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Mafia Island Madness - Town Wins

i read volts post

cake/guava/me. Obvs cake is town. If you believe im mafia than that means I claimed to save myself, so my partners didn't need to support me at all. guava was pushed alot and has the most wolf influence in it if it was to save her

we know that cake's wagon was led by glow (town)

Ace and alek tunneled me with hikari just randomly joining in. I dont think ace or alek are mafia tbh. if hikari's slot is mafia, they didn't push my wagon they just joined and dipped

i think guava's wagon was primarily pushed by geo. no one really defended her but me and ace. she could've easily died with a blitz vote

imo, guava is town and wolves just let it happen
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at the very least guava is not a wagon i think we should default to
 
I'm not sure how much the guava counterwagon matters here. If it was TvT then mafia could just vote whoever, if it was TvM then the vote was super close and there was a potential for the wagon on cake to have been mafia lead.

I could go into that but I think most people have already talked about it. Mostly the (big a screenshot by Geoni).

I still don't necessarily think Geoni is town, notably I think I noticed Epona defending Geoni (more like deflecting off) was odd. Like she engaged in what I was saying, said my line of thinking was logical, but suddenly d2 she townreads Geoni. I mean obviously a lot of thought happened between EoD and SoD2, but I still think it was an odd switch to not really be explained. Particularily...

i'm ngl i really thought it could be glow but she is obviously dead
yeah i also think geoni is town here to be honest

which means daniel your dream towncore of you, me, glow, and geoni DID (momentarily) exist

These two posts I noticed while reading the ISO seem kinda contradictory. Epona says she scumread Glow for a sec, (at least I'm interpreting it that way, this ones a little ambiguous.) But follows it up that Daniel's dream towncore existed in Epona's mind?

I'm going to have to say that Epona has played a pretty lackluster game, and the fact that this is potentially a slip (in the sense that Epona forgot her own reads between posts on d2) means I kinda want an explanation because there's a good chance Epona is just hard mafia.

The interesting thing about Epona being hard mafia is that it doesn't actually mean Geoni is mafia or town, not that they have to be teamed or anything. Since there's been more than a few times where mafia just decides to townread someone, not with any particular reason. (usually that's a dead give-away.)
 
Crazy theory: Daniel took a shot, since more people would believe him to be a doctor to out the real doctor and mischop them, since no one claimed, Shawo did, meaning both of them are team and are gaining towncred, but in reality we don't have a doctor.
 
fwiw, looking at the worlds I'm considering, there's two pointy ears in each world and potentially more (only if Arcadia/epona are in deep)?

guava x dedenne feel like they could work
Ace x shawo feel like they could work

But again the only thing that can be made certain from the clue is that the mafia team isn't a combination of players that has 0 pointed ears among them.

This quote I think is one of the worst offenders.

@Geoni Can you explain how you reached this conclusion?

From what I can tell you just seperated a list of 6 into 3 groups of 2 and went. Yes, these are mafia.

There wasn't much of a basis. Dedenne/Guava is supported with your previous posts but me/ace doesn't really make much sense as a team. Unless you think both me and Ace voting you means we're both mafia? And arcadia epona?

I mean I think I'd like you to explain this post specifically because it just looks like bull lmao.
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Daniel we need to kill ace right now he knows too much.
 
MyLifeIsCake [5]: glow, volt, Damniel, guava, dedenne
Guava [4]: FinalArcadia, Geoni, Dinosaurz, MyLifeIsCake
Geoni [2]: shawo, Ace Marvel
Damniel [2]: Hikari, Alek
Dinosaurz [1]: epona

epona made a passing comment on "Do we vote cake" which was the most off comment IMO from EoD. also no real push on dino today and onto dedenne instead

my and guavas votes were self pres, so NAI there. Dedenne just went on cake and i dont really remember why tbh, but she expressed not being sure on anything at that time

Volt was actually very fluid with voting. they suggested several possible blitz wagons, which i kinda like since maf doesnt usually do things like that since uncontrollable voting is bad for them

Final had an weak TL on cake, so i can kinda get why she didn't vote cake. at the very least she's not teamed with guava since this vote is too close to comfort. geo mainly sussing guava i find is rlly weak since i think he's well aware she's just a wagon everyone tends to default to, and didn't express a strong SR on anyone else. Dino i dont really remember, but given cake was town, it wouldn't make any sense for him to vote guava if she's mafia. i think these votes mean guava is likely town tbh

shawo explains geo's vote long before and was a parked vote. ace i dont really know where the sus comes from since i only remember him believing he was my partner

i think hikaris vote on me is poorly explained and alek had tunnel vision on me

i think epona dino vote is bad and in general her EoD behavior isn't great, but her SoD2 behavior is a bit better
 
also literally no one including final arcadia acknowledged my vote on her. hm
I didn't even know that there was a vote on me because I click the notifications to go straight here and literally have not seen the vote thread except once this phase lol

Not really sure what to acknowledge though without you noting why exactly the vote is on me. I get that I could come across like lurking mafia because I don't post super often, but (sorry, I know I've mentioned the site I'm from a lot, it's just very different than here in style) I'm still trying to get used to things when I'm from a forum where getting even just 40+ pages for an entire mafia game's worth is high activity at this point
 
I think the last two I'm going to write a post about are Alek and Dino.

I said on d1 that I thought dino was mafia because they didn't post any content.

Then they continued to not post any content after acknowledging that, and someone said that they were town because of it.

I don't really think that makes sense, but I do think the dino scumread was probably a bit rushed.

Because alek is ALSO a bunch of filler. (and guava but they said they'll try today.)

Alek's iso didn't really feel reminiscent of the state of the game. If anything their first post (in iso) which they tried to get everyone to look at over and over again was a high effort post, and after that there was a lot of content that didn't really matter.

I've made a similar complaint about Geoni, but I do think they've made.... better(?) posts after catching up to the thread. Which was cool I guess. But I just feel like a lot of Alek's posts come out as "related to the game but not really helpful" kinda similar to... what you'd expect from mafia who wants to post something of value but is a bit awkward about it.

It also kinda reminds me of their game from my very first mafia on this site. Where they were mafia.

Lastly - I said I kinda townread hikari but I'm going to wait for their sub before I give any ~official~ opinion about it.

Finalarcadia idk. They were the one who said that (albeit pretty good) dino line. But I don't have much in the way of an opinion about them.

So yeah, glow's my only townread, ask me anything.
 
Crazy theory: Daniel took a shot, since more people would believe him to be a doctor to out the real doctor and mischop them, since no one claimed, Shawo did, meaning both of them are team and are gaining towncred, but in reality we don't have a doctor.
ngl, this was an a thought that crossed my mind too, but no doctor seems even wilder than having two
 
Daniel we need to kill ace right now he knows too much.

check the wolf chat i have a counter plan

oh wait

yea this is better
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Crazy theory: Daniel took a shot, since more people would believe him to be a doctor to out the real doctor and mischop them, since no one claimed, Shawo did, meaning both of them are team and are gaining towncred, but in reality we don't have a doctor.

if no one claimed, why not let me be the only doc claim then lol
 
im willing to work with geoni today i think he is looking for towns best interest so far
yeah i also think geoni is town here to be honest

which means daniel your dream towncore of you, me, glow, and geoni DID (momentarily) exist

Either of y'all give my posts analysis to reach this because I don't recall it and idk, just feels like there is usually more paranoia about me. I townlean both of you fwiw but I wouldn't mind knowing how you reached this?

Geoni has a clear preference for Damniel, pocketing much...
And who started the chaos? Geoni.
And who wanted cake dead? Geoni.
And who killed Daisy? Dobie AKA Geoni

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we've had so much flavor and mechanics talk without shawo smh

I was going to delete this from the quote group I got for this post but I'm keeping it just for the sake of it not aging well cause I woulda told you to just wait for him to claim something.

sorry, missed this before when I was here!

in regards to guava, I still mafia lean on them, and I think it's more common that mafia jumps onto established wagons than starting them when they're not trying to act as town leader. The pointed ears thing fitting guava also doesn't help, and of the pointed ears group, guava would be the one I'd most likely vote right now if I was going to vote atm.

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was this a serious post D1 or a joke one? if serious, why do you see a potential pair there? if not, then sorry, i'm bad at reading things right lol

They can act as town leader but not someone like guava so yeah. I'm still here on that.

Everyone, answer this question!!!

Are you the doctor? Damniel claimed doctor. Can you CC if you're here?

1. @FinalArcadia (Lolly)
2. @voltairenism (Coco)
3. @dedenne (Anhka)
4. @Ace Marvel (Colton)
5. @guav@ (Monique)
7. @Damniel (Vesta)
9. @Dinosaurz (Pietro)
10. @Hikari (Poncho)
11. @Geoni (Dobie)
12. @epona (Whitney)
14. @shawo (Raymond)

@Alek please don't do this again, just wait for someone to cc and if nobody does just assume uncc'd. I know when I'm wolfing I find prs by seeing how everyone handles talking about or and I don't think you mean harm by it but it can be harmful.

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i think the pointed ears clue is bait. it narrows the pool down to ~50% (7/12) but it distracts from the other half of players. given that maf know the clue b4 hand like, wouldn't you want to maximize the impact of the clue?? go for something just general enough to cast a wide net of sus but not so specific that u can immediately figure out who it is???

+ its v curious how colton has pointy ears, but not in an obvious way, which is feeding my susses on ace. & re: arcadia, yes i was serious abt sussing volt/ace, it seems too (s)chummy.

If DinoTown is baiting as a host what game did I even join lol?

Why does this feed your susses on Ace and Arcadia alone like...what was your read there before cause I don't have that readslist right in front of me.

You yes-manning the volt/Ace thing is concerning to say the least.

I have like, 20 things to say, and the first one is that I am doctor....

HOWEVER. BIG HOWEVER.

I asked dino if there could be multiple docs in the game, and they said yes.

I doc saved Dan cuz I figured I could clear them/myselves if they really died. But... Dan didn't die.

I don't necessarily townread Dan because I think the Glow death was odd, but I'm claiming because if I die that means Dan is mafia for not saving me.

I have a lot more posts to go. And class in a sec.

Big old bullpoop right here.

omfg
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first of all what the hell
second of all i don't think we vote anywhere within dan/shawo today

I'd still be willing to vote Shawo today.

Second: regarding the mafia kill.

It makes sense to go in the "pointed ears category" which. Is the worst riddle I've ever seen.

Because logically speaking, the only mafia who would lead a kill would be the mafia goon, so if we lynch in "pointed ears" and we lynch a non-vanilla pr, we actually know that there's still a goon in pointed ears. There's a big caveat here in that mafia can't have any goons at all, but that actually gives a logical reason to go inside rather than outside.

It really depends on whether or not mafia knows what the clue will be ahead of time. They'll send whoever can handle being in the group affected by the riddle regardless of them being godfather or mafia pr. Speaking of which a godfather not mind it at all if it baits an inspection onto them, especially if they know the clue beforehand. Feels like you are going in a strangled direction with the information we have.

welcome to the towncore for now shawo

Veto'd

NTM the blackmailers can just go on docs. There's actually probably any easy way to confirm daniel.

Daniel claiming as PR means that mafia would've had to blackmail them if they weren't going to kill him, so if there's a way that we can test if Daniel's vote is really blackmailed it could work. I think this is likely super stupid though.

Anyways, I have a bunch of reads from d1 I'm going to get to, since I didn't get to post them yesterday.

Same applies to this in regards to the 'mafia has to blackmail them' thing. If you know something is super stupid you're just performing.

dino said before KP is at 1

This felt like an unfaked moment where Alek lacked the information a member of the mafia team would have had so I feel the townread reinforced.
 
If I don't consider it content then it's not content!

But yeah I haven't actually iso'd you since that one time d1, and I wasn't here for EoD to make any large assumptions.

but man it's like, when I skimread the thread, usually it's really easy to tell who's been participating in the thread based on who I remember. And I do not remember a single post from you.

Like at all.
 
if no one claimed, why not let me be the only doc claim then lol
Because no one really bought your claim and it open the perfect window to do something like this, specially something Shawo has no problem doing.
 
Geoni have you considered catching up to the thread before you make a big wallpost that's not relevant to the state of the game :')

Even if you want to vote me there's no point, going in docs is suboptimal, there's no RB so at the very least, you can get me IF daniel ever dies.

I mean I think this wallpost has the same issue as all of your previous wallposts. Where you talk about stuff that's so far back and trying to keep it relevant... and then it's just... not? I feel like you've brought up topics we've already talked about and it's genuinely hard to get a read on you for it.

Echoing thoughts is usually an sr, but in your case it's hard to read because I genuinely do not think you have caught up to page 81 yet. You're just.... posting.
 
If I don't consider it content then it's not content!

But yeah I haven't actually iso'd you since that one time d1, and I wasn't here for EoD to make any large assumptions.

but man it's like, when I skimread the thread, usually it's really easy to tell who's been participating in the thread based on who I remember. And I do not remember a single post from you.

Like at all.
? Do you mean like any posts. or just big posts.
 
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