Mafia June 2020 Mafia Game Thread [DAY 2 ENDS AT 6/20 5PM PST]

[Damniel]

a person who is blamed for the wrongdoings, mistakes, or faults of others, especially for reasons of expediency.

And you are putting all on Punchy to justify a weak vote, imo. so yeah Punchy is your scapegoat, to end the day voting for a person and if they flip town when killed, just come back and be like "Oh I did not see that coming"

a scapegoat would be glow blaming punchy for something that multiple people were responsible of doing, like blaming him for a mislynch. sussing him for his own lack of motivation isn’t a scapegoat

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I’m not a new player and this is intimidating so

what are you intimidated by?

 

[Biancasbotique]

a scapegoat would be glow blaming punchy for something that multiple people were responsible of doing, like blaming him for a mislynch. sussing him for his own lack of motivation isn’t a scapegoat

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what are you intimidated by?

Day 1 ... I am always worried about a mislynch

 

[Damniel]

i think the better word would be diversion for glow not wanting to vote what you consider are rn. but i don’t see that since it’s still pretty early. it would make more sense if this was the final hour but she’s giving it time

 

[Pinkshade]

I can’t make a full “don’t vote for me” argument because I can understand why you would. I am not saying that I am scum, I’m town alignment, but I can’t tell you to not vote for me when I would be okay with you all voting for me. I of course don’t want you all to lose but I’m not having fun so if I go out I’ll be fine with it.

 

[Damniel]

I’m not having fun so if I go out I’ll be fine with it.

what are you not having fun with? is it a particular player or discussion causing this?

 

[Pinkshade]

what are you not having fun with? is it a particular player or discussion causing this?

This game in general just isn’t as light hearted as I expected and accusing people based on nothing is something I really don’t like to do so having everyone jump on me because I can’t pick someone is really stressing me out and I’m just overall tired and am finding myself avoiding the forum both because I have no time and also I’m just not having a good time. I know it’s stupid but basically what I’m trying to say is if anyone votes me it’s okay because I understand why I’m suspicious and I’d probably vote me too.

 

[PunchyTheCat]

I’m not a new player and this is intimidating so

this is town bianca

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This game in general just isn’t as light hearted as I expected and accusing people based on nothing is something I really don’t like to do so having everyone jump on me because I can’t pick someone is really stressing me out and I’m just overall tired and am finding myself avoiding the forum both because I have no time and also I’m just not having a good time. I know it’s stupid but basically what I’m trying to say is if anyone votes me it’s okay because I understand why I’m suspicious and I’d probably vote me too.

i know the cure to this

@Ace Marvel

talk

 

[Aerious]

i'm willing to learn more about bianca as well, but it's hard for me to align with votes just bc meta. what's making me curious is about the potential slip from earlier that i noticed while sifting for toads' posts, that epona/her can't both be mafia -> epona town. was this addressed?


1. you did when ace decided to derail. people were still curious about you. you got defensive and went for me as soon as i said that i wanted to learn more
2. you absolutely did. i quoted them. it's borderline inappropriate, and i know for fact it made me uncomfortable. what boggled my mind was the fact that you try and justify your behavior instead of apologizing. can anyone else speak on this?
3. when i played forum mafia, people were hesitant before shooting in the dark for names. if people would name random innos, chances are that they'd be mafia. why is it normalized that people MUST name scum 100% on d1 or that's indicative of guilt? explain it to me prior to me shooting out names/what's going on in my mind to appease you
4. i absolutely do name you as an emotional player. i'd be surprised if i was off the mark. you were null because i wasn't sure if i was scumreading or reading you as hot-headed/quick to act, but reading two people as scum for the same reason (while providing nothing substantial yourself) isn't adding up to me
5. your leads have been shawo and me for the same reason. it's two people with the same cause. i've explained my reasons as well, and by your standards, it shouldn't make me non-committal. i'm more than willing to sift through 40 pages to say who i think is scum, but i want a valid reason from you

i am inexperienced with forum mafia, but i'm not an idiot. is that what you expect from noobs?

please someone speak on this, because I'm not gonna be labeled like this for ISO-ing posts and playing this game, i'm sorry if you think its a personal attack that I keep misspelling your name, but it's not... my computer keeps changing your name to serious so I improvised and I've done it with other people.

I have personally attacked people in the past and there is a stark contrast to then and now. Do not use accusations like this so willy nilly just because I am voicing my case about you, and it is rude to try to pin that on me

now that i've slept, this doesn't sit right to me. toad has only addressed one point out of five responses to his questions. why derail to the only point that you take personally vs. making any valid points? this is ringing sus to me under the guise of being an emotional player. it's been a constant derailment with toads + avoidance. starting to believe that he's shifting blame to get leads off of himself

I’m gonna be incredibly busy today with work and getting ready for my trip tomorrow. I still think shawo’s hyper focus on the set up is not town helpful as much as he forces that it isn’t. His false guided crusades on me, then ness, and almost daniel last night didn’t get him anywhere. The one on ness pointed out that ness “scum lean, scum locked, scum leaned him” which you could argue he kinda did the same thing. The way he bulldogs through an argument also just feels super defensive.

I would be open to an Aerious elim due to their constant sitting back and watching while continuing to be very null. Their reaction to my case on them was also very explosive which also seemed scummy.

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+ shawo has really only focused on those three things. Judging alignment based on how people react to his stubbornness about gameplay honestly does not make sense as it’s a pretty NAI topic to me. I can’t think of one mafia game where talking about game mechanic helped anything.

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Anyone voting for me, my only defense is hopefully you can go back through my posts and see that I was actually trying to scumhunt

explosive =/= being unwavering to your bull****. you don't get to sit on a soapbox and make these points about shawo and i when you haven't done anything productive. rn, if anything based on your replies/reaction to everything and constant avoidance, shawo is town-leaning and you're scum-leaning. at least shawo is willing to explain and defend himself, which is substantially more helpful to us as town. being defensive and emotional isn't enough for me to think someone is sus, especially when you were inappropriate. all of this is hypocrisy in my eyes, because you are equally guilty of the same thing you're accusing shawo of

do y'all every stop to think that maybe the newer players who are less vocal and dismissed as possible lowlaying scum are intimidated and discouraged from posting bc you keep calling them noobs and grouping them together

ego checks please

i think it's potentially a cheap tactic to lie low and avoid suspicion. the common misconception is that noobs are inept essentially, per toads' logic. we can be less intimidating and not say noob. idk how to be more welcoming without accidentally giving free passes bc new, which is going to come at the hindrance of town. mafia is almost always going to be intimidating, and you have to make a case for yourself/seek out info. if we know what's bothering people, we can be more accommodating

do we have coaches this game for the beginners? if not, can we?

 

[PunchyTheCat]

I can’t make a full “don’t vote for me” argument because I can understand why you would. I am not saying that I am scum, I’m town alignment, but I can’t tell you to not vote for me when I would be okay with you all voting for me. I of course don’t want you all to lose but I’m not having fun so if I go out I’ll be fine with it.

towny post

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oh boy another wallpost with 5x the words i've said all game

 

[toadsworthy]

I’m sorry you’re feeling that way pinkshade.... it’s all kinda par for the course here unfortunately with the nature of the game. You’re newest posts read genuine and town, so at the very least you are doing a better job of communicating that

 

[Pinkshade]

I’m sorry you’re feeling that way pinkshade.... it’s all kinda par for the course here unfortunately with the nature of the game. You’re newest posts read genuine and town, so at the very least you are doing a better job of communicating that

Yeah I was trying to be extreme friendly before since that’s just my default stressed attitude sorry

 

[Biancasbotique]

This game in general just isn’t as light hearted as I expected and accusing people based on nothing is something I really don’t like to do so having everyone jump on me because I can’t pick someone is really stressing me out and I’m just overall tired and am finding myself avoiding the forum both because I have no time and also I’m just not having a good time. I know it’s stupid but basically what I’m trying to say is if anyone votes me it’s okay because I understand why I’m suspicious and I’d probably vote me too.

Don’t worry about that. This is typical day 1 and you don’t have to post anything if you don’t want to. But welcome to mafia!

 

[Feferily]

do y'all every stop to think that maybe the newer players who are less vocal and dismissed as possible lowlaying scum are intimidated and discouraged from posting bc you keep calling them noobs and grouping them together

ego checks please

Thank you. Though I think it's less intimidating and more ... mmh.. I don't want my reads and thoughts to be thrown under the bus of "ignorant noob". It feels like my input won't be valued in any form by some and that isn't the most sexy feeling.

I'm going to read the last few most recent pages real quick. Just woke up.

 

[Biancasbotique]

Thank you. Though I think it's less intimidating and more ... mmh.. I don't want my reads and thoughts to be thrown under the bus of "ignorant noob". It feels like my input won't be valued in any form by some and that isn't the most sexy feeling.

I'm going to read the last few most recent pages real quick. Just woke up.

Welcome to mafia!!

What happened to me? I used to greet all new players! Thanks pink shade for reminding me that!

 

[Aerious]

Thank you. Though I think it's less intimidating and more ... mmh.. I don't want my reads and thoughts to be thrown under the bus of "ignorant noob". It feels like my input won't be valued in any form by some and that isn't the most sexy feeling.

I'm going to read the last few most recent pages real quick. Just woke up.

^this. not to mention defending yourself for hesitation before wanting to form my own conclusions vs. listening to bull**** witch hunts is tiring, guessing it's linked to tbt though. also the expectation from toads that noob (me, bc i haven't played in a while) = idiot

welcome to mafia, friend

 

[Feferily]

Welcome to mafia!!

What happened to me? I used to greet all new players! Thanks pink shade for reminding me that!

Hi Bianca! ^D^ And besides that, I've been enjoying this. Mafia is pretty interesting.

^this. not to mention defending yourself for hesitation before wanting to form my own conclusions vs. listening to bull**** witch hunts is tiring, guessing it's linked to tbt though. also the expectation from toads that noob (me, bc i haven't played in a while) = idiot

welcome to mafia, friend

Thank you! I hope you're having a good time coming back into it!

 

[Biancasbotique]

^this. not to mention defending yourself for hesitation before wanting to form my own conclusions vs. listening to bull**** witch hunts is tiring, guessing it's linked to tbt though. also the expectation from toads that noob (me, bc i haven't played in a while) = idiot

welcome to mafia, friend

Aerious, welcome although I know you are not new. Geoni told us he wished he was playing just to play with you

 

[SensaiGallade]

Thank you. Though I think it's less intimidating and more ... mmh.. I don't want my reads and thoughts to be thrown under the bus of "ignorant noob". It feels like my input won't be valued in any form by some and that isn't the most sexy feeling.

I'm going to read the last few most recent pages real quick. Just woke up.

I just want to apologise on behalf of the players if certain people have made you feel some type of way. Please don't feel like your opinions won't be valued because they are! Same for you Pinkshade!

 

[epona]

Thank you. Though I think it's less intimidating and more ... mmh.. I don't want my reads and thoughts to be thrown under the bus of "ignorant noob". It feels like my input won't be valued in any form by some and that isn't the most sexy feeling.

I'm going to read the last few most recent pages real quick. Just woke up.

there was a generally positive response to the contribution you made with your reads. i know mafia in general can be quite intimidating, especially when a lot of the players know each other / have played together more. if you keep making quality contributions your views will definitely be listened to and respected

also yeah, pinkshade is pretty much towncleared for me at this point. those posts have a genuine tone of being lost / lonely that i don't think would be there if they had a scumchat to lend support and reassure them

 

[Ace Marvel]

This game in general just isn’t as light hearted as I expected and accusing people based on nothing is something I really don’t like to do so having everyone jump on me because I can’t pick someone is really stressing me out and I’m just overall tired and am finding myself avoiding the forum both because I have no time and also I’m just not having a good time. I know it’s stupid but basically what I’m trying to say is if anyone votes me it’s okay because I understand why I’m suspicious and I’d probably vote me too.

Don't feel like that, it's hard, but give it your all! don't feel pressured, if you are being read scum prove them wrong.

If you want to go, don't go on a suicide mission, and ask for a replacement. But I would really like it if you stay, the bigger this community gets the better.

I'm leaning scum with you for my logic to make sense, but nothing is set and that could change. I will respect your decision, but one substantial post per day cycle is enough to keep going. It's also okay to be wrong, I'm wrong most of the time.

How can we help you have a better time? I understand the attacking people is hard, but sometimes that's the only way to get reactions. Go on your own accord if your really want, but please don't do it like this. After D1 it gets more clear how the targets are, and it won't be as random.