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I had a low tier townlean on Hikari that crept into on the fence territory moving into today and the he says he's subbing out so :/
Dino and Arcadia shared the wagon with me, felt good about both and still do, although I think Dino is giving me less analysis than Arcadia so if there was a busser it would be him but I don't really think so, I think off wagon
If you really don't want to look further into guava's eod being beyond self pres then you are willfully turning a blind eye to the way she presented her self preservation and how it was opportunistically progressed given previous reads on cake being null. Or we just brutally disagree here which is just disappointing really
Glow died because she has an anime girl avatar
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Glow died for having an anime avatar and I am not going to look any further than that.
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Someone said they were going to ISO glow to make something of the kill did they deliver?
No, they were not told.
Also when you say "image given by role", are you asking about role cards and role PMs? I will not answer questions relating to them.
Still catching up but I am ANNOYED and have a lot to say
watch this space. Btw there’s not two doctors one of you is lying
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Oh. Wait
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Ok I have to go buy a new TV but I think you’re all asleep anyway so it doesn’t matter
can I just say that what I complained about in kingmaker is happening again. People going rogue and claiming left right and centre makes it impossible for other people to solve them
I think we all need to be more conscious about working as a unit and playing to the communal wincon as opposed to doing whatever for our own game bc I’m frustrated
I'm here I am just braindead after my shift and have been spending some time with my snake.
What will make this less frustrating epona?
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I think playing another GTH might help create a unit, pushing new evaluation and rethinking old ones. Speaking of which I wouldn't be able to do it until after like 3:30pm EST. Another appointment.
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Dan is apparently taking a pilgrimage of bad takes and I don't want to share that journey. And I mean I disagree with a lot of his takes. I don't think he's a wolf yet but I'm concerned there will be very little compromise I can agree with so far? Struggle.
geoni currently im not really that into looking too hard into guava or dedenne yet. yes i townread shawo for now. are those my bad reads? i’m trying to ask about reads such as volt, hikari, epona and arcadia but i find you’re vague with them at best. i don’t think you’d need my help to make a guava wagon happen, it’ll probably just happen anyway and i’ll see if i join in then anyway
epona, do you townread both shawo and me? it seems you do here
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we don’t really need to create a gth, like planning one i feel just lets wolves think in advance how to sort their read.
we can alternatively just post a reads list from each of us a good from there
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to be fair i’m like really sure one of my town reads is a wolf so i’m willing to let things go there. i can let you do your thing with guava but i’m also more interested in other people atm
i think shawo is town
there is a world where you are mafia and also a world where you are town
i am trying to find you do you see what i am laying out here
we still have more than 24 hours to start working together. i believe we can do this.
here’s a list of my PoE from don’t want to chop to do, for today
Subbing out
hikari- i’ve already voiced my opinions here. i think wolf equity is very possible, but i’ll wait to solve the replacement before i make that firm decision
Not wanting to chop today
shawo- I’ve expressed that we’re not 100% sure whether or not there’s 2 docs. one of us dying the next phase will put the other is direct heat, which is why i think solving the other next day is more helpful with that flip. Shawo came into claim doctor without being in direct sus or even necessarily CCing me, so the only wolf motivation i can find is it just to avoid a chop for a while
epona- i think her EoD was pretty bad i’ll admit. but i’m starting to get a sense of frustration and confusion that’s genuine. i think epona is a strong player to work with if town, so i’m good with trying to see where working together goes
geoni- I think we have like opposite reads now. trying to get a TR on him is a bit tricky when he’s trying to sus out people im not really for chopping today. i think he does want to work with me but is struggling to find common ground, but i’d like to elaborate on his more middle of the ground reads
Middle ground
Ace- his death tunnel on me and geo is just so reminiscent of his past town plays. I will admit that he isn’t clear on most players (or even the geoni sus), and that could be a way of avoiding making reads, but i don’t think that’s the case rn? for those who watched his maf game, please help here. but so far i’m more just seeing confident town
alek- frankly, i do think that they’ve been playing in a way that hasn’t been helpful, if not possibly harmful. i find their reasoning to be pretty narrow minded, and they cling onto a lot of points that clog of pages, without ultimately having a strong argument due to misremembering/missreading (i.e. last night). I think their explosive and confident nature is more of what town alek does, while wolf alek would be blending in more. i do think that they’ve helped wolves a lot with the whole demanding doctors claim, but this is a case of Too Wolfy to be a Wolf. idk here anymore but leaning just town
Dinosaurz (liam)- from before, i got the sense they didn’t have any team support, so were mostly just lost town, and i still kinda think this. I do agree that he posts a lot of filler and doesn’t make that many hard stances, but to give him credit he has made reads and seems to be trying to do better. I can see where people are coming from with this, but i think the lack of any direction means they don’t have a team
Final Arcadia- Admittedly, I don’t have a strong reason to sus her yet. I thought her entry was pretty good and townread her early. but when thinking of all the people i think could be town, i reasoning for her just isn’t as strong. the low profile with not having any attention on her could be from a wolf PoV, but she’s also made good points here. I really want to talk about solving her since i think it could be great if we can comfortably town read her
Bottom of the barrel
Guava- as i said before, i don’t think her wagon really makes sense if she was mafia. the only possibility i can see is if dedenne is also mafia and saved her, so i will admit this could be a possibility. she doesnt seem to give too many reads, but she also doesn’t seem to hold anything back when she does make a statement. Conflicted here but i wouldn’t be surprised if just town
Volt- I don’t think there was much strong reason to TL them before besides the more fluid EoD voting behavior which wolves usually don’t do. I’d like to talk more about volt here, but when thinking about i think have town points on them, volt just doesn’t have much going on for them unfortunately
Dedenne- yeah i made the comment before that it felt like they were just following what i said. I realllyy need to hear from from her because i really don’t have much reason to not want to chop her besides it just feeling very easy and the sus piles up quickly like it did with cake
i don’t feel like all the wolves are in the bottom of the barrel * hikari, so i’m sure one of the TLs is a deep wolf. thinking more on that later
i think shawo is town
there is a world where you are mafia and also a world where you are town
i am trying to find you do you see what i am laying out here
okay going to try and break this up into a few different posts
the back and forth between dino/volt is zzzzzzzz but i think it was genuinely just misunderstanding that was dragging out for some pedantic reason
it doesn't read like theatre
nothing screams to me as dedenne being town, but i dont think they're the biggest threat given if they're maf they're more of just blending and not really shading or controlling
to be honest i'd be happy to hit mafia today i don't really care whether it's a more vocal member of the team or not and i do think it's weird that you're so determined that dedenne isn't worth voting for today. a red chop is a red chop
I still don't necessarily think Geoni is town, notably I think I noticed Epona defending Geoni (more like deflecting off) was odd. Like she engaged in what I was saying, said my line of thinking was logical, but suddenly d2 she townreads Geoni. I mean obviously a lot of thought happened between EoD and SoD2, but I still think it was an odd switch to not really be explained. Particularily...
These two posts I noticed while reading the ISO seem kinda contradictory. Epona says she scumread Glow for a sec, (at least I'm interpreting it that way, this ones a little ambiguous.) But follows it up that Daniel's dream towncore existed in Epona's mind?
I'm going to have to say that Epona has played a pretty lackluster game, and the fact that this is potentially a slip (in the sense that Epona forgot her own reads between posts on d2) means I kinda want an explanation because there's a good chance Epona is just hard mafia.
The interesting thing about Epona being hard mafia is that it doesn't actually mean Geoni is mafia or town, not that they have to be teamed or anything. Since there's been more than a few times where mafia just decides to townread someone, not with any particular reason. (usually that's a dead give-away.)
in response to this, yesterday i said to you that i could see your points re: geoni but i wasn't there yet and needed to see more from him because i wasn't seeing any noticeable parallels with his wolf games, but i also acknowledged that he hadn't posted enough for me to properly analyse that so i waited until he did. he has, now, and i'm happy to shelf him for the time being. geoni is obviously an extremely strong player and 100% capable of changing his meta, but i distinctly remember recognising similarities between his play in squeaky clean mafia and in kingmaker, and being suspicious of it at the time, and i just don't see that here
it's hard to know with him because his schedule is always busy but he's had more of a thread presence in this game and is also approaching things less seriously? like he's not just dropping in to post walls, he's liveposting with short quips and it reads to me like he's less concerned about how he's being perceived/is less stressed about the game. i think he's town, and if i'm wrong about it then i'm happy to re-evaluate it later but for today he's a townread
the glow point is bizarre, like do you honestly think i'm that rubbish a player that i would make so blatant a contradiction. the fact that you called it a potential slip is really silly because a) slips don't exist and b) like... really???
yes, i developed a suspicion of glow overnight and she was someone i really wanted to solve today because i thought she was potentially gonna be a deepwolf here but i obviously abandoned that train of thought because well... she died. i was genuinely surprised by glow dying i still think it's a weird kill but my sus on her was kind of tinfoily so i guess in a vacuum it makes sense that she died
but ????? about daniel's towncore existing in my mind. like
i don't know how you can read this and think that's me saying i was townreading glow in my brain the whole time
glow literally died and flipped town which means... she was town??? so while glow was alive that towncore did exist (if geo and dan are also both town)
calling this a slip is honestly such a reach that i think it must be a genuine misunderstanding which makes me more inclined to believe you are just town here bc this is such a weird post to manufacture otherwise
epona made a passing comment on "Do we vote cake" which was the most off comment IMO from EoD. also no real push on dino today and onto dedenne instead
this is the last time i'm gonna address eod bc there's nothing to say, i literally just wasn't here
i didn't even see cake ask you who you were going to protect, i would've just snap voted her if i had tbh but i didn't, i just saw everyone shifting to cake and didn't know what was going on
like at the end of the day i can't defend my actions yesterday bc it was just me trying to check in before EOD while being busy. anyone who's played with me should know that i don't coast/play low-effort games as either alignment so it shouldn't be too hard to just trust that this was me not being able to follow the thread at EOD
Either of y'all give my posts analysis to reach this because I don't recall it and idk, just feels like there is usually more paranoia about me. I townlean both of you fwiw but I wouldn't mind knowing how you reached this?
i said we shouldn't vote between the doctors today. i then explicitly said a few posts later that didn't mean we shouldn't discuss the claims today, after you said we should just park that discussion for now
those are not the same thing plz do not misrepresent me
to be honest i'd be happy to hit mafia today i don't really care whether it's a more vocal member of the team or not and i do think it's weird that you're so determined that dedenne isn't worth voting for today. a red chop is a red chop
fwiw from what i know of ace as mafia i don't think ace would bus a teammate unless he was absolutely pushed to so daniel/ace and geoni/ace can be ruled out here
the only wolf motivation for shawo to fakeclaim doctor at that point is maybe to tease out whether or not there were any other PRs. i literally cannot think of any other reason so i'm inclined to trust that he's town for the time being anyway
alek is back to a null for me, to be honest. like i just cannot ignore how cloggy a lot of their posts have been, but i don't know whether it's genuinely that they think they're finding smoking guns and they're just missing the mark a bit, or if it's deliberate putting out points that kind of lead nowhere to give the appearance that there's solving going on when there isn't
the only wolf motivation for shawo to fakeclaim doctor at that point is maybe to tease out whether or not there were any other PRs. i literally cannot think of any other reason so i'm inclined to trust that he's town for the time being anyway
the only thing i can think of that apparently geo thinks, is just to do such a bold move without any motivation that it just becomes a town clear in itself. like a “i did this because wolves had no reason to”. which i don’t find that strong an argument in itself
So I looked through glows post and they didn’t have much in terms of reads. Maybe mafia killed her because they knew that we would look through posts for more context?
So I looked through glows post and they didn’t have much in terms of reads. Maybe mafia killed her because they knew that we would look through posts for more context?
The fact that mafia basically get to pick the clue is unfair tbh. They can easily try and use a clue to manipulate the game and use it around their own agenda.
I just think mafia have the upper hand
if dedenne is town than i don’t see guava as mafia tbh given no partner had tried to save her while the reverse isn’t true if guava is town for dedenne’s alignment imo. so i’d rather go for dedenne than guava if it comes down for that
The fact that mafia basically get to pick the clue is unfair tbh. They can easily try and use a clue to manipulate the game and use it around their own agenda.
I just think mafia have the upper hand
alek- frankly, i do think that they’ve been playing in a way that hasn’t been helpful, if not possibly harmful. i find their reasoning to be pretty narrow minded, and they cling onto a lot of points that clog of pages, without ultimately having a strong argument due to misremembering/missreading (i.e. last night). I think their explosive and confident nature is more of what town alek does, while wolf alek would be blending in more. i do think that they’ve helped wolves a lot with the whole demanding doctors claim, but this is a case of Too Wolfy to be a Wolf. idk here anymore but leaning just town
Could you elaborate on exactly how I'm narrow minded when there's a lack of reason to deny my earlier question? My latter question, I didn't pressure anyone to answer so I don't know exactly how it's narrow-minded.
The fact that mafia basically get to pick the clue is unfair tbh. They can easily try and use a clue to manipulate the game and use it around their own agenda.
I just think mafia have the upper hand
No, they were not told.
Also when you say "image given by role", are you asking about role cards and role PMs? I will not answer questions relating to them.
all clues could just be so vague that it in general really doesnt matter which clue is picked. i can't access how balanced this setup is until after everything has concluded, but right now i see it as unfair, but i can't say it without a doubt that it is
