Mafia June 2020 Mafia Game Thread [DAY 2 ENDS AT 6/20 5PM PST]

This information is so much worse than you just having a townread on one of them.

Why did you even think there was one mafia in the two of them, was there an interaction that I missed?

Did you see how Sensai's only two reads post contradict each other? Did you see Sensai's EoD?
 
Aerious stated that Sensai was town for a fact, could you help us understand that @Aerious please
i believe him to be town based on his reactions. he genuinely was okay with dying in order to help us. you don't really see mafia willing to put themselves on the line to aid town. as i've said, i could've misread, but i genuinely believe the elimination was town v. town
 
Sensai had an end of day that was 10x townier than yours daniel.

Just because they didn't play well didn't mean they weren't towny.
Lmao.
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Let me get the quotes.
 
as i said previously, this is a really amateur attempt to have me mislynched. i may be a dumb heaux, but if i were mafia, i'm not dumb enough to k word someone who called me scummy before eod. why continue to ask people to join?
I'm not budging, this wagon is happening. This will be D2 for you. Someone can post all the roles and even if that says town, I'm voting for you, this is the ACE SUPREME TUNNELING SNIPER VISION OMGUS special. Pupupupupu, have a good day.
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Literally, I thought I was gonna die too UGHHHHHH.

Epona felt too obvious as a kill and Leaf idk I actually lowkey thought she could’ve been scum but her flipping blue makes sense too.

Join my wagon, join the masses, together we will eradicate the evil from this world.
 
I felt that one.

I stand by thinking Sensai is town.

I'm actually still fairly certain that ness/daniel has mafia, and I will die by my read.
Yeah Sensai is town.
Ness is town to me, I don’t I’d ever vote him today unless something drastic happens. Daniel feels a bit iffy now that you mention it but I haven’t really read into him.
 
so here is my dead reads list just so I can start detaching myself from toads

I was here for the EoD and I find it pretty weird that the voting was about Punchy and Sensai. Honestly, when Dan made the first vote on sensai, I had to go back to see if this person even posted anything lmao

I am trying to keep it brief but please ask me about anything instead of making assumptions and misinterpreting what I said lol If it sounds generic ask me and I go further into it. Also english is not my first language.

Ness is a weird one. He feels like a townie but I’m not settling, mostly because sometimes he avoids questions and don’t really push forward except for his own weird agendas? But EOD really changed that for me. He advocated to save Punchy who is a town pretty hard, I would say I can’t think what a maf would gain with this. Even if Punchy was maf, Ness was so openly begging for people unvote him that I would say that is a town move anyway. I just think maf would be way more subtle. *shrug*. Town leaning.

Shawo, hm.. His messages can be quite crypted, but I think it comes from a town POV. He also had a great EoD and because I think Sensai is town, basically it’s the same explanation for Ness. Also I think he is doing an awesome job on keeping the town focused on what’s important on the moment. So town leaning

Glow,, honestly I don’t think them being defensive of the teddy accusations is anything worth of sus but besides starting punchy wagon I don’t think she contribute that much. They settled on punchy and even complained when sensai was set to elimination, she barely joined on the very heated discussion going on. And because punchy is town, it’s kind of sus, sometimes it’s as basic as that. I say this because when she initially voted punchy it made a lot of sense, but the way bw kept going, imo, can make people at least consider the other options. I don’t say this because Punchy’s AtE, but because a lot of people was on BW. Null, slighty scum leaning.

Teddy/Ace, I have this theory that he is not having as much fun as the other game because he is maf on this one and there is a lot more pressure. This game has way more people too, so I am not really firmly believing on this. I think people are prone to make mistakes and it’s hard to go back on your word, hence why they pushed the glow agenda for so long. I think the problem with that was his tunneling and it got really old really fast and he dropped that too late and it look like he couldn’t make on his mind on his next target for a good while. That’s why I don’t think I’m contracting myself when I said that I couldn’t see a maf protecting punchy because teddy sounds like he pulled a bianca and flipped a coin to choose who he would protect. Idk. Scum leaning.

Sensai… sounds town for me. I think if he was a scum, scum chat would be begging for him to be to post more and try harder idk. As an outsider I couldn’t see why people were voting him lmao

Btw I’m not sheeping punchy just bc he was town, I disagree with specially on the ness thing that I still don’t even understand lmao

Aerious is really hard to make a read because her posts are a little,,,, long lmao. I couldn’t read all of Toads/Aerious argument because after a while that was really draining my energy but I think it got to a point it barely had anything to do with mafia. I know this affects how my slot is perceived but I don’t think wanting to sub out is AI. Honestly the culture shock is so hard with Aerious, I can’t agree with their playstyle, but a discussion with Daniel about tunneling made me have some insight on her thoughts. But anyway, I think her targets and motives don’t seem town for me, and she is barely helping town and sometimes refuses to listen to anyone. This is prone to change since now toads is gone and maybe she feels more comfortable, but I will put as a scum leaning.

/edit here that now I can't think aerious and teddy being a team soooo I am thinking I'm a little slow

Daniel had an weeeird EoD reaction. I think I need to give him a closer look. Generally I expect more from him, he himself said he was questioning everything but didn’t go very far with this questioning. Probably he will post it soon tho. Honestly maybe it’s my own inexperience and it was just better for town to keep focused when the lynch was so close, but since I think it was going to be mislynch anyway, it’s weird. He started the Sensai bw, and I already said that I had no idea where that come from. Honestly, I have a feeling that sus on Daniel is going to be very popular so depending on how d2 goes I may throw my read on Daniel in the trash lol

Bianca… Bianca is being way more helpful than last game but she is still so hard to contact and make questions. Guess that’s usual Bianca. Btw I still think about that potential slip were she said “imagine me and epona being maf again”. Honestly I think she was a better candidate for bw yesterday smh but null for now

Btw I know I put bianca on null yet said she should be lynched but I generally think that was a lot going on for her than sensai, it’s like punchy is town so it obviously was a bad idea but it seemed very solid at the moment ty

Lothitine, pink and remy is very null at the moment, going from more scummy to more towny. I think Lothitine made some eh reads that may either be pression to post something or just trying to look town. I grateful for pink to talk about their insecurities because that made me feel comfortable to ask radical to sub, since I was reading for the start and wanted to play. With that said, I think their inactivity is generally caused by insecurity, since posting opinions just for the sake of it make people say you are parroting and that hurts lol And because they were posting here and there it doesn’t seem like inactivity is trying to go under the radar. Remy is my strongest town read from the three, their posts are helpful and good and it honestly sounds like a town POV.

Good grief I think that’s everyone

Oh no there is heyden

Heyden looks town. shrugs
 
not really. i believe sensai's disinterest in solving and lack of consistent reads comes from TMI


okay fair

Yea im increasingly frustrated with punchy trying to lead but changing his mind every page but Idk if that's just EoD panic (but that's what happens when you wait until now to try doing anything)

there's def scum just being quiet and riding this out though off topic
(defends punchy)
people are doing that by voting sensai and punchy but at least one of them is town now seeing how votes are
This point is valid but implies that daniel thought both were mafia before..
these will be interesting wagonomics to read into for D2 but i’m sticking for Sensai. seems he’s just riding the punchy wagon
I'm pretty sure this one was just factually wrong.
yikes 8 votes on punchy something about that is just wayyyyy too easy
More punchy defense.

I think the quotes may have flipped.
 
Voltaire I formally apologize for trying to get you lynched, that was a pretty good post.
 
1- Her last second vote to Punchy, was not only unnecessary, but was calculated, and now she can run with the excuse that she is surprised and didn’t know. She will try to get town crew with this.


2- Daniel and Epona piggyback, active, but most reads are based on what the previous players said.


3- She said that she knew for a fact that Sensai was town, which is weird, unless a mason group, how could she have that intel, unless mafia. Now leaving another player vulnerable because of these actions.


4- Argument with Toads, after seeing the previous one with Shawo, she still participated in a long argument that leads us nowhere.


5- Scum read me for defending til the last minute a player that turn out to be town. In her defense, she might be bad with reads, which for a seasoned player is highly unlikely.


6- Part of the glow team, a player that was accused by Punchy of being mafia and by me.


7- There is probable cause that she is scum, and I won’t take my chances.


8- Glow being the one that actually started Punchy wagon, makes me think they are working together. At the end I might be right about Glow. One starts it and one ends it. I’m not counting Heyden because the vote wasn’t even it the format and was posted past due time.

Interesting to see a case this early. I think a points 1 and 4 are fair, but a couple of things:

Not sure what you mean by point 2. I think Aerious and I had conflicting reads on toads and you specifically

There's no masons possible for point 3 idk why you bring that up

I don't think she's as seasoned as you think she is in point 5 which she's been very adamant about

Point 7 is like what?

Point 8 I would give heyden a pass because his vote when through if you see Host's vote tally

Half of these point aren't that strong but I think points 1 and 4 are fair and could use more investigation. Her switch to punchy is very odd despite being so adamant about sensai before (who I think could still be scum)

I'm curious of what you think about Glow's EoD since you still seem adamant she's scum
 
this is written as a fact.

If I'm going to be honest Ace, towards end of day there were 3-4-5 people who shared the read on sensai being town. I'm fairly certain that this isn't an outlier or something written as fact. I just really feel like the Aer vs Ace thing is entirely due to just how different you two talk.

Or one of you is mafia and I'm ****** myself.
 
Also Kallie added role descriptions to OP if anyone cares.

I’m guessing tracker/watcher is useless until the ninja is dead.
 
so here is my dead reads list just so I can start detaching myself from toads

I was here for the EoD and I find it pretty weird that the voting was about Punchy and Sensai. Honestly, when Dan made the first vote on sensai, I had to go back to see if this person even posted anything lmao

I am trying to keep it brief but please ask me about anything instead of making assumptions and misinterpreting what I said lol If it sounds generic ask me and I go further into it. Also english is not my first language.

Ness is a weird one. He feels like a townie but I’m not settling, mostly because sometimes he avoids questions and don’t really push forward except for his own weird agendas? But EOD really changed that for me. He advocated to save Punchy who is a town pretty hard, I would say I can’t think what a maf would gain with this. Even if Punchy was maf, Ness was so openly begging for people unvote him that I would say that is a town move anyway. I just think maf would be way more subtle. *shrug*. Town leaning.

Shawo, hm.. His messages can be quite crypted, but I think it comes from a town POV. He also had a great EoD and because I think Sensai is town, basically it’s the same explanation for Ness. Also I think he is doing an awesome job on keeping the town focused on what’s important on the moment. So town leaning

Glow,, honestly I don’t think them being defensive of the teddy accusations is anything worth of sus but besides starting punchy wagon I don’t think she contribute that much. They settled on punchy and even complained when sensai was set to elimination, she barely joined on the very heated discussion going on. And because punchy is town, it’s kind of sus, sometimes it’s as basic as that. I say this because when she initially voted punchy it made a lot of sense, but the way bw kept going, imo, can make people at least consider the other options. I don’t say this because Punchy’s AtE, but because a lot of people was on BW. Null, slighty scum leaning.

Teddy/Ace, I have this theory that he is not having as much fun as the other game because he is maf on this one and there is a lot more pressure. This game has way more people too, so I am not really firmly believing on this. I think people are prone to make mistakes and it’s hard to go back on your word, hence why they pushed the glow agenda for so long. I think the problem with that was his tunneling and it got really old really fast and he dropped that too late and it look like he couldn’t make on his mind on his next target for a good while. That’s why I don’t think I’m contracting myself when I said that I couldn’t see a maf protecting punchy because teddy sounds like he pulled a bianca and flipped a coin to choose who he would protect. Idk. Scum leaning.

Sensai… sounds town for me. I think if he was a scum, scum chat would be begging for him to be to post more and try harder idk. As an outsider I couldn’t see why people were voting him lmao

Btw I’m not sheeping punchy just bc he was town, I disagree with specially on the ness thing that I still don’t even understand lmao

Aerious is really hard to make a read because her posts are a little,,,, long lmao. I couldn’t read all of Toads/Aerious argument because after a while that was really draining my energy but I think it got to a point it barely had anything to do with mafia. I know this affects how my slot is perceived but I don’t think wanting to sub out is AI. Honestly the culture shock is so hard with Aerious, I can’t agree with their playstyle, but a discussion with Daniel about tunneling made me have some insight on her thoughts. But anyway, I think her targets and motives don’t seem town for me, and she is barely helping town and sometimes refuses to listen to anyone. This is prone to change since now toads is gone and maybe she feels more comfortable, but I will put as a scum leaning.

/edit here that now I can't think aerious and teddy being a team soooo I am thinking I'm a little slow

Daniel had an weeeird EoD reaction. I think I need to give him a closer look. Generally I expect more from him, he himself said he was questioning everything but didn’t go very far with this questioning. Probably he will post it soon tho. Honestly maybe it’s my own inexperience and it was just better for town to keep focused when the lynch was so close, but since I think it was going to be mislynch anyway, it’s weird. He started the Sensai bw, and I already said that I had no idea where that come from. Honestly, I have a feeling that sus on Daniel is going to be very popular so depending on how d2 goes I may throw my read on Daniel in the trash lol

Bianca… Bianca is being way more helpful than last game but she is still so hard to contact and make questions. Guess that’s usual Bianca. Btw I still think about that potential slip were she said “imagine me and epona being maf again”. Honestly I think she was a better candidate for bw yesterday smh but null for now

Btw I know I put bianca on null yet said she should be lynched but I generally think that was a lot going on for her than sensai, it’s like punchy is town so it obviously was a bad idea but it seemed very solid at the moment ty

Lothitine, pink and remy is very null at the moment, going from more scummy to more towny. I think Lothitine made some eh reads that may either be pression to post something or just trying to look town. I grateful for pink to talk about their insecurities because that made me feel comfortable to ask radical to sub, since I was reading for the start and wanted to play. With that said, I think their inactivity is generally caused by insecurity, since posting opinions just for the sake of it make people say you are parroting and that hurts lol And because they were posting here and there it doesn’t seem like inactivity is trying to go under the radar. Remy is my strongest town read from the three, their posts are helpful and good and it honestly sounds like a town POV.

Good grief I think that’s everyone

Oh no there is heyden

Heyden looks town. shrugs

There is no universe where me and Aerious are w/w
 
I'm not budging, this wagon is happening. This will be D2 for you. Someone can post all the roles and even if that says town, I'm voting for you, this is the ACE SUPREME TUNNELING SNIPER VISION OMGUS special. Pupupupupu, have a good day.
you can continue to try to wagon me. as i've stated, it's extremely questionable who died after scumreading me at eod. it just seems like a really bad attempt to have me mislynched, which you jumped on happily
i mean i genuinely want to know, why do you stick so hard to your wagons? that's primarily what's making me scumlean you. you stick to one person opposed to arguing a case/listening to others. it doesn't seem helpful to town -> scumlean

this is written as a fact.
so was you mentioning a rb/ninja on mafia. i truly believe sensai is town based on reactions. this is my read and i'm sticking to it for now, until proven otherwise

Half of these point aren't that strong but I think points 1 and 4 are fair and could use more investigation. Her switch to punchy is very odd despite being so adamant about sensai before (who I think could still be scum)
i was willing to prove a point -- that i believe sensai is town. i understood that i was being vindictive and potentially harming us to prove a point, and i swapped back immediately
 
By the way: If ninja gets roleblocked the factional kill will be detected, non-withstanding there being two ninjas.

So. That's important I guess.
 
(defends punchy)

This point is valid but implies that daniel thought both were mafia before..

I'm pretty sure this one was just factually wrong.

More punchy defense.

I think the quotes may have flipped.

I mean, did you expect Punchy to be scum seeing the switch from Sensai to Punchy in the last two minutes

I meant that Sensai was laying low while everyone was focusing on Punchy's EoD

Both had bad EoDs so I wasn't convinced either was behaving town. The voting patterns made me think one was
 
If I'm going to be honest Ace, towards end of day there were 3-4-5 people who shared the read on sensai being town. I'm fairly certain that this isn't an outlier or something written as fact. I just really feel like the Aer vs Ace thing is entirely due to just how different you two talk.

Or one of you is mafia and I'm ****** myself.

Scum reading me is town reading Aerious, because I am in the same team that kills my friends when they we clearly town, Punchy wagon was a mistake from the beginning.
 
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