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I think finding a balance between the extremes is key. Also I would hope it's not just a massive majority on a specific player day 1 unless they confessed or slipped. As in an extreme slip and not just a "oh you said 'the town' you must be a wolf" type of thing.
I don't have a -ton- of stuff to discuss with you but you're in my towncore for the amount of catchup mindmelds I had with you as I was reading, you are your typical nitpicky self and come off as chill which is what I'm used to seeing with you. If I'm going by my notes alone you wouldn't really be in my towncore though.
Wasn't a fan of this post if just because my notes had more takeaways and small moments to look at in these specific pages, I spent hours on the five pages and came out with a fair amount of notes on them that weren't just Aerious/Dino so it not only comes off as shading them for being distracting and dominating the discussion with...a mess but also it just felt like a lazy comment to make, no matter how casual you are in blatantly saying it. Like you weren't caring about solving beyond something mega obvious. You've since done more but it really pinged me.
And so you consider chaotic nature NAI for him? I've only seen him as scum once and he was really hovering over the thread until there was something he could jump onto that could lead to a mislynch, at which point he started going in depth and showing his analysis etc. But it's a single game for a player who has showed he can pull off great games as either alignment and change up his style. The closest this matches to is the first game he played here but even there he was much more reasonable and was actually giving reads. I might find some in an ISO but atm I don't remember him giving any reads at all so far this game except Ace (?) I can doublecheck later.
Anyways now that he's made a hard PR claim how do you feel about where he was leading things?
As for the stuff in regards to Cake...like I'm not going to sit here and do some scientific breakdown of why wording 'slips' aren't successful, I'm just going by my specific experiences as a player and a spectator of games, I've seen this specific wordage slip accusation thrown around and I can't even remember a time when the person on the receiving end wasn't town.
i expect shawo to do one of two things in his coming posts and that will be the most AI, he has very high self preservation
i typed that earlier but then when he came back to the thread i realised he doesn't feel any pressure on him is threatening so i guess that's not happening
Yeah don't telegraph anything he should or shouldn't do to appeal to you explicitly please. I agree that he's got a high sense of self preservation which regardless of alignment here, he's out of character. Do let us know if he hits those things you do find the most AI from him though.
i mean, Tom did the same thing as mafia so there's definitely a pattern with it.
cakes post itself was safe, they made a very non controversial statement by criticizing aerious' motivations for claiming.
to be clear i tend to agree with the post itself. but it's kind of ironic since it was a criticism that's self defeating "you did it because you wanted to prevent [chaos of blues claiming] from happening"
but the post itself just feeds into that [derailment/chaos/whatever]
Was Tom set up to be lynched for wording things the way he did when he was mafia in whatever game you're referring to? Honestly, unless there's a SHOOP moment that is actually really scumtelling things like this can be said by either alignment. The town often means the gamestate more or less.
idk I just find this a bit reachy that just because someone isn't being controversial means they're wolfy for playing it safe, especially considering all the bs that has been discussed as it is, why start more of it?
RT because i'm pretty sure me and everyone else in this game missed this post from feferily? you said you were only ten pages behind but like how do you miss aerious from d1 at that point when like the entire first ~10 pages are about aerious.
I give this a hard +1 it's understandable to miss or not remember anything but saying you've at least read the first half while not knowing if anyone has made a claim or discussed it is a big oof. And Fefe has been noticeably absent where others are trying.
I straight up passed out too yesterday morning, you know.
@voltairenism
A) did that tag work for you because they still aren't working for me which is weird
B) Who's your current list (preferably in order) of lynch candidates? Last night it seems you just had one person on it which probably isn't the best idea.
Hello everyone I just woke up and gotta be out most of the day but I just have two quick questions: Does the King change after every Night phase?
And is the first King randomly selected or were they appointed by Km?
I gotta treat this the same way I treated Unravel but the difference between you two is level of contribution so I'm more forgiving and willing to lean that it's the type of thing that's an uninformed player that doesn't have a scumchat.
I have to go to work now but I feel like Shawo is playing off the idea of Areious is being paranoid about people claiming important roles... Like they didn't say anything about roles until Areious went on that giant tangent. Not defending any one here and I've never played a game with them so I don't really know everyone's styles
I didn't think it came off as you defending anyone unless you mean Aerious? Irregardless what I've bolded is very -very- often a scumtell and was worth bringing up.
Gm it is way too early for me. I went back and read a ton through the thread again.
Here's my thoughts on some sus people:
Dino was getting quite heated over some small things which honestly could have been solved through just calming down and restating their point. This def reads as paranoia for me.
Volt I'm not going to make a conclusion about until I hear their choice lynch today. This matters to me because in the off chance volt is maf and happened to be crowned their team will know this and feel safe throwing accusations around because they know none of them will be at risk of being lynched.
Areious I was sus about because they kept bringing up points of contention for very small things and dragging the conversations out. THEN blaming others for wasting D1 discussing it when they were the main perpetrator of the convo. BUT they did bring up a good point about Sidney.
Sidney went from saying she had little leads to go off to throwing a ton of players under the bus. She did ask for coaching but it's still a little odd. Like someone spoonfed her answers.
Shawo I genuinely believe blue claimed for self preservation. Saying 'I have a very important role for the town' is a moot point if vt roles are what counts for the town's numbers at the end of the game. On the off chance they are a blue role they just put a huge target on their back fro no reason. I believe they did this to eat night protection from Doctor/role blocks from the mafia but if they are town this strat is very self-centered. (Like someone else said) they do this every game and Aerious role-claiming early was not going to stop them.
If there are 8 vanilla towines (plus the blue roles) I'd peg: Geoni
Ness
Ace
glow
Volt (unsure)
Epona?
for town right now. That leaves 3 players open for being maf. But I'm not sure how many are usually rolled in a 15 player game.
Feferily, unravel and Guav@ I can't really pin rn as they don't have much written yet.
Is Aerious' point about Sidney the same point you go over in the line below? I feel pressed for time to search myself and there's a lot to remember.
Why are you bringing up the 'eating the night protection/roleblocks' thing in regards to Shawo? A good townie knows not to bring that up if they think it's what's going on.
I gotta treat this the same way I treated Unravel but the difference between you two is level of contribution so I'm more forgiving and willing to lean that it's the type of thing that's an uninformed player that doesn't have a scumchat.
I didn't think it came off as you defending anyone unless you mean Aerious? Irregardless what I've bolded is very -very- often a scumtell and was worth bringing up.
Is Aerious' point about Sidney the same point you go over in the line below? I feel pressed for time to search myself and there's a lot to remember.
Why are you bringing up the 'eating the night protection/roleblocks' thing in regards to Shawo? A good townie knows not to bring that up if they think it's what's going on.
He's since confessed this wasn't his intention (but why would he) and that he's had a crazy and blatantly selfish anti-town plan, but Cake pointing this out is a mindmeld to me and a take I'd be agreeing with at the time.
Possible Wolf
Fleshy - I know is our first time playing together, but that mention of me being town is awry, since is basically everything the suggested so far.
I gotta treat this the same way I treated Unravel but the difference between you two is level of contribution so I'm more forgiving and willing to lean that it's the type of thing that's an uninformed player that doesn't have a scumchat.
I didn't think it came off as you defending anyone unless you mean Aerious? Irregardless what I've bolded is very -very- often a scumtell and was worth bringing up.
Is Aerious' point about Sidney the same point you go over in the line below? I feel pressed for time to search myself and there's a lot to remember.
Why are you bringing up the 'eating the night protection/roleblocks' thing in regards to Shawo? A good townie knows not to bring that up if they think it's what's going on.
The first point about me asking questions on King roles was just me being unfamiliar with the Kingmaker setup. I could have PM'ed Dan but figured I'd ask publicly in case anyone else had the same questions.
I was making the point that Aerious making a big deal out of the role claim (in a way) made Shawo do what she didn't she didn't want him to do anyway. He probably would have claimed regardless but Aeri making a big deal out of it the first few hours then going 'See! I knew he'd do it all along!' was dumb.
Yes Sidney could very well have been spoonfed her answers by her coach or could of had a teammate tell her who to voice her suspicions on. I don't know at this point and I'm hoping she chimes in.
Shawo said this themselves. I have to dig a bit bc I'm on moblie but they made a vauge post after they claimed blue saying at worst they'd take a role block from the maf and taunting other players to try to kill them for the night phase.
1. He/Him, just Fleshy is fine too
2. GMT (UK), I'll try to be around for EOD, but might be less active at night. I'm working but should have plenty time to play still
3. This is my fist game back since 2017 (IIRC). My mafia experience is solely TBT, lots of games around 2016/2017
4. I'd plan to stick with majority unless I have a strong feeling about someone and in that case I'd like to go with my instinc but I may be swayed to the majority regardless
5. Mainly listen to everyone, pay attention. The same as always
I'm not going to derail more and hone in on Aerious' claim, I don't agree with claiming an hour into the game but I understand why it was done, it'd be a bold move as mafia, bold move in general actually. Seems more of a town move than anything else, weak town lean right now but nothing solid.
Shawos posts stand out, nothing of substance, 5/6 posts mention being PR or an "important role". I get that it's a joke, but why go that hard with it that it's the entirely of your posts thus far? Seems off. It's empty and confusing and I don't see that as pro-town esp. this early on in the game where there's already so little to base reads on. Then again, not familiar with his play and I'll be waiting for more substance from him
I'll normally be around at this time, and dissapear around the time I did last night, or a little earlier.
Rightfully so, honestly. I know it's weak but I don't have many thoughts on anyone else who has been active so far, there hasn't been too much said I also find some players, you for example, hard to read. The only thoughts I really have right now are on Aerious and Shawo.
I'm hoping the game will pick up throughout the day and I'll manage to get some proper reads out
As someone who mentioned being sus of Shawos first posts, I think this is odd. Based on what, 'softclaiming' PR? I think it's pointless and anti-town too, but also most likely just a joke - why suggest a kill based on so little, especially when we haven't seen a lot from others or even Shawo himself, seems like something that could likely result in a VT kill right away, which we want to avoid considering their weight in this game. The first execution should be well thought out, after hopefully hearing more from all players.
I'm not defending him per se and my reads haven't changed, as I said I do still think him jokingly softclaiming PR or whatever it was was pointless and doesn't benefit town, but I don't think that's even near close to enough to suggest him being executed unless we're reaching EOD and have nothing else to go on or no stronger scum leans elsewhere. Directly suggesting someone for execution so early on without formulated reads on everyone - or at least most - people in the game is questionable in all honesty, even if to stop us going in circles.
Can I ask why you have your eyes on those you do? What messages in particular? Any elaboration is helpful.
My suspisions are growing here. Constantly dropping mention of being town, or never been mafia in the past makes me raise a few eyebrows, the first mention I get, but otherwise it really just seems like you're trying to plant a subtle seed into people's mind that you're town by mentioning it so frequently. I'm generally unfamiliar with your play, but this along with suggesting Shawo be executed based on so little just doesn't sit completley right with me.
Understandable, it's been so long since I've played here and honestly should have read upon a few more games to gauge players' meta before just throwing myself right back into it
Just to clarify, I found Ace suggesting Shawo be executed based on so little to be questionable so I mentioned my thoughts on that as it happened. Then as I was reading back on the thread to gauge everyone I took note of how many times he had mentioned always being town and never being scum in the past and I found that, along with suggesting Shawo be executed as eyebrow-raising. I'm slightly sus but I'm not scum reading him, or "going" for him
Which put a target right on your back from the get-go, I just don't know why you'd draw so much attention to yourself right from the start if you're truly PR
First three posts are 2 forum related things and 1 RQS answer to questions that didn't ask about reads. Across 10 posts you have that can be analyzed with any depth you have only explicitly given a read on 3 people (Shawo, Aerious, Ace). Before I reached the point of Shawo really buckling down on his PR claim I found the posts where you were talking about Ace (8 and 10 but it kinda extends back to 6&7) to come off as defensive and given all of the ambivalence and your lack of reads across the rest of the playerlist I feel like it's kinda TMI in retrospect and that you're positioning to look right on someone Volt was seriously considering lynching. TMI in a coasty kind of way because of how you've talked about very few other people.
Could you provide some townreads (people you would be willing to vote with should this be a normal game) as well as people you'd veto being kinged? Or just talk about other people than these three in general?
Shawo said this themselves. I have to dig a bit bc I'm on moblie but they made a vauge post after they claimed blue saying at worst they'd take a role block from the maf and taunting other players to try to kill them for the night phase.
What I'm getting at is why place a spotlight on something you don't need to?
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@Ace Marvel I wanna burn through Shawo and Aerious next but if I have you around here, why was I a yellow in your rainbow earlier on? You were even asked to explain your yellow reads and never really did.
@Ace Marvel I wanna burn through Shawo and Aerious next but if I have you around here, why was I a yellow in your rainbow earlier on? You were even asked to explain your yellow reads and never really did.
Because you can never should be town cleared this early into a game and you know it. If anyone clears you this early they are either new or plain mafia, but I have no reason to suss you directly, so you yellow. Same can be said about the town core I just sent.
I'm still collecting thoughts but I think opening the discussion for the lynch now is better than like 2 hours before EoD *sigh*
My thoughts for lynch are unravel, fleshy and dino. Unravel came back and brought up again the convo long dead saying "it's a waste of time", yeah, hence we are not talking about that anymore. fleshy, even saying I was concerned with how theyve playing the game, they answered defensively and havent come back for more of their insight, so wonder if this might bring more from them. I explained what I think about dino in my other post.
Also, I feel very anxious and I'm second-guessing everything I am doing or saying but I'll be more helpful if I'm here for day 2
Because you can never should be town cleared this early into a game and you know it. If anyone clears you this early they are either new or plain mafia, but I have no reason to suss you directly, so you yellow. Same can be said about the town core I just sent.
1 already explained
2 Epona has been playing pro town all game so far so there is not other reason to think otherwise
3 As King, I have a null view, Volt should be readable once the roll is passed
4 Town not much to say other that the tone and play style is newbie town
5 Might change it to town, since all the drama yesterday, but I still don't get Shawo motives
6 Could be mafia, using an antihero character that probably no one would cc is a good cover, but the intentions behind it could be town.
7 Awesome
8 Moving Fleshy to red, not much too offer other that I'm town and jumped into the drama.
9 Qween I'm going town, but too early too tell
10 Out of the Charlie's Angels is the least town, but I think this with get resolved with Aerious.
11 Town I see all interactions between Ness and Epona as v/v
13 Change to town, gameplay has been more town sided
14 Null - Remy has been mostly absent so I can't make a read.
15 Epona brought good points, I wouldn't mind if they get axed today and I didn't like the white text on bit.
Same can be said about me, but town crazy sided. My main difference with Shawo is that I don't do what I do to self preserve if it goes against town.
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If you look at my past games here, I'm never voted out, just killed at night. I always get to almost, but there will always be a bigger target.
Also this game should not be considered meta, because I honestly trying to play rationally.
I mean from the start we dont get shawo and his crazy tricks, I hope whatever he's doing is pro town cuz one time he fake claim as cop and all mafia decided to kill him and the next day everyone including myself reacted. I feel like he's playing town as solo like he doesn't trust anyone himself trying to be benefit as town ehhh you get what I mean but yeah I somewhat believe his hint claim for now knowing him anyway he will pull some stupid stunt in game anyway.
I dunno much about fleshy im just neutral on him, as for aerious it changes my perspective on her to null and not slight scumlean she made some points and some of them just confuse me/other people so i cud say a slight misunderstanding. I don't mind if me, Dino and fleshy got lynch on first day tho you don't get any benefit for lynching me tbh thats on you
Sidney went from saying she had little leads to go off to throwing a ton of players under the bus. She did ask for coaching but it's still a little odd. Like someone spoonfed her answers.
wasn’t trying to throw anyone under the bus, I was directly asked a couple times to share my thoughts so I started attempting voicing what I was seeing. I said earlier but, I don’t have a coach
I’m unfamiliar with the meta so most of the players on my watchlist are those causing chaos and/or that have been pointed as susp by others
I’m honestly unsure atm what I can directly contribute to the convo to help at this time, since we know so little for sure
I’m still not certain about any of my “reads,” as they’re more people I’m just kind of watching for now. Dunno. We’ll see how it goes, I guess
sorry for the lack of earlier response, I was asleep
I mean from the start we dont get shawo and his crazy tricks, I hope whatever he's doing is pro town cuz one time he fake claim as cop and all mafia decided to kill him and the next day everyone including myself reacted. I feel like he's playing town as solo like he doesn't trust anyone himself trying to be benefit as town ehhh you get what I mean but yeah I somewhat believe his hint claim for now knowing him anyway he will pull some stupid stunt in game anyway.
I dunno much about fleshy im just neutral on him, as for aerious it changes my perspective on her to null and not slight scumlean she made some points and some of them just confuse me/other people so i cud say a slight misunderstanding. I don't mind if me, Dino and fleshy got lynch on first day tho you don't get any benefit for lynching me tbh thats on you
if people think shawo and i aren't w/w, i'm the one with a proven motive. i did something blatantly to avoid shawo doing the same thing, which he did anyways. my reasoning was confirmed. yet you townread him for chaotic energy and trying to help town when he's not a proven pr? and i get scumleaned for something people keep claiming was chaotic, despite the notion that i did it to try and mitigate chaos? people can cry that i'm chaotic all day long; however, townleaning shawo for something arguably worse and selfish isn't a great sign. at least be consistent in your reasoning. go off. makes me wonder if you and shawo are both maf
"Dino and fleshy got lynch on first day tho you don't get any benefit for lynching me tbh thats on you" you softing pr to try and avoid the elimination? or are you trying to guilt volt into keeping you alive as a townie? you don't mind dying later but wanna throw 2 others down before yourself? the defense is manipulative as hell
you've provided nothing thus far but the words of others. your rainbow list was lackluster, and now you've decided to pop up and provide reasons that don't make sense? town as solo bc he doesn't trust others? that's a sign of someone gunning for control and to take lead with nothing to back him up. he's now going to eat doc action, rb action (if he's not mafia), and let a townie die. you can't even articulate well how this is pro-town to you
takeaway: scumleaning unravel. i don't like this response after people begging her to contribute something. KM don't king me, shawo, dino, fleshy, unravel
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just read white text. pretty set on unravel up for elim
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obviously wait to see if she has a rebuttal before locking in an answer @voltairenism, but i'm not liking what i see so far at all
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k making this a whole wall, but shawo as pr makes no sense. why try to "stay under the radar" and then soft pr? and then claim pr? it's a bunch of dumbassery and i'm wary of those willing to believe it. maf has prs too, you know. his claim means nothing except he's not becoming king
I'm not gonna comment on the rest of your post because it's a solid argument, but I am gonna say to Volt please don't just vote for an elim all of a sudden, please at the very least post who you eventually choose and why FIRST since the day closes as soon as you post in the elim thread.
So far, please correct me if I'm wrong, but Volt has been considering: Me, you, Shawo and Fleshy.
This post appears to be softclaiming a PR?
I'm gonna call that out, because Shawo has also claimed or (whether jokingly or no) and the chances of so many town PRs in the lynch pool is insanely low.
FJL
