Lets talk politics

[visibleghost]

I never said lower taxes would be the answer, just that I don't think multimillionaire celebrities and politicians who are making hundred thousand dollar speeches to big corporations are the ones who should be saying I need to do more. I know at least Bernie's thing was to make the 1% pay for everything but he wasn't he one in the running to be president and even if he was I think the 1% wouldve found a way to protect their wealth and the burden of his programs would've fallen on what's left of the middle class.

Also, while Trump ran as a Republican he was always a Democrat before. My vote was hopeful and went to the wild card instead of keeping what in my view was a hypocritical course.

higher taxes means that you don't need to pay as much for school, healthcare etc. so what people with low income lose due to high taxes they get back in that stuff :|
and idk about the top 1% thing w evading taxes but like ... there has to be a way to make them pay their taxes or like . . idk but it's kinda illegal to not pay taxes ):

 

[LambdaDelta]

just think how much we could do with our budget and taxes if American politics wasn't run by literal warmongers

and I'm fairly certain the 1% already does everything they can to evade, or at least greatly mitigate paying taxes


ps what AU is Democratic Trump from?

 

[Corrie]

If I had to choose between democrat and republican, I'd 100% be democrat. While I don't agree with everything they do, I usually disagree with everything republicans do.

Though that said, I think all politicians are corrupt. I'm sick of rich people ruling countries and having all the says.

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higher taxes means that you don't need to pay as much for school, healthcare etc. so what people with low income lose due to high taxes they get back in that stuff :|
and idk about the top 1% thing w evading taxes but like ... there has to be a way to make them pay their taxes or like . . idk but it's kinda illegal to not pay taxes ):

You're right. I live in Canada so I pay higher taxes than most people in the USA. But I get free health care which Americans do not. Their health care is soooo expensive! I'd be surprised to hear people rather it stay that way than go the route Canada is in.

 

[-Apples-]

If I had to choose between democrat and republican, I'd 100% be democrat. While I don't agree with everything they do, I usually disagree with everything republicans do.

Though that said, I think all politicians are corrupt. I'm sick of rich people ruling countries and having all the says.

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You're right. I live in Canada so I pay higher taxes than most people in the USA. But I get free health care which Americans do not. Their health care is soooo expensive! I'd be surprised to hear people rather it stay that way than go the route Canada is in.

Speaking of this, our House and Senate passed a bill to repeal ours. I don't know if the obamacare enrollment program where the government pays for your healthcare is still there, but the tax penalties have been wiped out.

Trump seems to like Australia's socialized medicine, but couldn't tolerate what Obama had in mind.

 

[EpicGamer12]

Philosophical Anarchist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_anarchism

 

[LambdaDelta]

Though that said, I think all politicians are corrupt. I'm sick of rich people ruling countries and having all the says.

money needs to be removed from politics, directly and indirectly. but of course this has no chance of ever happening without actually triggering quite possibly the largest global catastrophe in human history

Their health care is soooo expensive!

and it's about to skyrocket in price to levels that should quite frankly put all of the politicians who voted yes to this on trial for systematic genocide

Speaking of this, our House and Senate passed a bill to repeal ours.

so glad to be living in a country where a rapist can be elected president and rape survivors can be thrown under the bus

any one of you on this site still want to argue that rape culture doesn't exist? or institutionalized misogyny?

 

[-Apples-]

so glad to be living in a country where a rapist can be elected president and rape survivors can be thrown under the bus

any one of you on this site still want to argue that rape culture doesn't exist?

I don't understand rape culture, but I can say this much. Trump was a disgusting man who raped someone before, and made a joke about rape too. However, when it comes to radical feminists (or other sexist women) that blame men for rape, I don't think the men they're accusing have done so. Unless if they really done it, I could not believe it anymore.

Have you heard of that gang rape case on a Virginia campus. The real crime there was libel or slander, and the perpetrator was Rolling Stone publications. They falsely accused eight boys of gang rape and the dean for being the mastermind when the victim in question doesn't even exist (or there's no evidence she exists). Fortunately, Rolling Stone lost a lot of money in a huge damage lawsuit, as they may go defunct after one libelous article.

 

[LambdaDelta]

Trump IS a disgusting man

too tired to bother with everything else right now, sorry

 

[easpa]

Can't say I'm well-read enough to know exactly what label would be most accurate to describe myself as, but the political compass test usually places me somewhere in the social anarchism area so we'll just go with that

 

[Charcolor]

i'm sure i fit some political alignment, but i don't like labeling myself with that stuff. i feel like if i had to choose a certain alignment i'd have to restrict myself to certain beliefs without going against the rest of people who fit my label. it's probably an irrational fear, but i feel it anyway. i do like labeling myself for some things (such as sexual orientation) but not others (such as this) and i think i should be allowed to feel that way.

i could tell you what i'm not. i'm not conservative or authoritarian in any way. i'm not sure if i'd call myself liberal, because there are some liberal ideologies i disagree with. i could be socialist, but i'm totally understanding of it. i've only just turned 16, anyway. i don't think it's too abnormal for me to not know where i fit politically.

 

[milkqueen]

I've always been a Dem/Leftist and I voted for Hillary this last election. Trump is so embarrassing to watch I don't know how his supporters stand it.. I stand it because I like to watch him crash and burn but like if you're actively rooting for him?? idk. His vp Pence is just as bad he's so anit-choice and anti-gay, truly disgusting I think I hate him more than donald.

 

[Soda Fox]

just think how much we could do with our budget and taxes if American politics wasn't run by literal warmongers

and I'm fairly certain the 1% already does everything they can to evade, or at least greatly mitigate paying taxes


ps what AU is Democratic Trump from?

Fair enough. I just looked it up and Trump was leaning a little more Democrat he donated pretty closely even between Democrat and Republican until about 2011 where he switched to pretty much only Republican donations.

Still, I did not like Hillary's shady large dollar speeches to big corporations and did not appreciate Democrats having corporate media and Hollywood movie stars trying to tell me I need to do better, so I went with the wild card.

As I've said in a previous thread I would've accepted the outcome either way and respect those who voted Hillary. This election really did come down to voting who you disliked least and for me that was Trump.

 

[Cynicat]

serious question: what do you think free speech is?

because I can almost guarantee you're wrong

the right to articulate one's opinions and ideas without fear of government retaliation or censorship, or societal sanction is what is considered free speech. Antifa is attacking people for having different opions than them, that's what I consider an attack on free speech.

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Really just google antifa and you'll find enough other examples.

 

[Yaezakura]

the right to articulate one's opinions and ideas without fear of government retaliation or censorship, or societal sanction is what is considered free speech. Antifa is attacking people for having different opions than them, that's what I consider an attack on free speech.

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Really just google antifa and you'll find enough other examples.

The first half is correct. The second half is not.

Free speech applies only to the government. The reactions of individuals have no bearing on it.

Also, maybe don't link to Breitbart if you want to be taken seriously. In anything. Ever.

 

[Cynicat]

The first half is correct. The second half is not.

Free speech applies only to the government. The reactions of individuals have no bearing on it.

Also, maybe don't link to Breitbart if you want to be taken seriously. In anything. Ever.

I linked breitbart because I wanted to show that it's all kinds of media that report this, from left to right. Not because I'm such a fan of breitbart. I get your point, tho.

Also there is a difference between freedom of speech according to governemts and freedom of speech in general, they're different things. Freedom of speech isn't just about governments:

dictionary definition
freedom of speech:

noun: the right of people to express their opinions publicly without governmental interference, subject to the laws against libel, incitement to violence or rebellion, etc.
Also called free speech.

 

[Yaezakura]

I linked breitbart because I wanted to show that it's all kinds of media that report this, from left to right. Not because I'm such a fan of breitbart. I get your point, tho.

Also there is a difference between freedom of speech according to governemts and freedom of speech in general, they're different things. Freedom of speech isn't just about governments:

dictionary definition
freedom of speech:

noun: the right of people to express their opinions publicly without governmental interference, subject to the laws against libel, incitement to violence or rebellion, etc.
Also called free speech.

While I can understand the feeling, what I see is the consequence of free speech. People already know what people like Ann Coulter are going to say. Because they have the free speech to say it, and have done so many times before. But that doesn't mean people are obligated to listen, or to give them a platform to say it, or to treat what they say as if it matters.

 

[cIementine]

i don't agree with a lot of conservative values and ideology, but i'm also not a socialist.
i think i'm somewhere in between.

 

[LambdaDelta]

Also there is a difference between freedom of speech according to governemts and freedom of speech in general, they're different things. Freedom of speech isn't just about governments

dictionary definition
freedom of speech:

noun: the right of people to express their opinions publicly without governmental interference, subject to the laws against libel, incitement to violence or rebellion, etc.
Also called free speech.

right to free speech doesn't mean the right to speak without consequences. your free speech isn't being attacked by someone(s) calling you out on your **** or refusing to give you a platform

otherwise all you get is unregulated speech that does nothing but embolden hateful people and their ideologies

 

[Ghost Soda]

While I'm pretty vocal about my support for equal rights, I never really bothered to see what I would label myself politically. Whoops. :>

 

[Haskell]

#MAGA

Make America Great Again!