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I want to understand why some people despise New Horizons

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I know WAY more people that bought a Switch for other games. And besides you could have just given up NH and played NL
Sell your Switch and NH if you are so disappointed in it. You obviously think it is garbage anyways.

I also know a few people who got a Switch for NH, but they also ended up buying other games for it too.

You could have easily put it down instead of playing something you hate. No one is forcing you to play JUST NH. You could go back and play a older AC game.
You obviously haven't read my posts.

If you had bothered to read them, you would have seen where I've stated how much I love the game and think it could be perfect.

I've also been playing AC since 2005.

I came to share opinions with other adults who may be feeling the way I do.
I don't need to be attacked for that. :(

Over & out.
 
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i think it speaks volumes that the people with valid criticisms on a thread essentially directed at them got driven away by people claiming to be all about positivity and saying that negative opinions are inherently more toxic (not even remotely true), ironically proving that it's in fact the positive people behaving more toxic. amazing.

This is really aggressive for no reason.
The "positive people are the real problem all along" narrative is completely missing the point. Anyone who's unwilling to admit anything positive OR negative about the game is not being constructive.
 
This is really aggressive for no reason.
The "positive people are the real problem all along" narrative is completely missing the point. Anyone who's unwilling to admit anything positive OR negative about the game is not being constructive.

if you think this is aggressive, i've got news for you and a recommendation of reading back through this dumpster fire of a thread. nobody said positive people are the problem all along either, that's just you putting words in my mouth because it makes you feel better and if you bothered to actually read the responses from the ""debbie downers"" plenty of them expressed both a like and criticism for the game. jesus christ.
 
i think it speaks volumes that the people with valid criticisms on a thread essentially directed at them got driven away by people claiming to be all about positivity and saying that negative opinions are inherently more toxic (not even remotely true), ironically proving that it's in fact the positive people behaving more toxic. amazing.

That is not what I'm talking about. Please read what I said: It's a forumwide problem - not this thread alone - of people posting negativity in threads that is totally off topic in the first place.
 
That is not what I'm talking about. Please read what I said: It's a forumwide problem - not this thread alone - of people posting negativity in threads that are off topic.

last i checked, i didn't mention names, it was a general observation, but it says something that you assume it's targeted at you specifically.

regardless, it's textbook hypocrisy. everyone's allowed to be positive in every thread and say what they love about the game everywhere, whether it's topically relevant or not, but ""negative"" people aren't allowed the same freedom? a'ight.
 
last i checked, i didn't mention names, it was a general observation, but it says something that you assume it's targeted at you specifically.

regardless, it's textbook hypocrisy. everyone's allowed to be positive in every thread and say what they love about the game everywhere, whether it's topically relevant or not, but ""negative"" people aren't allowed the same freedom? a'ight.
Yeah, it's almost like you're on a fan forum for an extremely well-liked series or something.
 
last i checked, i didn't mention names, it was a general observation, but it says something that you assume it's targeted at you specifically.

regardless, it's textbook hypocrisy. everyone's allowed to be positive in every thread and say what they love about the game everywhere, whether it's topically relevant or not, but ""negative"" people aren't allowed the same freedom? a'ight.

No.

It's a little thing called """""context"""" of when and what to post in specific threads, whether or not it's positive or negative. And people are spamming the exact same complaints about the game in too many threads - even if it's not the topic of those threads.

Would you like it if I brought up something you liked, but I disliked in EVERY thread you read?
 
wow it's almost like nothing is perfect or flawless and people are going to have valid criticisms about things they otherwise enjoy or something.
There's a pretty major difference between acknowledging a game you like has problems, and constantly whining about it's same issues every chance you get regardless if it's relevant or constructive.
 
There's a pretty major difference between acknowledging a game you like has problems, and constantly whining about it's same issues every chance you get regardless if it's relevant or constructive.

the main difference being that it's rarely the latter, it's just y'all using hyperbole because you're more personally impacted due to disagreeing with them lmao. and like i said to the last person: double standards. if they're not allowed to "whine", why should y'all be allowed to gush incessantly.
 
this isn't even worth dignifying with a response jesus christ-
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wow it's almost like nothing is perfect or flawless and people are going to have valid criticisms about things they otherwise enjoy or something.

I really want to cite specific posts in other threads, but I don't want to call anybody out. This would be a lot easier with examples.

No one is saying that the game is perfect or all criticism is invalid. No one is saying it's always wrong to criticize. Characterizing the argument like that is disingenuous.

What is being said is that the negativity doesn't need to seep into every single thread. If someone is excited about crafting halloween DIYs, but someone else hates the crafting system, the second person doesn't need to come in and make a comment about how crafting should be removed in a thread about loving halloween DIYs. Time and a place. Go to the rant thread.
 
I really want to cite specific posts in other threads, but I don't want to call anybody out. This would be a lot easier with examples.

No one is saying that the game is perfect or all criticism is invalid. No one is saying it's always wrong to criticize. Characterizing the argument like that is disingenuous.

What is being said is that the negativity doesn't need to seep into every single thread. If someone is excited about crafting halloween DIYs, but someone else hates the crafting system, the second person doesn't need to come in and make a comment about how crafting should be removed in a thread about loving halloween DIYs. Time and a place. Go to the rant thread.

i'm convinced at this point we didn't read the same thread and i literally just read the whole thing in one sitting.

if negativity doesn't need to seep into every thread, neither does positivity. it works both ways, simple as. people are allowed to have opinions. this thread asked for ""negative opinions"" and then got railroaded by the positivity people seemingly deciding that wasn't allowed but somehow that, being the reverse, is fine? okay.
 
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This is a thread asking why others hate the game. The author said hate, but I know they mean the criticism more than someone having boiling hatred for the game.

I just had my birthday and so I experienced the b-day skit. New Horizon's b-day script is leagues better than NL's. The pinata strike, blowing out the candles, and the gift exchange. It's a really nice set up compared to just 'happy birthday, make a wish!' So there are definitely things this game has done way better than previous installments and that makes me happy. At the same time, the other things I mentioned in like my first or second post are things I am not so happy with. I still play the game and will do so for some time.
 
Because constant unhelpful complaining is annoying, and people enjoying a game and having fun isn't.

criticism isn't unhelpful and harmless opinions are just that as well as, shock horror, equally as allowed. if you don't like that there is literally an ignore feature on this site that takes five seconds to use if that. i find people's incessant positivity annoying sometimes but you don't see me being a donkey about it/them because it's harmless, has nothing to do with me, and they have a right to their opinion(s). it's not a hard concept to grasp.
 
criticism isn't unhelpful and harmless opinions are just that as well as, shock horror, equally as allowed. if you don't like that there is literally an ignore feature on this site that takes five seconds to use if that. i find people's incessant positivity annoying sometimes but you don't see me being a donkey about it/them because it's harmless, has nothing to do with me, and they have a right to their opinion(s). it's not a hard concept to grasp.
Sure, the complaining would be helpful and warranted if Nintendo actually listened. They don't. So I fail to see how complaining about things nobody on this forum has control over again and again and again is constructive in any way. Nobody likes a debbie downer- that's pretty elementary, common knowledge. It's not that criticism or complaining in general over this game bothers me, it's the neverending mulling over the same problems over and over in threads where it's not even relevant. There's a rant thread, not sure why it's not contained there.
 
I honestly think a lot of criticism about the game stems from the fact that it's ultimately trying a new thing and revolves around a completely different concept than even New Leaf, which while departing from a lot of (by that point) overdone AC things in favour of doing things differently, is still a fairly standard AC game at heart (even bringing back a load of GC-era stuff as a way of showing that).

There's a video from Tama Hero I watched recently where she was reviewing Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire and she talks about the plot of the game (two evil teams, one of who wants to expand the land and one of who wants to expand the sea) which to an outsider doesn't make sense at all, but if you're aware of the issue of land reclamation that was a thing in the late 1990s (which is basically a real version of what the two evil teams were doing) and the fact that either way, some damage was being done, makes perfect sense. She also mentions that ultimately, everything in the game fits into this idea of a conflict between humans and nature, and the ways we as humans try to work with nature itself. She also covers a comment she received on her review of Pokémon Gold, Silver and Crystal about the fact that the postgame where you go to another region entirely fits with the thematics of that game's idea of progression in time and tradition versus technology.

The themes of ACNH are a lot more obvious in comparison, but like the Pokémon games, a lot of the mechanics service the idea that you've moved away from somewhere else to a deserted island somewhere and are now able to help build a new life there: the crafting, the trying to get villagers to come to your island and the remodelling and decorating your island being the most obvious. Even the update system works within the idea that you're building a civilisation on a deserted island because the updates happen overnight for me, so in the morning new features get announced through Isabelle's announcements, like swimming being unlocked because of how they've completed a marine survey. This is ultimately in many ways a good thing: for the first time since Wild World, the world of Animal Crossing is apart from the rest of the world Animal Crossing exists in and therefore feels alien, unpredictable and more organic than LGTTC and NL, in part due to the new update system being implemented. Characters who had shops in older games either are implied to have shops elsewhere (like Reece and Cyrus, or the Able Sisters initially) or are travelling around the islands (like the visiting characters in the roster at the moment), and the fact we genuinely don't know what's going to happen in the future is ultimately interesting!

However, I also feel most of the bad things people point out are also inherently part of the game's theme too (either that or they're there for very specific reasons, like the bulletin board whenever you have someone fly to an island, which is basically a very elaborate loading screen where the game has to stop for a while): the tools breaking, the lack of NPCs, Isabelle's messages, being unable to craft using stuff from storage or bulk craft... all of these things are designed for engagement with the world you live in... as much as having a QOL update would rock in a few ways, it's also missing the point of Animal Crossing entirely by getting rid of a lot of the grind and life simulation that AC is designed around, and most of my actual criticism of the game is actually based around the fact that some of the QOL changes actually kinda suck? (like how I think flowers and trees not dying makes the game seem ironically more dead, moving all the smaller events to the Nook Stop is both incredibly handy and basically making these events suck more (given they were always lesser events than Toy Day or Halloween), or how TAHK0 on Twitter pointed out how giving the Able Sisters a changing room removes most of your interaction with the shop itself)

Personally, I'm going to criticise the game for having villager dialogue that cuts off too quickly (although I'm not gonna go "WUHH MEAN VILLAGERS bc that's overused and at its very worst descends into "couldn't do that nowadays" and then into general reaction, although they could stand to be mean at you whenever you don't do something for them), the fact that there's seasonal crafting stuff that could be events but isn't, the fact that villagers don't ask you to do stuff for them often enough (although they always wanna buy my fish and bugs?), the fact that they STILL haven't brought back the competitions from Wild World despite the fact that they were the best way of doing fish and bug stuff, ditto the weird atmospheric stuff from Wild World like the bulletin board messages of the week, and the fact that accessing your storage can't be done outside your house... but I could honestly do that with EVERY Animal Crossing game at this point, because I still feel as if it hasn't found the perfect version of Animal Crossing yet, and as much as people hold up GC or NL as perfect entries, I'm personally unconvinced.

But at the same time, New Horizons is still pretty new. It's got plenty of room to grow, and maybe it'll become Animal Crossing: Ultimate at some point? We'll never know. But you've ultimately got to look for the good in it. It's there, from the fact YOU CAN PUT VILLAGER PICTURES ON WALLS NOW, from the fact YOU CAN MAKE THE JAPANESE RURAL ISLAND VILLAGE ANIMAL CROSSING ALWAYS WAS BUT BETTER, from the fact THE GAME IS DAMN HILARIOUS... it's not a perfect game, and honestly it's a damn frustrating game sometimes. But you've gotta think about it as that. Not the BEST GAME EVER or WORST GAME EVER (because Amiibo Festival's just sitting there) but as a thing with good and bad parts, as well as annoying stuff that's intentionally annoying.

Sorry for text dumping, but that's basically my take. Bye!
 
Sure, the complaining would be helpful and warranted if Nintendo actually listened. They don't. So I fail to see how complaining about things nobody on this forum has control over again and again and again is constructive in any way. Nobody likes a debbie downer- that's pretty elementary, common knowledge. It's not that criticism or complaining in general over this game bothers me, it's the neverending mulling over the same problems over and over in threads where it's not even relevant. There's a rant thread, not sure why it's not contained there.

then make a positivity thread. balance it out. problem solved since you seem to think it's all so black and white.

you can't prove nintendo doesn't listen. and even if they didn't, it still doesn't a) give you the right to essentially bash people for not agreeing with you or b) discredit their right and ability to say any harmless opinion they want. personally i don't see the constant whining you seem to insist exists. maybe one person, granted, but that's hardly cause to paint everyone unfairly with the same brush. also different threads tend to equal different people and even if that wasn't true, it's far from a stretch to understand why people would assume it is.
 
If I was to say what bothers me the most about this game, it's that they took out the island mini-games. Most of the time when I joined my friends, we always found ourselves back at CT messing around with one of the games. It was always the go-to whenever we visited. Now my friends never want to visit or host. I've visited their island once or twice when they wanted to tour what they did, but after that it kind of stopped.

That's what bothers me the most about the online aspect of it. For offline mode and just doing my own thing on the island, it's the villagers. It's a combination of things and they just aren't doing it for me like the other games. I feel like I even enjoyed New Leaf's villagers more and I remember complaining how they were too friendly and your friends right away. I feel like there's a medium they haven't quite reached, except for WW. Some want mean villagers, but AC-GC was just too rude. But NL and NH took it too far on the other spectrum.

But I do remember liking the villagers in the other installments more. Yes, I could add this to the rant thread. But you know the author wanted to know why we felt a certain way.

If updates come and bring back certain things like Tortimer/mini-games, Brewster/Roost, villager's visting your home/vice-versa, than it'd be one less thing that I was not so happy with, at first. And someone mentioned they had found the villager thing when data-mining. So that'd be cool if that turned out to be true.
 
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I wish this forum had a stopblock of some kind on "I don't like x" posts and "Why do you hate x" threads like this - limit them to the rant thread, please!
Although, I have to agree that we need to have a place for all of these. In fact, we do have a dedicated rant thread here that people should use.


As a note, please do remember that the use of the user-created rant thread is not enforced by the TBT staff team. It is not an official thread for content of this nature, therefore people are absolutely welcome to make threads to discuss aspects of the game they dislike and should not feel as if they are limited to posting in that thread only. If you dislike threads of this nature then please don't click on them, thank you.
 
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