Mafia Island Madness - Town Wins

[Geoni]

@Geoni

Post automatically merged: Sep 22, 2020

Oops. Talk to me now since I won't be on EoD.

Post automatically merged: Sep 22, 2020

So first things first - I have nothing wrong with your info dump, I specifically mentioned that you did it in a previous game, and tried to draw parallels between the two games.

I do find the way you're doing it... odd. Like you have to know first and foremost that dumping info means that no one is going to respond to any direct message. Is there a specific response you want?

Second: reading the game in chunks like this also means you're probably not going to see any particular gameplan or gameplay from anyone. Are you looking for content or gameplay? This is especially since I know you DO iso everyone when you read the game, that I'm not sure why you're opting to read through the game chronologically versus ISO, is there a specific reason?

You understand that I both found mafia in mario kingmaker but also backed it up logically and consistently right? I mean, maybe this is you just telling me that you can understand me this game and not the other games, but I do this literally every game. The reason why I think it's bad is because I just assume you didn't read me in the like, 5 previous games we had. (granted I either died or the game ended d2.)

Anyways Geoni didn't respond and I'm gonna vote him and go to bed. It was between him and dinosaurz since I didn't really read anyone else, but I wanted my vote to be useful since there's no way I'm up before day ends.

Either way - I think Geoni is likely harder to kill, and if dino is going to die I won't need to be there.

I guess some closing thoughts would be - no one is really a hard townread for me on d1, but I think hikari is probably the closest thing I have to one. I'm fairly certain I explained both of my scumreads already so anyone coming back to read me can just iso me.

For the sake of not being plain old OMGUS does anyone else find these posts from Shawo bizzare? Dude isn't even making sense in that first one when he says info dumping means nobody is going to respond to any direct message when I have in fact actually had brief exchanges with people such as volt with them and he's expecting me to ISO even after I explained my schedule situation. Not even sure what he means when he asks if I have been looking for content or gameplay because I've been looking at people's content through my catch up? Like, it's very simple.

Him saying he didn't really read anyone but Dino and myself is also just really iffy. And I'm not sure why he feels so strongly about Hikari above anyone else who has been posting either. He's towny for me too but like...middle-lower in the pack townie.

 

[dedenne]

3. Dedenne (Anhka) - trying to be wary on dedenne since i've misread in the past. however the below inconsistency really bothers me:




why is it not AI but then a reason to townread dan?

also dedenne pls answer what traits you are seeing from daniel's meta that makes you think he's town in this game, i'm def curious on that as well

that is true, i guess its kinda just the bluntness of him saying it? i do think not answering an optional question isnt ai, so its more how he didnt answer it. (altho he did answer it in the end...)

being a very vocal player, kinda taking control of the game. i might be remembering wrong but his playstyle rn def reminds me of the previous games where hes been town.

 

[Geoni]

Also I fell asleep so it is what it is that I didn't respond to you Shawo.

I'm (kinda?) read up on most of the thread. Some of it is a bit skimmed. I have 10-15 minutes before I gotta head to my appointment.

 

[glow]

Him saying he didn't really read anyone but Dino and myself is also just really iffy. And I'm not sure why he feels so strongly about Hikari above anyone else who has been posting either. He's towny for me too but like...middle-lower in the pack townie.

i mean, he explicitly said that he didn't have a strong townread on anyone and just said that hikari was the closest thing so idk where you derived the "feels so strongly' bit

 

[dedenne]

and ye i do think no chop is a viable option, once we start getting flavour clues and more reads we can then be more confident about who we're chopping.

 

[Antonio]

what wolf motive do i have for not wanting to answer it? it wasn’t a hard question to answer

town does strange and unexplained things. wolves usually have a calculated reason behind their actions

Regarding your question, there's not a town motive for not answering the question therefore it doesn't make sense. You said it yourself that it was an easy question. Finally, regardless of alignment, people always have a motive behind their actions. There's no logic without reason, I believe the saying goes.
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Regarding my previous questions that appeared to come off as nothing, there was a post similar to the Bolded above that stuck out to me. It's almost exactly like that because it's a weird mindset for someone who is Town aligned to have. If you guys can still find a post like that, let me know.

The point being with my question is that a majority of people sort of agree that Mafia have to consider a town perspective. However, there's is no absolute truth towards how town aligned people should play. We don't know who is Town so it's impossible to come to a conclusion on what an overall town behavior should be.

The only people who know who's town aligned is Mafia. It's easy for mafia to come up with a conclusion on how town should behave because they are aware who is Town. They are the informed minority so they are more likely to have a solid interpretation of the game in the back of their minds.

Am I making myself clear?

 

[Damniel]

I know it's just one vote, but coming from the person set to be killed, is kinda of opportunistic, but if most players agree, I'm good with it, I have yet to see a no kill in action.

Post automatically merged: Sep 22, 2020

Quite the contrary, if we go the no kill route, we should NOT put our reads out, that is giving mafia ammo to chose their kill tonight.

there’s only one vote on me lol

i just don’t want people to flake out on doing reads if we go the no chop route

um are you taking the blackmailer into consideration here??????????

you mean one of us loses a vote? what about it?

 

[glow]

Also I fell asleep so it is what it is that I didn't respond to you Shawo.

I'm (kinda?) read up on most of the thread. Some of it is a bit skimmed. I have 10-15 minutes before I gotta head to my appointment.

ok then lets back off shawo as we NEED roleclaims before any kills happen and idk if he'll be awake. this is not optional

any opinions on cake?

 

[Geoni]

i mean, he explicitly said that he didn't have a strong townread on anyone and just said that hikari was the closest thing so idk where you derived the "feels so strongly' bit

It's his strongest pick, I should say. Looking at the thread there are people who have clearly been doing more to progress the game in town's benefit afaict.

 

[voltairenism]

glow i barely have thoughts but ill try my best

 

[MyLifeIsCake]

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alright i didn't want to bring this up too early since I wanted discussion on voting to still happen. but EoD is getting closer and there still isn't a general idea for a wagon. I actually think no chopping is a very valid option here

if we assume there's 3 mafia (based on the 3v12 games i played on MU made for balance), here's the numbers with no chop today v a mischop, in the worst case scenario that mafia get out a kill each night and we mischop each day:

mischop today and each day after- lose at a D4 mischop w a succesful N4 kill
not chop today and mischop each day after- lose at a D5 mischop

you can check the numbers for yourself, but not chopping today actually buys us another day. normally i wouldn't really bring not chopping up, but our opinions seem to be too splintered and personally im not super confident in anyone either. I think A D5 chop is better than a D1 chop, since we can work with the flavor clues to give us a bit more guidance. So i dont think that not killing anyone here means we have nothing to go off of D2, since we'll have flavor clues and the reads that've already come out

thoughts?

How would a no chop work for today? I thought the first player to reach the most amount of votes will be kicked anyway?

Post automatically merged: Sep 22, 2020

Oh shoot can the blackmailer erase one of their teammates votes??

 

[Damniel]

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How would a no chop work for today? I thought the first player to reach the most amount of votes will be kicked anyway?

vote no chop as if it was for a person

 

[Geoni]

ok then lets back off shawo as we NEED roleclaims before any kills happen and idk if he'll be awake. this is not optional

any opinions on cake?

...What are you even talking about?

As for Cake I found their tone gut towny but they'd been very lackluster and I think she was the one who said I reminded them of Endless last game which I am...definitely going to want explained that feels like really bullpoop shade thrown my way.

 

[MyLifeIsCake]

^^ Whoops dunno why that was attached form a previous reply

 

[Ace Marvel]

there’s only one vote on me lol

i just don’t want people to flake out on doing reads if we go the no chop route



you mean one of us loses a vote? what about it?

Yes but is not rand, so you are the candidate, and I don't see any wagons forming.

 

[Damniel]

im assuming blackmailers can cuz otherwise we can clear people off the blackmailer which is counter intuitive lol

 

[Geoni]

Oh cool I manifested Cake. Explain what you mean with that comparison.

 

[Damniel]

Yes but is not rand, so you are the candidate, and I don't see any wagons forming.

there are 4 votes. for me to be chopped would mean that everyone votes for one person. if anything guava is more likely to get votes from the most people

 

[DinoTown]

How would a no chop work for today? I thought the first player to reach the most amount of votes will be kicked anyway?

Post automatically merged: Sep 22, 2020

Oh shoot can the blackmailer erase one of their teammates votes??

If 'no elim' reaches more votes than the player with the most votes, there will be no elimination. But you must vote 'no elim'. Not voting doesn't count as a no elim vote.

And yes, the blackmailer can blackmail other mafia members.

 

[Damniel]

dedenne has been parroting what ive been saying lately i just noticed that