when (specifically straight, old) ppl assume two lesbians are Great Friends :^) instead of gfs

You mean GAL PALS

 

[Celestefey]

Well, guess heterosexual people know what it feels like to be made fun of for their sexuality, then! Even though this is not nearly as bad as what some straight people have done to anyone LGBTQ.

To be honest though, I'm pretty able to make fun of myself and to make fun of my sexuality and stereotypes. It doesn't bother me. But sometimes you can't tell when heterosexual people are just "joking" or not, hence why I don't think it's cool when other people make "insulting jokes" to anyone who isn't straight.

 

[Jeremy]

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[Misty15]

lmao trying to calm down what's gonna go down as a flame war...

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sorry... >.<

Honestly I agree. What has this world come to where it is a controversy if you are gay or straight?! I really feel bad for gay people and that's part of what makes this so bad. The reason why they are treated the way they are is because of hate. People do need to calm down. People need to stop hating gays. But at the same time, those of you defending gay people in this situation (thank you, I agree), please don't get too outraged. Anger won't solve anything. Improvement will.

 

[Antonio]

I'm gay and ppl need to accept that some people prefer spaghetti over garlic bread..

 

[Gregriii]

whatever. I somewhat expected you would pop out...

the funny thing is you only focused in the "hatred towards cis is not a thing lelellelelel"

when I meant HATE in general, but I knoooow I'm the baiter and ofc If I do a thread I'm either an ignorant or someone who deserves to get trolled, right??

The thing is... yeah lgbt+ is opressed but then making jokes of straight people will make them less opressed? I don't think so. Like being lgbt it doesnt make you a cinnamon bun and being straight doesnt make you a monster

But yeah the thing was if HATE is okay when it is against a majority or in general (it seems ppl just ignore hate when they are inside the community (Transphobic lesbians for example)

the thing lies in the systematic oppression of lgbt+ people.

if gay ppl had never been oppressed for being gay there wouldnt be a difference between #talklikestraightpeople and #talklikegaypeople

but that's not the case and being upset and talking about it like "but if it was the other way around !!!" is just weird and ignoring the oppression of lgbt+ people. it is not the other way around. you know why? #talklikestraightpeople doesn't affect straight ppl to the point where they commit suicide, get thrown out of their homes, get bullied, get beaten, get fired, get murdered etc for being straight.
i haven't read the tag but i can bet, like, idk a lot of money or w/e that it's not hatred towards straight people.

it is most likely filled w/ stuff like the harold meme, straight ppl's homophobia, their awkwardness about gay ppl and stuff like that.

straight people who want to do the whole "But what if it was the other way around ???????" thing are ignorant af

The thing is, the #talklikegaypeople wont do it either, I'm pretty sure no one is going to die because of it (the hashtag I mean)

But I get what you mean, I know lgbt+ get lots of hatred but as said, even if it's a joke, they shouldnt also hate the majority cuz it's like... controversial... idk if you understand what I mean, I cannot explain myself and yeah, I get this is a joke but as this cis joke isnt hatred, jokes arent homophobic, cause they are jokes... like, a hashtag wont make you kill yourself right???

and thanks god you made an argument, I know you didnt take this thread as something serious but at least you said something

 

[Hopeless Opus]

idk to me it's stupid for anyone to hate anyone. the perfect world = aka where no one hates anybody and everyone gets along despite their gender/sexuality/race.

but yeah i mean little stuff like that doesn't bother me, they're just having fun imo because making fun of something with a bunch of other people tends to be fun. doesn't really bother me what they think of straight people, plus gay people get hated like 24/7 so i mean hey if they wanna go and make fun of straights for a few hours who am i to judge right?

 

[Celestefey]

whatever. I somewhat expected you would pop out...

the funny thing is you only focused in the "hatred towards cis is not a thing lelellelelel"

when I meant HATE in general, but I knoooow I'm the baiter and ofc If I do a thread I'm either an ignorant or someone who deserves to get trolled, right??

The thing is... yeah lgbt+ is opressed but then making jokes of straight people will make them less opressed? I don't think so.

But yeah the thing was if HATE is okay when it is against a majority or in general (it seems ppl just ignore hate when they are inside the community (Transphobic lesbians for example)

Yeah but you cited examples hence why people responded to them. Their points can still stand.
Likewise the hash tag was not really any form of hatred to heterosexual people. LGBT people don't HATE straight people at all, that's not the point. The hash tag is most likely (correct me if I'm wrong but I'm going off of other examples I have seen) either making fun of the stereotypes surrounding straight people OR it's targeted at homophobic straight people or whatever. Genuinely, I don't think many LGBT people hates straight people, and if there are, that's a small minority. But there are lots of homophobes out there who DO hate gay people and that's of course the people we dislike. It's not necessarily HATE towards a majority at all. At least, that's not how I interpret it.

 

[Cudon]

I think it's kinda sad how everyone is shrugging this off. Sure lgbt+ people get much more hate and sure the comments are probably just slightly mean, but it's still impolite and rude of somebody to start dissing and generalizing a group of people, even if they're dissing the majority. I also don't think hate solves hate, so minorities hating on a majority in this way just comes off as immature and bitter to me.

I dunno if this situation is hateful tho, I don't speak Spanish

 

[Antonio]

I just don't see the huge fuss about people not liking gays. They shouldn't worry about what I'm into but worrying about yourself. What does my love Interest has to do with you? Nothing! People need to accept that some people are not what you want gem to be and you need to stop worrying about that person. Ugh!!!!

 

[Sp1nda]

In my beliefs, I think hating any specific person is just wrong, and if I find myself not showing respect to somebody and "hating" them, I think to myself, "Is it worth the energy?"

One thing I want to say here is that, in America, this is one of the most tolerant countries for gay people. So everyone talking about gay people being oppressed, you don't know the half of it if you live in the USA. Not trying to be rude or anything, but seriously, don't act like you're oppressed in a very wealthy country with the freedoms to be gay as you please.

Honestly if people are gonna make "#tweetlikeahetero" trending on twitter, I couldn't care less lmao. I don't think its people who are going out and saying "BEING STRAIGHT IS WRONG, GAYS ARE SUPERIOR" or trying to say anything like that. It just seems like a joke. If it was "#tweetlikeahomo" and it was clearly just a joke like this one, I would hope people would treat it the same way, and laugh it off, and not get super butthurt about it.

All in all, it's the internet. There's gonna be hatespeech and trolls out there. Your reaction is what truly matters. You can choose to get offended, or you can choose to just laugh at how close minded some people are.

 

[Cudon]

I just don't see the huge fuss about people not liking gays. They shouldn't worry about what I'm into but worrying about yourself. What does my love Interest has to do with you? Nothing! People need to accept that some people are not what you want gem to be and you need to stop worrying about that person. Ugh!!!!

Yeah agreed, there are always people who are going to hate your guts because of a trait you have no matter what you do. But I think the reason lgbt+ people are upset about homophobes and whatnot is because these people legit affect their lives and make them feel like they're lesser beings for things they can't affect?

 

[visibleghost]

whatever. I somewhat expected you would pop out...

the funny thing is you only focused in the "hatred towards cis is not a thing lelellelelel"

when I meant HATE in general, but I knoooow I'm the baiter and ofc If I do a thread I'm either an ignorant or someone who deserves to get trolled, right??

The thing is... yeah lgbt+ is opressed but then making jokes of straight people will make them less opressed? I don't think so. Like being lgbt it doesnt make you a cinnamon bun and being straight doesnt make you a monster

But yeah the thing was if HATE is okay when it is against a majority or in general (it seems ppl just ignore hate when they are inside the community (Transphobic lesbians for example)



The thing is, the #talklikegaypeople wont do it either, I'm pretty sure no one is going to die because of it (the hashtag I mean)

But I get what you mean, I know lgbt+ get lots of hatred but as said, even if it's a joke, they shouldnt also hate the majority cuz it's like... controversial... idk if you understand what I mean, I cannot explain myself and yeah, I get this is a joke but as this cis joke isnt hatred, jokes arent homophobic, cause they are jokes... like, a hashtag wont make you kill yourself right???

and thanks god you made an argument, I know you didnt take this thread as something serious but at least you said something

hate in general isn't great, but that doesn't mean that all hate is equal. that sounds kinda weird, but, like, personal hatred is less bad than the big thing about hatred that creates systematic oppression. like, i can hate black ppl and that makes me a gross racist. but i can hate some guy who was mean to me in 3rd grade, which makes me petty, but not an awful person. idk how to explain but Basically if it's part of something bigger it's less okay?? i guess???

and no, joking about straight ppl won't make lgbt+ individuals less hated, but we don't need to do everything to be less hated. in my opinion, tags like that bring lgbt+ people together and is kinda bonding idk. like, most of us have had to deal with cis/het ppl being ignorant.

and w/ the hatred inside the community, yeah that's a big issue. many gay ppl are transphobic, and there's a lot of biphobia coming from gay ppl saying that bi ppl "have to choose a side", which sucks and is not okay. that's definitely something the community has to work on.

and while a homophobic hashtag wouldn't be what killed gay people, it would add on to the hatred of and violence against gay people.

and there's a big difference between jokes about cis ppl and jokes about trans people. of course it is never alright to be like "lol you should die if you are [cis / trans]", but negative jokes about trans people are transphobic and adds on to the transphobia outside of the "harmless" jokes. cis ppl don't have the same thing hahh hh idk if i explained it well but ;W;

and uh idk but im glad u seem to be srs abt this ;w;

 

[Matramix]

I just don't see the huge fuss about people not liking gays. They shouldn't worry about what I'm into but worrying about yourself. What does my love Interest has to do with you? Nothing! People need to accept that some people are not what you want gem to be and you need to stop worrying about that person. Ugh!!!!

Do you not realize that you just contradicted yourself by saying "I don't see the huge fuss about people not liking gays" followed by the fact that "Everyone should worry about themselves". In saying this you are practically saying that it's okay to hate gays but also everyone should worry about themselves. So if people should worry about themselves then would you say that its okay to hate gays? ? ? ? ?

 

[Gregriii]

ok I think I get what you meant when u said that hate isnt equal like u hate that 3rd grade boy cuz he was mean to you isnt the same hating people for being black cause you don't know all the black people??? but for example if you had a bad experience with a colective (women and men for example) would it be like "okay" to hate them?

and no, joking about straight ppl won't make lgbt+ individuals less hated, but we don't need to do everything to be less hated. in my opinion, tags like that bring lgbt+ people together and is kinda bonding idk. like, most of us have had to deal with cis/het ppl being ignorant.

ok I've seen the lgbt+ part of tumblr (Not a good reference I know) and i've seen that they are delightful persons with the other lgbt but then that makes me wonder something... It's fine to have a bond with people you share things with but... that doesnt make you like less accepted in general?

I mean:

The problem with the LGBT+ at least that's what I see, asides from the hatred they get, is like, they are like super scared (it's obviously something I can understand) so from the references I get they are "super special snowflakes for being like that" and, even though their community is fantastic (at least only with themselves) they are just left alone and... like... I can understand that cis/straight are ignorant cause lgbt doesnt let them approach you know?

I mean if something I guess both parts want is equality, why dont we start by mixing? It's not okay for straight to hate but it isnt okay for lgbt to rely on themselves only, cuz, at the end, sexuality doesnt define if you are a bad or good person

and yeah I know both, from the straight and lgbt community wont accept mixing but... for example... I saw a post on tumblr about "lgbt caf?s" and I think it is a dumb idea cause there is no need for, lgbt bars are okay since finding someone who is also lgbt is harder so it's like a filrt place? But a caf?? That would only make you more isolated from the majority

cause even if opression against lgbt stops, they will still be a minority, and if they don't mix... idk it would be a bad thing

aghh Idk if I explained myself

 

[Matramix]

I mean if something I guess both parts want is equality, why dont we start by mixing? It's not okay for straight to hate but it isnt okay for lgbt to rely on themselves only, cuz, at the end, sexuality doesnt define if you are a bad or good person

You make it seem like all gay people hate straight people. You speak for a very small amount of people when you say that "both parts want equality". because there are a lot of straight people that despise gays, alongside a sizable amount of gays that hate straight people. As for me personally I am not either. You sound fairly uneducated to think that it's simple enough of a process to just say "hey guys, let's just all MIX!" There is always going to be discrimination from both sides regardless. This post was highly unnecessary because it isn't going to solve or help anything if that's what your original intention was. Posting this you must've known that there was going to be controversy. So why post more gasoline to stoke the flames even higher?

 

[piichinu]

i think the lgbt community is **** but i still ont see anything wrong with a hashtag like that because if you make fun of straight people for their orientation its not gonna hurt them since their orientation is considered "the norm" but then when you make fun of people who arent straight for their orientation it can actually like...have harmful effects

 

[Gregriii]

Y[B]ou make it seem like all gay people hate straight people[/B]. You speak for a very small amount of people when you say that "both parts want equality". because there are a lot of straight people that despise gays, alongside a sizable amount of gays that hate straight people. As for me personally I am not either. You sound fairly uneducated to think that it's simple enough of a process to just say "hey guys, let's just all MIX!" There is always going to be discrimination from both sides regardless. This post was highly unnecessary because it isn't going to solve or help anything if that's what your original intention was. Posting this you must've known that there was going to be controversy. So why post more gasoline to stoke the flames even higher?

read the bold sentences

and actually, I know how to make a flame war, hehe, but this time I've written my words carefully. And yeah, I'm assuming most of the lgbt community want equality because who likes to be discriminated? I was saying that even most of them want it, they might be somewhat afraid, and straight people it's not like they want it but it's morelike they shouldnt care cuz it's not like with men and women,

and no I'm not uneducated like, did you read my post at all? I didnt say that as something easy but rather, hard

 

[Hopeless Opus]

straight people it's not like they want it but it's morelike they shouldnt care

not true at all.... i'm straight and i want equality for the gays, and i know many straight people who support the gays as well... why should we not care at all? is sexuality such an important determiner of whether or not two people should support each other or hate each other? there is a lot of homophobic straight people but there's also a lot of straight people who have been supporting gays, especially in most recent years. it's stupid that homophobes exist to begin with and i think that (for the non-homophobic straights out there) as our responsibility to being allies to the LGBT community, we should be supporting all love and not supporting the phobics?

 

[AnimalCrossingPerson]

I've not read all the bickering above, but will share my feelings.

Hatred will always work both ways.
If a white man shoots a black man, it's a hate crime. If a black man shoots a white man, it's because he's black.
The media is messed up.

Straight people will always be against gay people and vice-versa.

What I'm trying to say here is that many people just dislike anyone who's different, you know? That's why Mrs. Bloggs down the street is saying "these darn Muslims are invading my street!"

Please take this in a lighthearted manner.

I've completely skipped over a difference in privileges, for example, that between men and women. Men have air conditioning set just right, whereas women are absolutely freezing!