I Literally Can't Play This Game Anymore lol

[Faux]

people’s thoughts and feelings are still being silenced.

They're not, though.
Being asked to contain a topic to a single thread is entirely reasonable, and even the mods typically expect us to do this, and will merge threads of their own accord when people refuse to do so.

So why is it suddenly being treated like censorship when people just ask others to ... contain it to a single thread when it's so general, unhelpful, cannot be assisted with, etc ... ?

 

[EtchaSketch]

people need to chill TH out on both sides.

who cares how many threads there are. who cares who hates and doesn’t. who cares about randos expressing their opinions on a game with unique opinions we each have that can’t be changed.

edit: also just to add on, it seems like the people coming in here defending the game are the only ones taking it way too far, WAY too personal, and way too negative. chill out please

 

[Fey]

They're not, though.
Being asked to contain a topic to a single thread is entirely reasonable, and even the mods typically expect us to do this, and will merge threads of their own accord when people refuse to do so.

So why is it suddenly being treated like censorship when people just ask others to ... contain it to a single thread when it's so general, unhelpful, cannot be assisted with, etc ... ?

Personally I just haven’t seen that many, and when I do, they usually offer a distinct enough perspective or opening for conversation. Sure, we have the general Rant thread, but that doesn’t really work much in terms of actually discussing the game—it’s just a dump for individual complaints that doesn’t do much in terms of fostering a back and forth.

Also, this is far from the only repetitive topic. There are so many threads discussing villager lineups, rankings, picks, or really, any other aspect of the game. This just happens to be the aspect that offends people and therefore gets called out, while everything else gets a pass.

 

[naranjita]

Sure, we have the general Rant thread, but that doesn’t really work much in terms of actually discussing the game—it’s just a dump for individual complaints that doesn’t do much in terms of fostering a back and forth.

What back and forth does a thread like this foster, though? Because all I'm seeing is complaints like "the magic is gone", which, man, that's just straight up nostalgia, and nobody can help you there.

Like, I'm all for discussion of concrete gameplay elements that could be improved, such as being able to craft certain things in bulk, or being able to craft using items that you have in storage, but stuff like "well this game doesn't make me as happy as a game I played when I was a literal child" doesn't generate discussion, it just creates an echo chamber of people complaining about the game who don't realize that their issue is that they're not kids anymore.

You say that people who enjoy NH should just ignore these threads. Well, I can be just as dismissive and say that people who don't enjoy NH need to accept that they've outgrown Animal Crossing and move on, instead of wasting everyone's time whining on a forum meant for fans of the game.

 

[Kitsuragi]

hmm, today i will read a thread about a users criticisms and critiques about a game i enjoy because surely nothing would go wrong in this thread.

 

[Ace Marvel]

I think that's as you grow up, you start to understand what to do and how things really work in games, I remember that as a kid I could play a level or game over and over again and enjoy it, because I had no idea on how to play the optimal way. For example in animal crossing I could just run around town for hours and enjoy that, I had the time and energy to do that. Right now, I need to make the time. I think that is part of the "magic" imo.

Another example out outside of gaming for me would be graphic design, when I started I could spend hours on just one thing and be amazed because I was learning, but know that I know what im doing I would get so frustrated if I spent hours on a project and I'm not getting it.

Overall I don't think is the nostalgia, is more of our own evolution of thought and resources we have, back then there were not big forum where you could find every single answer to something, so that was also part of the process. And competition back then there were fewer titles to chose from, right now with indie games and studios trying to find a pot of gold, there a hundred of options to choose from, meaning we move faster from game to game and we are less forgiving about stuff.

I personally enjoy this game and I plan on keep playing it for a while.

 

[King koopa]

Not trying to start a fight, but I would like to point something out. To the people who think the reason why people keep saying "Oh new leaf had this but new horizons doesn't" and think they are just being ungrateful and are just purely talking from nostalgia, yeah we get it. We get that you like the game, and it's perfectly fine to. I'm not saying that you have to hate the game, just maybe try to understand both sides. I know it can be upsetting to some people when people talk trash about the flaws of NH, but that's because the game isn't perfect, and it's ok to simply point out those flaws. That's why we have the ACNH rant thread and the Petty complaint thread. However what's not ok is to shut down those people when they were just pointing out a flaw. That makes what should be a nice community where people can share their thoughts in peace, look bad. That's all I'm going to say, as like I said before i'm not trying to cause trouble.
Sorry OP, that you had to deal with this.

 

[Kaizer]

I agree. I want to play it and have fun but I find myself turning it on for no more than 20 mins and then shutting it back down again. There's things to do and my island is nowhere complete but I just don't care? Like it's just kinda meh experience.

Yeah pretty much same lol

I don't want to sound dismissive, but a lot of what people say regarding the older games being more "magical" or whatever... yeah, a big chunk of that is nostalgia. Like, Animal Crossing releases are actually pretty rare. New Leaf came out, like, 10 years ago. The earlier ones, even longer ago than that. Most of us played those games when we were children. Of course everything was more magical and special back then.

My first AC game was Wild World, and it has a very special place in my heart. And yes, I remember the dialogue being a lot more varied back then, and it was, and that's an aspect where WW is still better than NH, but let's be real, the reason I remember the dialogue so fondly is because 1. as a child, I was much more inclined to spend hours doing nothing but talking to cartoon animals in a video game, and 2. there was very little to do in WW otherwise compared to NH.

Especially when people claim that there was more to do in WW or earlier games, like... No. Your child brain was just much better at filling out the empty space. There's no way you can say there was more content to WW or earlier games than NH, like, objectively. Heck, even NL is arguable; yeah, there's, like, the mini games, I guess, but NH has terraforming and more freedom for outdoors customization, so it balances out.

Heck, people complain about the villagers being "soulless" or acting like "robots". Have you actually gone back and compared the villagers from earlier games to the villagers in NH? Dialogue variety may be down compared to WW (and it has certainly gone up when compared to NL), but at least they actually do things when they're outside. They fish and try to catch bugs instead of pointlessly holding out fishing rods and nets that they never use. They sing and exercise. They play around and take pictures of interesting furniture. They water the flowers and get distracted looking at the falling leaves. They even have unique dialogue for when you give them something that they gifted you. How is that soulless when compared to the earlier games? How can you say that they act like robots when they are so full of life compared to the villagers from previous games, who would never react to the world changing around them?

Idk. I feel like a lot of people don't actually want NH to be better, as much as I agree that there is room for improvement with it. Frankly, I don't think they even want the AC game that they think they want. What they really want is to be children again. And Nintendo can't give you that.

Not at all. it has nothing to do with me wanting to be a little kid again or anything like that in any shape or form. I could play Population Growing right now and genuinely still enjoy it. I just like the game better. I feel that it's a better game.

When the president of Nintendo died, I knew things would be different. When they took down Club Nintendo shortly after his death, it confirmed it. I knew this game wouldn’t be like the others. Am I disappointed? Yes. Will I continue playing in hopes they release the rest of the game? Yeah. When they released the game barebone, it gave me EA Sims vibes, then they released this big update, but with a DLC attached that was even beefier; that right there confirmed my fears that Nintendo was going the EA route, which is honestly the most disappointing part.

You know it's interesting you say this because a few weeks/months ago or so I was thinking about how the creator of N64, Gamecube etc ended up passing away and the new creators went on to create everything after Gamecube. What I realized was that part of why I feel N64, Gamecube etc was so special is because of what that individual person put into those systems and everything. There will only be one him. I feel like if he was still around to create the later systems, they would have been dramatically better in general.

 

[-Blue-]

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I understand where you are coming from, and I am not pointing fingers at you (unless you do it) but being borderline aggressive or attacking others when they aren't attacking you is not the way to go about it. I get that was my first part and people probably overlooked the rest of what I typed simply because they chalked me up as 'the other side' but we can all be better as people and to each other than to go straight for insults and being petty.

 

[Kaizer]

people need to chill TH out on both sides.

who cares how many threads there are. who cares who hates and doesn’t. who cares about randos expressing their opinions on a game with unique opinions we each have that can’t be changed.

edit: also just to add on, it seems like the people coming in here defending the game are the only ones taking it way too far, WAY too personal, and way too negative. chill out please

Exactly lol. From what I've observed, the people on this thread badgering people for expressing their opinions, feelings and thoughts regarding this issue are basically taking people's views personally and then going on the offensive. It's extremely childish. Personally as a civilized adult I prefer to just ignore it. Life is filled with craziness. I feel that it's a waste of life to go back and forth with people who are projecting their issues onto others. This isn't high school/middle school etc lol.

I understand where you are coming from, and I am not pointing fingers at you (unless you do it) but being borderline aggressive or attacking others when they aren't attacking you is not the way to go about it. I get that was my first part and people probably overlooked the rest of what I typed simply because they chalked me up as 'the other side' but we can all be better as people and to each other than to go straight for insults and being petty.

Thanks for being civilized and aligned. I feel that trying to reason with some of the people on the offensive is most likely not gonna work. They seem to be highly fixated on trying to bring us down/strip us because of our viewpoints/feelings etc. They don't seem to be in the right mindset to be able to reason in a healthy way. I think it's best if we just respectfully tune the negativity out.

@King koopa Exactly. Thanks, I appreciate that a lot.

 

[VanitasFan26]

In general I feel like whenever there is thread that speaks a different view on ACNH there is always going to be that certain group of people who will always get triggered. Its the Internet so there is a lot of opinions that can really shame a person to think a different way. Not just with AC but with any other fandom in general.

 

[Kaizer]

In general I feel like whenever there is thread that speaks a different view on ACNH there is always going to be that certain group of people who will always get triggered. Its the Internet so there is a lot of opinions that can really shame a person to think a different way. Not just with AC but with any other fandom in general.

Pretty much. I experience what's happening here everywhere I go lol. This is just what it is. There are just people who for some reason or another don't know how keep their baggage to themselves. It's always mind blowing to see and experience. Like I just don't get it. I can understand a teenager being like that because their brains aren't fully developed yet and so they're susceptible to social conditioning as well as a lack of reasoning in specific ways, but when grown adults act like this it really truly baffles me. I've been challenged more than words can express throughout the years dealing with people like that. It's given me wisdom, knowledge, understanding, experience and more beyond what I ever could have dreamed of tho.

 

[Fey]

Pretty much. I experience what's happening here everywhere I go lol. This is just what it is. There are just people who for some reason or another don't know how keep their baggage to themselves. It's always mind blowing to see and experience. Like I just don't get it. I can understand a teenager being like that because their brains aren't fully developed yet and so they're susceptible to social conditioning as well as a lack of reasoning in specific ways, but when grown adults act like this it really truly baffles me. I've been challenged more than words can express throughout the years dealing with people like that. It's given me wisdom, knowledge, understanding, experience and more beyond what I ever could have dreamed of tho.

I usually like resolving everything, but I’ve learned that sometimes all you can do is step away.

 

[Kaizer]

I usually like resolving everything, but I’ve learned that sometimes all you can do is step away.

Exactly lol. I'm gonna continue posting on this thread and adding insights that I feel are valuable to others. Those who disagree are free to disagree but those who feel the need to attack me for doing so, I'm not gonna pay any mind to.

 

[Insulaire]

I can understand people not liking this game. Nothing is beloved by everyone. What I can’t understand is posting on a message board sub forum devoted to something you hate. If I don’t like a game, I don’t feel compelled to go to a fan forum dedicated to it and tell them why, over and over.

 

[Kaizer]

I can understand people not liking this game. Nothing is beloved by everyone. What I can’t understand is posting on a message board sub forum devoted to something you hate. If I don’t like a game, I don’t feel compelled to go to a fan forum dedicated to it and tell them why, over and over.

No one is saying they hate this game. In fact if you read people's comments, the people who are healthily expressing their disappointments with some of the aspects of the game also mention things they absolutely love about the game. Read the majority of the comments carefully lol they're all right there.

 

[Serabee]

I feel exactly where you're coming from. And I can see why you would absolutely adore New Horizons. It seems you got the DLC, correct me if I'm wrong. I feel that this may be part of the reason why you're able to enjoy it in the whole way that you are. I personally don't have the DLC so maybe that might contribute to why I feel the way I feel this time around. I don't really feel it was right for them to only make the game 100% whole thru a paid DLC and have felt strongly about this type of stuff for a while now. I feel like that's what the advancement of technology has done for game creators/developers etc. There's more capitalization on paid content that once came with the game for free as a complete package. But that's a totally seperate thing so I'll just leave that alone for now lol. But it does kind of still affect this specific game in a large way I feel. Not everybody wants a Nintendo Online membership ya know. And not everybody wants to pay extra for an extra part of the game that honestly was supposed to already be built into the game. But that's just my opinon.

See, I disagree COMPLETELY that the DLC makes it whole. The DLC is basically a sequel to the HHD spin-off, which was an entirely separate game before. I feel like Nintendo did a perfect job in making a DLC that was enjoyable but didn't add anything the game absolutely NEEDED and couldn't live without. It's just a bonus if you want it and can afford/have access to it. Not everyone will be able to get it or want it, but like I said, it's basically a sequel to a spin-off. But with the bonus of being able to have an impact on the main game AND being cheaper than a whole separate game, like the initial one was. It doesn't feel fair to think it should be free when the content included is content that has simply never been free before in previous AC games. Obviously expansion packs are a tricky issue, but I really feel like Nintendo nailed it with this. I mean, yes, there is content a lot of people want but may not be able to get. But a lot of people may want the game in general but can't get it. I don't think the answer is to make more things free (since people still do need to be paid, after all) but to find a good balance between expansions adding good content, but not adding necessary content.

Don't get me wrong- I 100% see games where they milk every penny they can out of players. But I think ACNH is a terrible example of that, because the ONLY paid content is based on what was a spin-off, and therefore has never been free in a main series AC game. I'm not trying to be mean or start an argument, but I'm genuinely baffled how someone could make an argument it should be free when there's no precedent for that. That feels like asking for a lot.

 

[RollingAntony]

"We are unable to express our criticisms or hate because people silence different opinions but we also want people who enjoy the game* to stay away from these topics that invite discussion".

*Affectionately called "NH defenders" or dozens other names.

Loosely using "inviting discussion" because it's obvious some people here are not interested on discussion or debate (which is the purpose of forums) and just want to revel in other people sharing their same negative opinions. That's what the rant and petty threads, which are the same thing, are for. A place where 99% of the time, you can point out the flaws, dislikes, etc. without any pesky defender debating your point. If you post something and don't want people to debate it, or only want a select group of people to discuss it (the "stay away from topics with criticism"), why don't people simply put the disclaimer on the OP or go the rant/petty thread? Healthy discussion is sometimes so scarce because people either refuse to back up their points, they don't want to follow-up discussion because of diverse reasons or I don't know.

By the way, I also love the way some people are calling others immature or whatever just because, so nice to see <3


Since last week, there has been the standard rant and petty thread, the hhp disappointment, the 2.0 disappointment, the NH music sucks thread (two times, I think), the "villagers have no personality", the "houses suck now", the "Harvey doesn't give you anything, rewards for this game suck", and probably some more. Since the last update you can add the "honest thoughts about why the update isn't good" which came out less than 24 hours after the update, the "disappointment about items not returning", the "Harriet was better before actually", etc. That's not even going further behind, where all this topics are repeated ad nauseam or specific things on other threads. It's not inherently bad that some of those topics exist, but the frequency, repetition and overall atmosphere doesn't help

It's not hard to see why some people are maybe a bit tired of the negativity (and why the constant negative threads aren't comparable to the constant favorite villagers or the like). Telling people to direct specific rants with no intention to debate to the rant/petty thread or poking fun at the constant complaining is not an attempt to silence anyone or an attack on anyone.

People have been posting opinions as facts lots of times, have spread misinformation about the game, overanalyzed the heck out of the game for negative purposes, constantly disregard or belittle aspects of NH and instead overhype/oversell aspects of previous games, doing comparisons only when it's to say something on NH is worse but ignoring comparisons when it's not, comparing to an specific past game when that game did something better but comparing to the franchise as a whole when needed, etc. I personally also find using the death of a person as a way to reason why a game is not "good" is not only highly debatable, but I find it... uncomfortable? And I've seen that kind of thing way too many times.

Last time I said this things happened here, people said they didn't see that, as if we didn't have posts saying the wallpapers of the game are GBA-quality, 2 beans threads where people were saying that because they don't make the sound it's a symptom of the hundreds of details missing from NH or a thread where the OP literally admitted to wanting to "rile up the opposition".


There are, imho, very good posters who don't like NH and are able to express their opinions very good. And it's nice to read their 2 cents and sometimes try to debate with them (debating/discussing is not bad). The opposite is true, there are very good posters who like NH. It's cool to have differing opinions, discuss, find common grounds and learn. But I can't learn from people who immediately go on a "my opinion is a fact". I can't learn from people who state something but can't backup what they're saying.

Trying to discuss something about NH, even on this forum which I find much much better than other parts of the Internet is sometimes just a lost cause. The discourse is often way too poisoned, even if I have tried my best to use the ignore list as much as I can (which btw, anyone can ignore me if they dislike my lenghty posts or whatever about me).


I guess I never learnt my lesson, but following the great advice of not discussing a topic on a discussion forum, I'm staying away from these kind of threads were people aren't interested on discussing. Hope everyone can keep enjoying the game they want. Oh and Happy Turkey Day (or Harvest Festival for the ones that don't like NH).

 

[MidnightAura]

I don’t think it’s fair to say anyone with a negative opinion should use the rant thread. By that logic all the positive threads should be discussed in one thread. I don’t think anyone hates the game, if they did they wouldn’t be here.
And has already been said it’s not okay to shut down anyone’s opinion because it doesn’t match your own. And that applies to whatever side of the fence you are on.

I can’t speak for others but my love for the older games is not nostalgia nor do I want to relive my childhood, I didn’t start playing Animal crossing till my teens. i never played the first Animal crossing game till I was an adult. I like New Horizons, I appreciate it has some things which it does well but I prefer the older games and that’s why I play them more.

I also don’t visit the forum every day but when I do it’s mostly positive which is totally fine, if I have something to contribute I do In those threads. I really like much of 2.0 so I was playing the game rather than discussing it.

 

[Sara?]

Oh hey look, it didn't take long for this thread to derail into 'angry defenders against angry bashers' You don't see me coming into threads about 'NH appreciation' trying to start stuff. You don't like reading the OP's thread? Simple, don't go into the topic. You said the same thing to OP. Don't play the game. Follow your own words and don't engage in the thread.

I get it. This game is 'the best' and 'the worst' depending on what side of the fence you look at. As far as a designing simulator goes, this one is the best of the best. If designing is not your cup of tea, than you're not really going to be able to enjoy or utilize the game to its fullest potential because many other parts of the game were placed on the backburner. I liked the other aspects from the other games, so to me NH really doesn't fill that part as much as the other games. The paid dlc is pretty much a designer + package.

With that said, the update definitely brought life for the game to me. To much was missing that they thankfully brought back or made new. And I have enjoyed it for what it is. The only thing I would like would be multiplayer games and the such. Going online with my friends to play the mini-games was the most memorable part.

We're all entitled to our opinions, at the end of the day, but let's try to keep our behavior in check? The world can be a pretty crappy place, but we're not making it any better by being rude and petty to others. Let's try to bring some positivity to this closeknit community and respect each others opinions. You don't have to agree with them and that is fine, but be better than that.

completely agree with every single word you have written!

Specially the sadness for the lack of online activities,more so now i guess, since we have to pay in order to use online features. I really had hoped for online activities to have come up in this last update but o well nothing to do there anymore