I want to understand why some people despise New Horizons

[Lanstar]

Spouting opinions about how things could be better is always welcome because who doesn't want the game to get better? I love the Animal Crossing series and would hate for everyone to just shout endless amounts of praise and love everything just because it's Animal Crossing. People did that with the Pokemon series and look what mess it turned out to be. I don't want the same thing for Animal Crossing.

We bought a game with hopes it would be better than its earlier games like it always had been. Since it isn't really in a lot of ways, we're disappointed and have every right to be. To me, it's a shame it sold well. That means they know they can get away with that low standard for the next game(s).

But constantly spouting the same problems about the game again and again and again and again again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again on every thread available to do so really gets tiring and old.

I've seen forums regulate constant nagging spam like this: Months ago, the primary Animal Crossing subreddit has banned the use of what are called "Lisa Simpson Suggestion" memes. Why? It was turning into low-effort spam in the sub, due to easy karma - and many people got tired of the macros screening out actual in-game posts. In Bulbagarden, they have a section limiting heavy discussion about the character Goh, even though there's a huge amount of justified hate against him. Why? Because the constant nagging and flamewars was taking over the rest of the anime discussion, and because it was exhausting to read in every discussion thread.

I wish this forum had a stopblock of some kind on "I don't like x" posts and "Why do you hate x" threads like this - limit them to the rant thread, please! It's annoying to see devvy-downers and complainers pop up in EVERY. SINGLE. CONVERSATION, spamming complaints and criticism all the time.

 

[-Blue-]

Than don't make threads asking why people aren't as happy with that game as you are.

 

[6iixx]

Than don't make threads asking why people aren't as happy with that game as you are.

i think what lanstar was trying to say, is that they'd rather just have one specific thread for that kind of a discussion, instead of seeing people complain about the lack of furniture in NH compared to NL in every single post they make - whether it's an appropriate thread to be saying that or not. because i've noticed it as well. people are just trying to get constructive criticism, ideas, help, etc., and there always has to be one post that doesn't fit into the original topic, and it's just a debby-downing post that honestly had no business really being there in the first place.

for example, when someone's asking for more information on golden flowers because it's their first time playing an AC game, no one needs to post on it going, 'yeah but they're ugly anyways.' there's a time and place for everything. and in my opinion, 'toxic positivity' is still toxic.

as someone who hasn't played any of the AC games prior, i've only seen them played periodically, i can't compare NH to past games. i can see what i have in front of me and agree with some points; bulk crafting, purchasing, etc., but honestly.. they're not game breaking mechanics that are going to ruin the game for me.

i have as many hours in NH as i do because i enjoy playing the game, and for someone who doesn't TT, i still have a lot to experience. and i'm looking forward to every darn second of it.

personally, i think people just need to remember that not every installment of a game is going to be the same as the last. and other people are going to enjoy those different aspects more, or not enjoy those different aspects more. everyone has an entitled opinion, but at the end of the day, that's all it is: your opinion.

 

[charmingpeach]

I feel like many messages here have been very insightful and they have explained quite accurately why this game receives negative feedback, which is what OP asked for. But I feel like OP is disregarding and attacking them instead. I don't mean this in a bad way whatsoever, but why ask for an opinion if you are not going to respect it whatsoever? It's fair that people feel this way about the game, and they are on their right to feel so given they are a consumer just like you are. If anything, it's blind positivity I don't like... we don't grow from that, one does need to learn from their mistakes to get better right?

I myself want to stay positive with the game, I know it has its lows, but I want to hope the future is bright with it. They have the base game already, they only need to add up onto that now. I suspect the first year would be dedicated to finishing making the events and then, they are free to actually go ham on the game. The biggest reason why I believe they might go with this is because the game is still in version 1.5, and with Splatoon, the big releases have been released as 2.0 or 3.0. Now, I'm aware this might just be me daydreaming, but I agree there's simply a lot of things I want in the game still that many others must want too.

 

[Corrie]

But constantly spouting the same problems about the game again and again and again and again again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again on every thread available to do so really gets tiring and old.

I've seen forums regulate constant nagging spam like this: Months ago, the primary Animal Crossing subreddit has banned the use of what are called "Lisa Simpson Suggestion" memes. Why? It was turning into low-effort spam in the sub, due to easy karma - and many people got tired of the macros screening out actual in-game posts. In Bulbagarden, they have a section limiting heavy discussion about the character Goh, even though there's a huge amount of justified hate against him. Why? Because the constant nagging and flamewars was taking over the rest of the anime discussion, and because it was exhausting to read in every discussion thread.

I wish this forum had a stopblock of some kind on "I don't like x" posts and "Why do you hate x" threads like this - limit them to the rant thread, please! It's annoying to see devvy-downers and complainers pop up in EVERY. SINGLE. CONVERSATION, spamming complaints and criticism all the time.

Random negative comments that have nothing to do with the thread they're posted in definitely are a problem but I think constructive threads are valid. Having a thread talking about which music you like and then another with the music you don't is fine. (Technically it could be blended into one thread but you know).

 

[Lanstar]

Random negative comments that have nothing to do with the thread they're posted in definitely are a problem but I think constructive threads are valid. Having a thread talking about which music you like and then another with the music you don't is fine. (Technically it could be blended into one thread but you know).

Those threads are fine with me, as long as the talk about the threads really is about music.

The problem is I'm seeing people using those music criticism threads as a justification for criticizing TV as well. After all, TV has music in it, so I get to spam what I hate in TV as well, right?

In this thread, it asked why certain people despise New Horizons. What happened is became a wishlisting and complaining thread from people who don't despise the game, but rather just have other issues with it. After all, 'Disappointed/Annoyed' is similar to "Despise", right?

Similar disconnects happen when when people spam "MOARZ furniture" and "Bunny Day Disaster" in thread after thread as well, and I'm getting tired of it.

 

[TheKryptoKnight]

Those threads are fine with me, as long as the talk about the threads really is about music.

The problem is I'm seeing people using those music criticism threads as a justification for criticizing TV as well. After all, TV has music in it, so I get to spam what I hate in TV as well, right?

In this thread, it asked why certain people despise New Horizons. What happened is became a wishlisting and complaining thread from people who don't despise the game, but rather just have other issues with it. After all, 'Disappointed/Annoyed' is similar to "Despise", right?

Similar disconnects happen when when people spam "MOARZ furniture" and "Bunny Day Disaster" in thread after thread as well, and I'm getting tired of it.

This is extremely well said! Thank you for posting this, even if it gets lost in the din.

 

[meggiewes]

In this thread, it asked why certain people despise New Horizons. What happened is became a wishlisting and complaining thread from people who don't despise the game, but rather just have other issues with it. After all, 'Disappointed/Annoyed' is similar to "Despise", right?

Well, that might be the problem with asking that question here instead of on a place like Reddit or Twitter. At least on Bell Tree, even those who complain about New Horizons still really, really like playing it. I can only think of a couple of posters who might claim to hate the very essence of the game, but they still play it a lot so they must love Animal Crossing as a series. It is the reason why I still visit the Sims forums even though I really dislike Sims 4. It is my favorite game franchise and I love it even though I think EA is ruining it.

Personally, if I really despised and truly didn't like a game, I wouldn't be on a fan forum to complain about it. You won't find me hanging around a Call of Duty or Fortnight forum to just complain about how I dislike shooters.

 

[kayleee]

I love this game but it definitely lacks something that both WW and NL had. I played those games a LOT and I can't distinctly remember feeling bored/burnt out by them. The thing is, I can't figure out what exactly NH is lacking especially since it seems to add a lot more game-play wise (terraforming, decorating outside, crafting, etc). I think the villager dialogue may be part of it; I barely ever talk to my villagers in this game because the dialogue just isn't very interesting. And I definitely miss rude villagers

I have to say, I think the amount of freedom given for terraforming/decorating can feel overwhelming and chore-like. Don't get me wrong, I love being able to customize my island, but sometimes it feels overwhelming to the point that I don't even want to play and I already went through a burn-out period last month. The new update did bring me back though and I've been playing fairly regularly so I suppose the fact the game gets routine updates is a good thing

 

[Jacob4]

Those threads are fine with me, as long as the talk about the threads really is about music.

The problem is I'm seeing people using those music criticism threads as a justification for criticizing TV as well. After all, TV has music in it, so I get to spam what I hate in TV as well, right?

In this thread, it asked why certain people despise New Horizons. What happened is became a wishlisting and complaining thread from people who don't despise the game, but rather just have other issues with it. After all, 'Disappointed/Annoyed' is similar to "Despise", right?

Similar disconnects happen when when people spam "MOARZ furniture" and "Bunny Day Disaster" in thread after thread as well, and I'm getting tired of it.

i agree with you that people complaining & wishlisting in threads where it obviously isn't relevant should be discouraged, but someone attempting to give insight on why some people might despise the game despite not despising it themselves is still very much a relevant topic of the thread imo, and pointing out the issues with the game and what is left to be desired is doing exactly that

surely we can't expect only people who absolutely despise the game to make a comment in this thread? this is a forum where the majority of the people in it are going to like the game to an extent after all

 

[niko@kamogawa]

But constantly spouting the same problems about the game again and again and again and again again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again on every thread available to do so really gets tiring and old.

I've seen forums regulate constant nagging spam like this: Months ago, the primary Animal Crossing subreddit has banned the use of what are called "Lisa Simpson Suggestion" memes. Why? It was turning into low-effort spam in the sub, due to easy karma - and many people got tired of the macros screening out actual in-game posts. In Bulbagarden, they have a section limiting heavy discussion about the character Goh, even though there's a huge amount of justified hate against him. Why? Because the constant nagging and flamewars was taking over the rest of the anime discussion, and because it was exhausting to read in every discussion thread.

I wish this forum had a stopblock of some kind on "I don't like x" posts and "Why do you hate x" threads like this - limit them to the rant thread, please! It's annoying to see devvy-downers and complainers pop up in EVERY. SINGLE. CONVERSATION, spamming complaints and criticism all the time.

You're not wrong. I seen a lot of threads that people kept posting over and over such as "unhappiness" with their islands. (I am sure the people here are trying their best to give a good advice. It's not as bad as you think as compared to other communities.) Although, I have to agree that we need to have a place for all of these. In fact, we do have a dedicated rant thread here that people should use.

Sadly, this thread is inevitably going to lure those posters you mentioned. (They are still within topic though albeit more into complaining.)

We can't also deny the fact that we are getting new members here every now and then. Obviously, that will generate the same amount of discussion that we had before.

Personally, I am a firm believer that the community here really loves the game despite all of these repeated exchanges. It's all about managing them ensuring that it won't spew toxic discussions.

By the way, I am still on topic. We are still trying to understand why we are getting these responses in this thread.

 

[Neprezi]

You're not wrong. I seen a lot of threads that people kept posting over and over such as "unhappiness" with their islands. (I am sure the people here are trying their best to give a good advice. It's not as bad as you think as compared to other communities.) Although, I have to agree that we need to have a place for all of these. In fact, we do have a dedicated rant thread here that people should use.

Sadly, this thread is inevitably going to lure those posters you mentioned. (They are still within topic though albeit more into complaining.)

We can't also deny the fact that we are getting new members here every now and then. Obviously, that will generate the same amount of discussion that we had before.

Personally, I am a firm believer that the community here really loves the game despite all of these repeated exchanges. It's all about managing them ensuring that it won't spew toxic discussions.

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding here, but what exactly is wrong with people talking about their criticisms of the game in a thread where that's specifically what the OP asked for? Granted this thread may be a little redundant considering there's already a rant megathread, but coming into a complaint thread just to complain that people are complaining seems... very weird to me.

It's one thing if people were coming into random unrelated threads just to say "OMG THIS GAME SUX!1!", but OP asked why some people "despise" (using despise very loosely, as someone already pointed out I doubt that many people on an AC fan forum flat out hate NH) the game and it seems like generally people have remained on topic and were fair in explaining their reasons for disliking certain aspects of the game.

If seeing people criticizing the game bothers you so much, maybe don't click on a thread titled "I want to understand why some people despise NH"?

Also, this is more in response to what Lanstar said than you, but lumping in everyone who has valid criticisms as just being "debbie downers" is unbelivably reductive and doesn't do anything to make the discussion less toxic.

 

[niko@kamogawa]

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding here, but what exactly is wrong with people talking about their criticisms of the game in a thread where that's specifically what the OP asked for? Granted this thread may be a little redundant considering there's already a rant megathread, but coming into a complaint thread just to complain that people are complaining seems... very weird to me.

It's one thing if people were coming into random unrelated threads just to say "OMG THIS GAME SUX!1!", but OP asked why some people "despise" (using despise very loosely, as someone already pointed out I doubt that many people on an AC fan forum flat out hate NH) the game and it seems like generally people have remained on topic and were fair in explaining their reasons for disliking certain aspects of the game.

If seeing people criticizing the game bothers you so much, maybe don't click on a thread titled "I want to understand why some people despise NH"?

Also, this is more in response to what Lanstar said than you, but lumping in everyone who has valid criticisms as just being "debbie downers" is unbelivably reductive and doesn't do anything to make the discussion less toxic.

There's nothing wrong really. In fact, I am perfectly fine with criticisms. After all, it can still drive a good discussion to talk things about how Nintendo can improve them. It's a form of feedback in a sense.

I am just reiterating to @Lanstar's post of why are we still getting these redundant responses. I believe he or she wants a way to control them because it can potentially lure unnecessary flaming.

 

[TheKryptoKnight]

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding here, but what exactly is wrong with people talking about their criticisms of the game in a thread where that's specifically what the OP asked for? Granted this thread may be a little redundant considering there's already a rant megathread, but coming into a complaint thread just to complain that people are complaining seems... very weird to me.

It's one thing if people were coming into random unrelated threads just to say "OMG THIS GAME SUX!1!", but OP asked why some people "despise" (using despise very loosely, as someone already pointed out I doubt that many people on an AC fan forum flat out hate NH) the game and it seems like generally people have remained on topic and were fair in explaining their reasons for disliking certain aspects of the game.

If seeing people criticizing the game bothers you so much, maybe don't click on a thread titled "I want to understand why some people despise NH"?

Also, this is more in response to what Lanstar said than you, but lumping in everyone who has valid criticisms as just being "debbie downers" is unbelivably reductive and doesn't do anything to make the discussion less toxic.

Everything you said here is on point, but I think what's happening in this thread is a little more meta for the forum. There are users who make negative comments in nearly every thread on the forum, and I think frustration with that is just coming to a head here because this topic explicitly is about negativity. The comments you're seeing complaining about negativity aren't so much about this specific thread, but more the negative comments that bleed into every single other thread on the forum. There are users who would go into a thread titled "I love how green the grass is in NH!" And reply "It sucks that it was greener in NL". I think that is what is inspiring the frustration here. I can't speak for anyone but me of course. Just my thoughts anyway.

 

[6iixx]

Everything you said here is on point, but I think what's happening in this thread is a little more meta for the forum. There are users who make negative comments in nearly every thread on the forum, and I think frustration with that is just coming to a head here because this topic explicitly is about negativity. The comments you're seeing complaining about negativity aren't so much about this specific thread, but more the negative comments that bleed into every single other thread on the forum. There are users who would go into a thread titled "I love how green the grass is in NH!" And reply "It sucks that it was greener in NL". I think that is what is inspiring the frustration here. Just my thoughts anyway.

^ exactly what i was trying to point out, and i think that was lanstar's initial point as well.

 

[Lanstar]

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding here, but what exactly is wrong with people talking about their criticisms of the game in a thread where that's specifically what the OP asked for? Granted this thread may be a little redundant considering there's already a rant megathread, but coming into a complaint thread just to complain that people are complaining seems... very weird to me.

It's one thing if people were coming into random unrelated threads just to say "OMG THIS GAME SUX!1!", but OP asked why some people "despise" (using despise very loosely, as someone already pointed out I doubt that many people on an AC fan forum flat out hate NH) the game and it seems like generally people have remained on topic and were fair in explaining their reasons for disliking certain aspects of the game.

If seeing people criticizing the game bothers you so much, maybe don't click on a thread titled "I want to understand why some people despise NH"?

Also, this is more in response to what Lanstar said than you, but lumping in everyone who has valid criticisms as just being "debbie downers" is unbelivably reductive and doesn't do anything to make the discussion less toxic.

If we were asking about why some people 'despise' the game, we'd first need first hand the info about people online who actually 'despise' the game, and see what they actually have to say. The fact that no one, not even the OP, actually gave info about such people, it feels like the whole premise of this thread fell into a disaster in the first place.

Thus, we end up with people reasoning, "No info? Let's just theorize by say what we, who still play the game, dislike about it!"

I.e.: We never quite get why specific people despise the game because we have hardly have references of it mentioned in the first place - just our own theories.

And yes: My issue about the 'debbydowners' I explained goes more towards other threads forumwide than this one: Certain people constantly complaining the same issues they have about the game on every thread they have the chance, however irrelevent it is about the actual topic. It's getting very tedious and tiresome, and is ruining the enjoyment of reading the new threads in general.

 

[Jacob4]

Everything you said here is on point, but I think what's happening in this thread is a little more meta for the forum. There are users who make negative comments in nearly every thread on the forum, and I think frustration with that is just coming to a head here because this topic explicitly is about negativity. The comments you're seeing complaining about negativity aren't so much about this specific thread, but more the negative comments that bleed into every single other thread on the forum. There are users who would go into a thread titled "I love how green the grass is in NH!" And reply "It sucks that it was greener in NL". I think that is what is inspiring the frustration here. I can't speak for anyone but me of course. Just my thoughts anyway.

if that is the case that's understandable, i don't really go around too many threads on here so i'm not really sure to what extent that happens

it sounds like it would be best to keep complaining & wishlisting from users in a single thread (the main one is ACNH Rant thread i believe, so probably that one) by moderating complaining/wishlisting outside of that thread, along with moderating the creation of threads that will lead to the same responses as the ACNH Rant thread (complaining/wishlisting)

 

[Zane]

I know WAY more people that bought a Switch for other games. And besides you could have just given up NH and played NL
Sell your Switch and NH if you are so disappointed in it. You obviously think it is garbage anyways.

I have to say this doesn’t read as a constructive reply, especially coming from the person who made the thread apparently wanting to understand other people’s unhappiness with the game

 

[Eureka]

In this thread, it asked why certain people despise New Horizons. What happened is became a wishlisting and complaining thread from people who don't despise the game, but rather just have other issues with it. After all, 'Disappointed/Annoyed' is similar to "Despise", right?

Thank you for bringing this up! I was starting to feel like I was reading the rant thread when this is supposed to be for people to explain why they despise the game, not just reasons why they think it could be better.

 

[daringred_]

i think it speaks volumes that the people with valid criticisms on a thread essentially directed at them got driven away by people claiming to be all about positivity and saying that negative opinions are inherently more toxic (not even remotely true), ironically proving that it's in fact the positive people behaving more toxic. amazing.