Leaving quietly can wipe your save data?

[Krissi2197]

So I did a trade with someone yesterday and after the trade was finished I (the host) ended the session through the "-" button as I usually do. I never had any issues ending the session and forcing people out.

The person who traded with me (the visitor) informed me that doing this (or leaving quietly if you're a visitor) may cause the game to glitch to the point where your entire save data gets corrupted and deletes, forcing you to start over.

I didn't get to ask them where they got this information from, but they said it was a viral tweet in Japanese but I can't for the life of me find it... And even if I did I wouldn't be able to understand it well since I don't speak Japanese.

I know that leaving through the "-" option as a GUEST causes problems if somebody is in a menu, but has anyone heard of this completely wiping save files? If so, link the information. If this is true this is a very scary glitch that makes me nervous to even trade anything with people now.

EDIT: Courtesy of @Dormire , they found the source tweet!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1250448459603177472

Here's a translation from them as well:

⚠ Warning! ⚠

"It is reported that there's a bug that potentially causes save data corruption caused by online communication inconsistencies.
This is caused by returning back to your island using the "-"/minus button during online play [for example].

Try to return to your island via Dodo Airlines as much as possible!"

Here are a few more reports from Japanese Twitter:

Spoiler

For those who doubt the credibility of the post (despite the traction the OP tweet) I suggest everyone to see "あつ森 セーブデータ バグ" for themselves. Yes, while there are unreadable tweets because it's JP, the red text should be an indicator.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1255095875639992328

https://twitter.com/x/status/1256181648783052800

https://twitter.com/x/status/1252265099366035456

TBT Thread with this exact problem: https://www.belltreeforums.com/threads/what-happened.527831/

The reason why I'm putting this here is because losing a heavily-invested save is nothing to take lightly about. In some few tweets, this error occurred to some users twice or thrice now.

Being complacent just because of lack of documentation in ENG side is frightening. Let's all be careful and take caution in joining heavy-traffic islands. Always go home via DAL and not push too much if there's communication errors happening. If possible, I wish I could get this more traction (and apologize to the users whose tweets I pulled out of.)

I hope this helps people who are still having troubles or doubting this situation.

If any of you all still doubt it despite the proofs presented in the first page, here's a collected blog post.

https://note.com/atsumorifashion/n/n2885299d977d

and a video proof included in that blog if people are too lazy to click on it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1250666455923699714

I really can not emphasize this enough; the uploader even say:

"If (you) think this is a hoax, perhaps,would a video convince (everyone)?
I'm getting an error trying to get through to Isabelle.
...I'm in a trauma right now.

I will observe this until Nintendo responds."

If you don't trust my translation, pop the tweet in Google Translate.

Every documented cases is there. Yes, it's not in English but we shouldn't brush this off. We really shouldn't.

 

[Jam86]

bruh this game is has so many glitches it's mad
i prefer to use the airport to leave but i use the minus button alot to end sessions with my brother and sister, i'll need to get out that habit just incase

 

[corlee1289]

I personally have never had this issue. There may be a possibility that doing the - when you are a host can inadvertently lose the information since your last save (as in when you were speaking to Wilbur and he's saved) but I've never heard of you losing your entire save data file.

I know that if you exit while the game is doing an auto-save could potentially corrupt your file. But I think that's it?

 

[Krissi2197]

bruh this game is has so many glitches it's mad
i prefer to use the airport to leave but i use the minus button alot to end sessions with my brother and sister, i'll need to get out that habit just incase

I feel that! I always like ending sessions with the "-" button because it's quicker and it closes my gates and prevents having to talk to Orville again... But now I can't even do that safely?

And if this glitch is a thing, what happens if someone ELSE leaves quietly on your island? Does everyone get effected by it or is it just the person who's hitting the "-" button to leave/end the session?

 

[Dormire]

This is ridiculous. I think if that were the case, there would be a very rare chance of it being caused by an error as it attempts to save. (i.e having a Resetti error as you leave the island. I think it's the most plausible way I can think of next to autosave potentially corrupting your data.)

All I know is, if you leave via "-" in a multisession (i.e 4 players in one island) everyone will be kicked off and lose progress. That's the extent that I've experienced and know of.

I'm always hanging around JP Twitter but never seen this viral tweet. Now I'm very curious. My trading partners' safety is my priority after all.

 

[tybalt_cake]

Well when I'm a guest and a host too I always end the session by pressing the "-" button , and nothing has ever happened to my game or to the other person's game.

 

[MKInfinite]

I know that leaving with minus IF someone is in a menu results in that said person's game not saving, making them lose whatever items they had in their pockets, but I've never heard (or read) someone's save just imploding like that.

 

[Khaelis]

I don't know if this is true at all, there's absolute no results about this anywhere on the Internet and if there are, they're completely unrelated to this.

I know that during online play, leaving in some cases causes 'rollbacks' to other players but it never causes save file damage.

 

[BluePing]

I’ve been in and out of islands and so far I haven’t experienced this glitch or a glitch alike it’s but it may just be up to luck that. If you can’t find any evidence of it, it may just be a rumour or if it does happen it may be just really rare. Personally it wouldn’t surprise me though with all the glitches going round but I’ve been lucky enough to not yet experience any

 

[oath2order]

LMAO that's insane. They force us through the three minute loading screen for new villagers and it still glitches?

I haven't had this happen yet.

 

[Dormire]

Ah! Found the source tweet here:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1250448459603177472

⚠ Warning! ⚠

"It is reported that there's a bug that potentially causes save data corruption caused by online communication inconsistencies.
This is caused by returning back to your island using the "-"/minus button during online play [for example].

Try to return to your island via Dodo Airlines as much as possible!"

Translated the text for the English speakers.

I think now it makes sense but I think this is frightening to think of...as an avid trader this makes me feel scared to conduct trades because I've experienced way too many Resetti errors and leaving via minus sign in multisessions (from visitors!) Ugh.

 

[Krissi2197]

Ah! Found the source tweet here:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1250448459603177472

⚠ Warning! ⚠

"It is reported that there's a bug that potentially causes save data corruption caused by online communication inconsistencies.
This is caused by returning back to your island using the "-"/minus button during online play [for example].

Try to return to your island via Dodo Airlines as much as possible!"

Translated the text.

Thank you for finding it!! I'll add it to the OP now.

 

[Dormire]

Thank you for finding it!! I'll add it to the OP now.

No problem! I get around JP Twitter yet I can't believe I missed something so vital. I'm glad I could easily find it just by typing it in the search bar lol...

 

[trashpedia]

I always leave through the airport because I didn't know using "-" was a thing, but wow, that's wild 0-0 Thanks for the heads up!

 

[Luxen]

I know that leaving with minus IF someone is in a menu results in that said person's game not saving, making them lose whatever items they had in their pockets, but I've never heard (or read) someone's save just imploding like that.

Didn't know that this was even a thing. I knew that it did interrupt whoever was in a menu or conversation once the timer ran out, but I just assumed that it would somehow save their progress from the point before said conversation/menu action took place.

This is ridiculous. I think if that were the case, there would be a very rare chance of it being caused by an error as it attempts to save. (i.e having a Resetti error as you leave the island. I think it's the most plausible way I can think of next to autosave potentially corrupting your data.)

All I know is, if you leave via "-" in a multisession (i.e 4 players in one island) everyone will be kicked off and lose progress. That's the extent that I've experienced and know of.

I'm always hanging around JP Twitter but never seen this viral tweet. Now I'm very curious. My trading partners' safety is my priority after all.

Is it when anyone leaves via "-" when nobody's doing anything or when the timer pops up and runs out if no one closes/ends their menu/conversation? I read something about the latter in another thread. It would be nice if the game made it obvious to everyone about the consequences of letting the timer end.

 

[meo]

I had something similar with save data occur with a friend but I think it was tied to me having a window open preventing them from leaving multiple times.

Essentially:
Friend A and B came over to buy turnips. They both filled their bags.
Friend A was like haha I'm leaving in the middle of you doing xyz to friend B. But I have my phone up and kept it up while friend A tried to leave maybe 3 times to mess around?
Friend B finished doing whatever, I closed my phone, so 4th time Friend prompted to leave was allowed through...they go to their town and all the turnips weren't in their bag and the money they brought was there.

That's the only time I've seen it have an issue with the - button.

Post automatically merged: Apr 19, 2020

bruh this game is has so many glitches it's mad

I honestly am surprised by the level of glitches that seem to occur. I did play New Leaf 9 months after it released and there didn't seem to be any glitches I encountered...but I guess Idk if when it first was if there was anything like this?
The annoying part is I feel like there's patches for glitches I didn't even know of (besides the balloon one <3) like whatever the flick glitch was?...but patches for glitches on villager moves seem to be so slow. I guess it's fair if they're truly struggling to find the cause but, man, is it frustrating. Honestly wonder every time I start up the game if it'll just be save data wiped and reset.

 

[Noctis]

oh yikes that's not good. I only know about the if you leave quietly whatever you do in that island doesn't save. last night I was catalouging over 300+ at someone's island and someone who left quietly had to entirely do it again. But also being there I realized that everything I catalogged didn't all completely registered that I had to go again to catalog about 20+ items. I always use the - to leave quickly though. Sometimes OP ends for me which is totally fine but I know whoever hosts also expects me to leave. But it makes sense for those who leave via the airport when I'm hosting which I don't mind going to close the gates. It can be a hassle but if to be safe it can be nice to tell the host if they can end.

 

[Dormire]

Is it when anyone leaves via "-" when nobody's doing anything or when the timer pops up and runs out if no one closes/ends their menu/conversation? I read something about the latter in another thread. It would be nice if the game made it obvious to everyone about the consequences of letting the timer end.

I think this happens in every multisession, timer or not because leaving an island with you as the only visitor, has no repercussions when leaving via "-" button (of course, unless you got Resetti'd as you were in the middle of saving/going back to your island.)

The multiplayer goes haywire when there are several people because there's a lot of data to be stored and saved AND IF any of them Resetti'd it will probably bring down potentially everyone and risking a save corruption error. (Which is my theory anyways.)

 

[ACCRT]

I might know why this happens.
Nintendo has problems with concurrency(multiplayer) saving in this game.

There is a slightly chance that when somebody leaves, your game is ocassionaly trying to save automatically.
So if "someone leaves quietly", which means:
1. in the "-" situation, someone is still opening the bag, in a dialog, listening to k.k. etc. for as long as 10 seconds (you can cancel at anytime
2. corrupt the internet (like just click the power button)
The game will try to rollback to the last known "good" saving instead of doing the saving progress.

Then there is a concurrency between rollback(multiplayer) and save(on your own side). Which means the game is trying to roll back your half-saved data (corruptied).

I do not know why nintendo do not do "all or nothing" to this problem (Not until the saving progress done does the game cover the save with new data), maybe they were not aware of this problem? The engineer should be the one to blame, since it might be the first time they do auto saving together with multiplayer rollback....

 

[Dormire]

I might know why this happens.
Nintendo has problems with concurrency(multiplayer) saving in this game.

There is a slightly chance that when somebody leaves, your game is occasionally trying to save automatically.
So if "someone leaves quietly", which means:
1. in the "-" situation, someone is still opening the bag, in a dialog, listening to k.k. etc. for as long as 10 seconds (you can cancle at anytime
2. corrupt the internet (like just click the power button)
The game will try to rollback to the last known "good" saving instead of doing the saving progress.

Then there is a concurrency between rollback(multiplayer) and save(on your own side). Which means the game is trying to roll back your half-saved data (corruptied).

I do not know why nintendo do not do "all or nothing" to this problem (Not until the saving progress done does the game cover the save with new data), maybe they were not aware of this problem? The engineer should be the one to blame, since it might be the first time they do auto saving together with multiplayer rollback....

Very good theory and possibly what's going on rn.
AND TO BE FRANK, WHY DIDN'T THEY ADD MANUAL SAVING + AUTOSAVING? IT'S BEST FOR MULTIPLAYER! I mean look at New Leaf? It's easy to do this to avoid having errors to this extent. Relying on autosaving alone is ridiculous. It makes me nervous and scared every time I enter a multisession (esp turnip runs? Ugh.)

Edit: Also, yay! My 1000th post!