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Mafia Island Madness - Town Wins

well, i asked dino if there could be multiples and she confirmed it. she also confirmed doc could self protect to me, and then she confirmed it into the thread

dino didn’t post the exacts in the OP from the beginning, she only updated it after we asked. this is more of a host issue

if you’re not a PR, these are not conversations or thought processes you have with the host
 
Damniel said:
well, i asked dino if there could be multiples and she confirmed it. she also confirmed doc could self protect to me, and then she confirmed it into the thread

dino didn’t post the exacts in the OP from the beginning, she only updated it after we asked. this is more of a host issue

if you’re not a PR, these are not conversations or thought processes you have with the host
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Damniel said:
also say, a PR is aware there could be multiples of them, thus not needing to necessary oppose the claim but also not need to claim themselves
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anyone could also just ask if there could be multiples of the same role and host would confirm it
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"a PR is aware there could be multiples of them" doesn't mean the PRs asked if their could be multiples, it means they are made aware of it since the beginning. You can't be made aware of something if you have to ask, you are told what you should be aware of.

She didn't also confirm it into a thread, @Dinosaurz asked then she confirmed it.
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All my previous questions still stands as literally you didn't answer them but deflected
 
Alek said:
a PR is aware there could be multiples of them" doesn't mean the PRs asked if their could be multiples, it means they are made aware of it since the beginning. You can't be made aware of something if you have to ask, you are told what you should be aware of.
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the “also say,” before what you bolded indicates what i’m about to say is a possibility, the possibility that a specific PR is aware that there were multiples (had they asked)

you can rewrite it is as:

“Let’s imagine a case where....”

the “say” has a powerful meaning here

because we had to ask for the specifics of our role (such as duplicates), i said “say” indicating a PR may not have known about this had they not asked. I knew this, but i wasn’t going to go out saying “hey everyone there can be multiple role” unless there was another doctor claim

i don’t think anything i say will satisfy you. i can fully defend myself, you’re just not accepting what i’m saying. i am not a wolf here, but i am one to never slip, especially several times as you claim

i like to keep my cards close to my heart and not play my hand when i need to. if you just can’t get over how vague i can be, so be it



i believe alek to be town but i’m done with engaging with them if things are just going to be like this the whole game since this is getting us nowhere
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Damniel said:
when i need to.
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don’t need to*
 
That's understandable, it's late and my mind didn't realize what you were proposing was a hypothetical situation. I apologize. However, you messaging DinoTown about self protection doesn't really correlate with Dinosaurz asking about it. I'm still confused on that if you can elaborate.

Regarding the situation, what benefit would a PR have for keeping such information to themselves if they did ask in DM? I still don't think any PR role would have come to that conclusion about there being more than one if there was no implication about the possibility to begin with? If anything, holding such information doesn't make sense really.
 
Alek said:
That's understandable, it's late and my mind didn't realize what you were proposing was a hypothetical situation. I apologize. However, you messaging DinoTown about self protection doesn't really correlate with Dinosaurz asking about it. I'm still confused on that if you can elaborate.

Regarding the situation, what benefit would a PR have for keeping such information to themselves if they did ask in DM? I still don't think any PR role would have come to that conclusion about there being more than one if there was no implication about the possibility to begin with? If anything, holding such information doesn't make sense really.
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im not going to explain anymore on this until the next phase (if i survive). just think long and hard of the possibilities. you don’t need to understand it now, just let it be
 
I don't think you surviving to the next phase is beneficial to the game, especially if you aren't going to reply "unless you survive". Won't you die during the night time because you already stated you voted for yourself and Shawo said he voted for you for some reason.
 
i didn’t protect myself. i still have the ability to put a save on me. i made that clear earlier
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@Geoni any update on what you think of my analysis on the wagons?
 
Yeah I've been wanting to get to the post in question and will probably just have to be brief about it cause it is prob getting late for you, I don't think it needs to be a longpst anyways
 
This aint mafia, this is:
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Damniel said:
MyLifeIsCake [5]: glow, volt, Damniel, guava, dedenne
Guava [4]: FinalArcadia, Geoni, Dinosaurz, MyLifeIsCake
Geoni [2]: shawo, Ace Marvel
Damniel [2]: Hikari, Alek
Dinosaurz [1]: epona

epona made a passing comment on "Do we vote cake" which was the most off comment IMO from EoD. also no real push on dino today and onto dedenne instead

my and guavas votes were self pres, so NAI there. Dedenne just went on cake and i dont really remember why tbh, but she expressed not being sure on anything at that time

Volt was actually very fluid with voting. they suggested several possible blitz wagons, which i kinda like since maf doesnt usually do things like that since uncontrollable voting is bad for them

Final had an weak TL on cake, so i can kinda get why she didn't vote cake. at the very least she's not teamed with guava since this vote is too close to comfort. geo mainly sussing guava i find is rlly weak since i think he's well aware she's just a wagon everyone tends to default to, and didn't express a strong SR on anyone else. Dino i dont really remember, but given cake was town, it wouldn't make any sense for him to vote guava if she's mafia. i think these votes mean guava is likely town tbh

shawo explains geo's vote long before and was a parked vote. ace i dont really know where the sus comes from since i only remember him believing he was my partner

i think hikaris vote on me is poorly explained and alek had tunnel vision on me

i think epona dino vote is bad and in general her EoD behavior isn't great, but her SoD2 behavior is a bit better
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https://www.belltreeforums.com/threads/island-madness-day-1.575058/page-45#post-9617604 guava has null read on cake, I will keep this as a link cause I'm too lazy to quotespoiler it

guav@ said:
vote cake :)
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This is after she wanted to vote Alek for being distracting

guav@ said:
hello is everyone else just gonna pretend like cake isn't trying to sort out who dan is gonna protec to elim a chance for a no kill for maf??? like??????????? ??????????
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Finding reasons at EoD to sus instead of just saying they were null but wanted to self-preserve even if null

So like... I'm not sure why you are wanting to have her be townread on the merit of it being self preservation when that wasn't how she seemed concerned with presenting it

Furthermore just because someone is easily lynched and I did say that one thing about guava lynched being a bad signifier one time doesn't mean she's not going to be suspected for being a really wolfy looking player in this game for me
 
Damniel said:
i didn’t protect myself. i still have the ability to put a save on me. i made that clear earlier
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@Geoni any update on what you think of my analysis on the wagons?
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I clearly am misremembering, I need to sleep.
 
There are other points in that post too, arcadia and Epona for example, will have to touch up when it slows down
 
it’s not about guava’s own vote on cake. it’s how the wagons work if guava is mafia. if so, who are her teammates and what was happened that swayed it away from her
 
i don’t think guava herself has proven to be town, but i really just see the wagons as town v town given its leaders. i think it’s most likely that wolves were just complacent in the wagons, and were indifferent to either one
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like, aside from guava being individually sus, i want to know how her being maf plays into the larger picture of how D1 went down
 
Damniel said:
it’s not about guava’s own vote on cake. it’s how the wagons work if guava is mafia. if so, who are her teammates and what was happened that swayed it away from her
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Guava and Dedenne are the answers to both questions, both were the last two votes on cake that tipped the scale after you voted, both jumped on cake giving what felt like opportunistic justifications
 
Geoni said:
Guava and Dedenne are the answers to both questions, both were the last two votes on cake that tipped the scale after you voted, both jumped on cake giving what felt like opportunistic justifications
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guava voted for self pres im not going to look into further than that. dedenne i guess could be teamed but i’m not really sold on it
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but i’ll admit that both of them need to put in more work today
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also interested if you think guava was being bussed or the 3rd partner was on a completely different wagon
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i forget did you TR hikari
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last question: what do you make on glow’s death?

will read your responses to these in the morn
 
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