Mafia Make Mafia Grate Again! Game Over! Town wins!
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Arstotzkan
A scum mom
I protected you last night, Aron. Also, lemme make this clear. I am NOT JOAT. I am Doctor. I said that to try to throw off the mafia during the night.
Heyden - You guys know how I scumread Heyden lmao. Nothing's changed. And I don't think a meta read on them can be accurate since they said in a game they're town that they try to change up their meta all of the time. And I've seen plenty of inconsistencies from him. And why the hell would he out that I was JOAT?
Tardis2016 - Kinda derpcleared anti-mafia, but I've definitely got my eye on him in terms of him being SK. He'd fit my bill in terms of it being possible, and I'm not a fan of his tone at all. He was also attacked by mafia iirc so definitely not mafia.
Panda1376 - I've really liked your tone and your scumhunting throughout the game, but the fakeclaim thing's getting to me rn. See Tina's read for #1.
Xine - Pushed inkling to their lynch and was attacked N1, but I'd really like for them to come back and maybe make a few posts. SK possibility, but as of now I doubt it.
Crys - Viciously attacked by Daniel, and he's kind of the one who brought up the suspicion against her. I don't think that'd be a bus.
Toadsworthy - UnCC'd Vig. The possibility of Mafia Vig is in the back of my mind, but I like his push on me.
Ness - Consider him my N1 peek
. But in all seriousness, he's my top townread. Ask me for clarification if need be.
ClamEatsCurry - I like his posts on Heyden, but it looks like that's one of his main focuses. If Heyden flips town, I'd like to look into Curry a lot more, but until then I like his tone.
Cadbberry - She derpcleared lmao. SK is possible. I've not been a too big of a fan of her tone as of late though, so I'd definitely consider it a possibility.
M3ow_ - She was the intial person to push Alexi, and she showed a lot of uncertainty so I'm pretty cool with town reading her for that. She seems like she's trying to weigh all options, too.
Ayaya - Nothing's really stood out too much scum wise about her posts, and I feel like she's been contributing to some extent so (thumb).
Taesaek - I still really like my exchange with Tae N1, and I like how he's willing to stand against popular opinion (I'd think mafia would try to blend in).
Aronthaer - Pushed pretty heavily by scum, even when I wasn't a CC. Also as aforementioned, I trust his reaction completely from when he claimed.
Tina - Ehhhh. These past few posts of hers are putting me on edge.
1) Why didn't she say anything about potential fakeclaims when Tardis brought it up?
2) Her reads (no offense) are weak. I get you had a few irl losses as of late, and I'm sorry for that, but if you're going to make reads at least make something more substantiated besides gut for every read besides like. Heyden's. And considering Honey and Shondell were the same person, that seems awfully hypocritical for you to accuse Lucanosa's slot of knowing about quicktopics when your slot knew about them, too.
3) She hasn't really done too much that I remember tbh.
4) When she did focus on in game information in her reads, literally the only thing she focused on was the quicktopic. No townslips, no reads based off of mafia spew, ect. There's been more to this thread than the beginning of D1.
Qwerty111 - Literally all that I can recall about Qwerty posting saying she'll post soon. Sooo. Also still not a fan of her saying "mafia has to deal with Doc" from a while back.
Mother of all Llamas - MoAL's been inactive, but there was one post Day 1 that really caught my eye.
This seems like more effort that MoAL's willing to put into a game, and I asked them if they were changing their playstyle. They didn't respond. Putting in effort is following their scum meta, but I've kept this in the back of my head to see how things turned out with people that flipped town/scum. MoAL townread Daniel, Alexi, and inkling (or at least excused their actions), and lone and behold, all three flipped mafia. MoAL, in fact, gives almost all town reads, but she focuses on Crys, which is a known mafia target at this point (since Daniel pushed her like all hell). So keep an eye on MoAL.
Lucanosa - His tone's nice, and he's contributing a lot. I like the change in playstyle. Mental note to read back on him closer, though.
Tardis2016 - Kinda derpcleared anti-mafia, but I've definitely got my eye on him in terms of him being SK. He'd fit my bill in terms of it being possible, and I'm not a fan of his tone at all. He was also attacked by mafia iirc so definitely not mafia.
Panda1376 - I've really liked your tone and your scumhunting throughout the game, but the fakeclaim thing's getting to me rn. See Tina's read for #1.
Xine - Pushed inkling to their lynch and was attacked N1, but I'd really like for them to come back and maybe make a few posts. SK possibility, but as of now I doubt it.
Crys - Viciously attacked by Daniel, and he's kind of the one who brought up the suspicion against her. I don't think that'd be a bus.
Toadsworthy - UnCC'd Vig. The possibility of Mafia Vig is in the back of my mind, but I like his push on me.
Ness - Consider him my N1 peek
. But in all seriousness, he's my top townread. Ask me for clarification if need be.ClamEatsCurry - I like his posts on Heyden, but it looks like that's one of his main focuses. If Heyden flips town, I'd like to look into Curry a lot more, but until then I like his tone.
Cadbberry - She derpcleared lmao. SK is possible. I've not been a too big of a fan of her tone as of late though, so I'd definitely consider it a possibility.
M3ow_ - She was the intial person to push Alexi, and she showed a lot of uncertainty so I'm pretty cool with town reading her for that. She seems like she's trying to weigh all options, too.
Ayaya - Nothing's really stood out too much scum wise about her posts, and I feel like she's been contributing to some extent so (thumb).
Taesaek - I still really like my exchange with Tae N1, and I like how he's willing to stand against popular opinion (I'd think mafia would try to blend in).
Aronthaer - Pushed pretty heavily by scum, even when I wasn't a CC. Also as aforementioned, I trust his reaction completely from when he claimed.
Tina - Ehhhh. These past few posts of hers are putting me on edge.
1) Why didn't she say anything about potential fakeclaims when Tardis brought it up?
2) Her reads (no offense) are weak. I get you had a few irl losses as of late, and I'm sorry for that, but if you're going to make reads at least make something more substantiated besides gut for every read besides like. Heyden's. And considering Honey and Shondell were the same person, that seems awfully hypocritical for you to accuse Lucanosa's slot of knowing about quicktopics when your slot knew about them, too.
3) She hasn't really done too much that I remember tbh.
4) When she did focus on in game information in her reads, literally the only thing she focused on was the quicktopic. No townslips, no reads based off of mafia spew, ect. There's been more to this thread than the beginning of D1.
Qwerty111 - Literally all that I can recall about Qwerty posting saying she'll post soon. Sooo. Also still not a fan of her saying "mafia has to deal with Doc" from a while back.
Mother of all Llamas - MoAL's been inactive, but there was one post Day 1 that really caught my eye.
This seems like more effort that MoAL's willing to put into a game, and I asked them if they were changing their playstyle. They didn't respond. Putting in effort is following their scum meta, but I've kept this in the back of my head to see how things turned out with people that flipped town/scum. MoAL townread Daniel, Alexi, and inkling (or at least excused their actions), and lone and behold, all three flipped mafia. MoAL, in fact, gives almost all town reads, but she focuses on Crys, which is a known mafia target at this point (since Daniel pushed her like all hell). So keep an eye on MoAL.
Lucanosa - His tone's nice, and he's contributing a lot. I like the change in playstyle. Mental note to read back on him closer, though.
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Aronthaer
Back from Hiatus (3/18/22)
I protected you last night, Aron. Also, lemme make this clear. I am NOT JOAT. I am Doctor. I said that to try to throw off the mafia during the night.
If I had to guess what scum looks like, I'd say Heyden/MoAL is the mafia team, and Tina is the SK.Heyden - You guys know how I scumread Heyden lmao. Nothing's changed. And I don't think a meta read on them can be accurate since they said in a game they're town that they try to change up their meta all of the time. And I've seen plenty of inconsistencies from him. And why the hell would he out that I was JOAT?
Tardis2016 - Kinda derpcleared anti-mafia, but I've definitely got my eye on him in terms of him being SK. He'd fit my bill in terms of it being possible, and I'm not a fan of his tone at all. He was also attacked by mafia iirc so definitely not mafia.
Panda1376 - I've really liked your tone and your scumhunting throughout the game, but the fakeclaim thing's getting to me rn. See Tina's read for #1.
Xine - Pushed inkling to their lynch and was attacked N1, but I'd really like for them to come back and maybe make a few posts. SK possibility, but as of now I doubt it.
Crys - Viciously attacked by Daniel, and he's kind of the one who brought up the suspicion against her. I don't think that'd be a bus.
Toadsworthy - UnCC'd Vig. The possibility of Mafia Vig is in the back of my mind, but I like his push on me.
Ness - Consider him my N1 peek
ClamEatsCurry - I like his posts on Heyden, but it looks like that's one of his main focuses. If Heyden flips town, I'd like to look into Curry a lot more, but until then I like his tone.
Cadbberry - She derpcleared lmao. SK is possible. I've not been a too big of a fan of her tone as of late though, so I'd definitely consider it a possibility.
M3ow_ - She was the intial person to push Alexi, and she showed a lot of uncertainty so I'm pretty cool with town reading her for that. She seems like she's trying to weigh all options, too.
Ayaya - Nothing's really stood out too much scum wise about her posts, and I feel like she's been contributing to some extent so (thumb).
Taesaek - I still really like my exchange with Tae N1, and I like how he's willing to stand against popular opinion (I'd think mafia would try to blend in).
Aronthaer - Pushed pretty heavily by scum, even when I wasn't a CC. Also as aforementioned, I trust his reaction completely from when he claimed.
Tina - Ehhhh. These past few posts of hers are putting me on edge.
1) Why didn't she say anything about potential fakeclaims when Tardis brought it up?
2) Her reads (no offense) are weak. I get you had a few irl losses as of late, and I'm sorry for that, but if you're going to make reads at least make something more substantiated besides gut for every read besides like. Heyden's. And considering Honey and Shondell were the same person, that seems awfully hypocritical for you to accuse Lucanosa's slot of knowing about quicktopics when your slot knew about them, too.
3) She hasn't really done too much that I remember tbh.
4) When she did focus on in game information in her reads, literally the only thing she focused on was the quicktopic. No townslips, no reads based off of mafia spew, ect. There's been more to this thread than the beginning of D1.
Qwerty111 - Literally all that I can recall about Qwerty posting saying she'll post soon. Sooo. Also still not a fan of her saying "mafia has to deal with Doc" from a while back.
Mother of all Llamas - MoAL's been inactive, but there was one post Day 1 that really caught my eye.
This seems like more effort that MoAL's willing to put into a game, and I asked them if they were changing their playstyle. They didn't respond. Putting in effort is following their scum meta, but I've kept this in the back of my head to see how things turned out with people that flipped town/scum. MoAL townread Daniel, Alexi, and inkling (or at least excused their actions), and lone and behold, all three flipped mafia. MoAL, in fact, gives almost all town reads, but she focuses on Crys, which is a known mafia target at this point (since Daniel pushed her like all hell). So keep an eye on MoAL.
Lucanosa - His tone's nice, and he's contributing a lot. I like the change in playstyle. Mental note to read back on him closer, though.
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oh my gosh
did we really just do that
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
This gun be gewd!!!
I'd actually have to care about the game to be SK!
Of course I think fake claims is a possibility. But I've said twice now that I'm giving Tardis the benefit of the doubt. That is acknowledgement in itself that fake claims are possible.
I'm not denying my reads are weak. I've even apologised for my lack of interest. Real life intervenes. It sucks and I hate it too I've done everything off a single read of the game. If you're lucky someone has killed me out of fear cos oooh people think I'm a strong player. And I can be - when I give a damn.
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
So it is two doctors? I don't believe that whatsoever.....
*Tardis? Toad. I think. Am I even right in thinking you're referring to the vig claim there?
Arstotzkan
A scum mom
Eh, not so sure about that. I was mafia in one of my recent games on Mafia Universe, and I didn't care about the game. I replaced out, actually.
And giving Tardis the benefit of the doubt and pointing out you can't lynch based off of claims are two different things.
Oh so Shondell was banned for reasons unrelated to the game?
well find out about Heyden later today then.
I protected you last night, Aron. Also, lemme make this clear. I am NOT JOAT. I am Doctor. I said that to try to throw off the mafia during the night.
If I had to guess what scum looks like, I'd say Heyden/MoAL is the mafia team, and Tina is the SK.Heyden - You guys know how I scumread Heyden lmao. Nothing's changed. And I don't think a meta read on them can be accurate since they said in a game they're town that they try to change up their meta all of the time. And I've seen plenty of inconsistencies from him. And why the hell would he out that I was JOAT?
Tardis2016 - Kinda derpcleared anti-mafia, but I've definitely got my eye on him in terms of him being SK. He'd fit my bill in terms of it being possible, and I'm not a fan of his tone at all. He was also attacked by mafia iirc so definitely not mafia.
Panda1376 - I've really liked your tone and your scumhunting throughout the game, but the fakeclaim thing's getting to me rn. See Tina's read for #1.
Xine - Pushed inkling to their lynch and was attacked N1, but I'd really like for them to come back and maybe make a few posts. SK possibility, but as of now I doubt it.
Crys - Viciously attacked by Daniel, and he's kind of the one who brought up the suspicion against her. I don't think that'd be a bus.
Toadsworthy - UnCC'd Vig. The possibility of Mafia Vig is in the back of my mind, but I like his push on me.
Ness - Consider him my N1 peek
ClamEatsCurry - I like his posts on Heyden, but it looks like that's one of his main focuses. If Heyden flips town, I'd like to look into Curry a lot more, but until then I like his tone.
Cadbberry - She derpcleared lmao. SK is possible. I've not been a too big of a fan of her tone as of late though, so I'd definitely consider it a possibility.
M3ow_ - She was the intial person to push Alexi, and she showed a lot of uncertainty so I'm pretty cool with town reading her for that. She seems like she's trying to weigh all options, too.
Ayaya - Nothing's really stood out too much scum wise about her posts, and I feel like she's been contributing to some extent so (thumb).
Taesaek - I still really like my exchange with Tae N1, and I like how he's willing to stand against popular opinion (I'd think mafia would try to blend in).
Aronthaer - Pushed pretty heavily by scum, even when I wasn't a CC. Also as aforementioned, I trust his reaction completely from when he claimed.
Tina - Ehhhh. These past few posts of hers are putting me on edge.
1) Why didn't she say anything about potential fakeclaims when Tardis brought it up?
2) Her reads (no offense) are weak. I get you had a few irl losses as of late, and I'm sorry for that, but if you're going to make reads at least make something more substantiated besides gut for every read besides like. Heyden's. And considering Honey and Shondell were the same person, that seems awfully hypocritical for you to accuse Lucanosa's slot of knowing about quicktopics when your slot knew about them, too.
3) She hasn't really done too much that I remember tbh.
4) When she did focus on in game information in her reads, literally the only thing she focused on was the quicktopic. No townslips, no reads based off of mafia spew, ect. There's been more to this thread than the beginning of D1.
Qwerty111 - Literally all that I can recall about Qwerty posting saying she'll post soon. Sooo. Also still not a fan of her saying "mafia has to deal with Doc" from a while back.
Mother of all Llamas - MoAL's been inactive, but there was one post Day 1 that really caught my eye.
This seems like more effort that MoAL's willing to put into a game, and I asked them if they were changing their playstyle. They didn't respond. Putting in effort is following their scum meta, but I've kept this in the back of my head to see how things turned out with people that flipped town/scum. MoAL townread Daniel, Alexi, and inkling (or at least excused their actions), and lone and behold, all three flipped mafia. MoAL, in fact, gives almost all town reads, but she focuses on Crys, which is a known mafia target at this point (since Daniel pushed her like all hell). So keep an eye on MoAL.
Lucanosa - His tone's nice, and he's contributing a lot. I like the change in playstyle. Mental note to read back on him closer, though.
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I'm not understanding what you're saying. Yes, I gave Toad (not Tardis - but I do believe he's town. And now that it's after roles I'm going to say I believe so because my role is also a member of the media) benefit of the doubt based on reasons I already explained = his shot on Daniel helped me make sense of the N1 kills. And if he's lying well damn. But right now things make sense as they are.
Yes. Both Honey and Shondell were banned for reasons unrelated to the game. It's because of mafia they were caught. Dolby told me there was an account he suspected was an alt in the game and didn't tell me a name. Upon investigating, I found two alt accounts in this game. They are not related to each other as far as I can tell.
Hello. I apologize for not being active the last Day cycle. I have been overwhelmingly busy. I am also not really feeling myself. I mildly hate doing reads on several people at once, but I believe I should in case I die. So if some of these reads seem forced, that?s why. By the way... to the Doctors, protect each other or yourselves- do not protect me.
Also sorry to m3ow_, I am annoyed at myself for taking your lead off the Godfather and onto a mafpleb. I know what you mean about having doubts in your reads, I cannot reiterate this enough: the best way to play is to have utmost confidence in yourself.
By the way, the Ness is SK statement was just a reaction test.
There are 18 players remaining. I?m assuming two are scum and one is SK. With Toadsworthy claiming to hit Daniel, for some reason I have a feeling that SK hit me. Mafia should have known that there was a good chance that a Watcher would be on me, and I think SK just got extremely lucky that mafia hit Watcher.
Null-Questionable
Heyden - I do not want to waste my time typing up things others have already said, but he does seem to be acting a bit weird. He did push a lot for Alexi, and so I would like to hear him hard-claim D3 and decide where to go from there.
Taesaek - Honestly, I?ve townread him for most of the game because he was one of the only to help start an Inkling lynch.
Except at the time I did not realize the diversion away from Alexi and onto Inkling.
The paragraphs on Alexi, Cory, and Shiida intrigue me the most. This makes me think that he is not mafia aligned because why would he kill people that he believed are suspicious? People that he could start pushing on D2?
Especially knowing that they were town- why would he emphasize suspecting them? Except then this light defensive of Alexi throws me off entirely:
He seemed to strongly disagree with an Alexi lynch while also saying that they were not entirely certain. Most of the time, this fencesitting is an easy scumread but honestly, it seems genuine the way it?s carried out here. I just strongly dislike how almost every paragraph starts off with this contradiction ?Yeah she?s being scummy right now, BUT....?. This dissonance between these two paragraphs are so off: if you don?t feel strongly enough then why were you defending Alexi? I believe multiple people were suspicious of her, and Taesaek was one of the only to strongly suggest not lynching Alexi.
I am pretty sure these two posts are some of his longest (if not his longest) posts in the game. Most of the his other posts are only a couple lines, but in both of these two he defends Alexi. I mean it?s not EXACTLY scummy to defend someone, but again I can?t get over this: if you do not feel strongly about them- then why would you defend someone in the first place?
I believe the first four lines are sincere though, except the last line doesn?t sit well, which brings me back to null. Taesaek plz post reads sometime soon, it would help a lot to know where you stand now.
Ayaya- I do not like how most of their posts are intent on questioning Aronthaer.
Why is it okay for you to tunnel on Aronthaer but not for Crys to tunnel Alexi? It doesn?t add up considering that you KNOW we aren?t lynching Aronthaer and yet you continue to press and press him. Heyden made that statement and yet you haven?t ceased to doubt Aronthaer?s claim: why? Almost everything Aronthaer does screams inexperienced town to me, and I know mafia left him alive in order to distract us and make us begin to doubt him.
About Alexi...You needed to explain why the reasons were weak, here. Why was Crys case weak and why was M3ow_?s case weak? I believe the two cases were pretty similar, but how did they remind you of previous cases against Panda? Because you didn?t actually state specifically what was the weak parts of the case, it just seems like you are defending Alexi for very little reasoning and trying to take a lynch off of her and onto an easier target who was already being voted against.
With elaboration on why the cases were weak, I would have had a more solid read on you. If an argument is that weak then it should not be hard to explain why it is. Do you wanna know who else called a case on scum weak without explaining it?
You need to explain yourself more. Otherwise your own logic and defenses are weak, not the case.
Very likely scum:
Mother of all Llamas - Sort of similar to Taesaek, I initially wanted to townread them due to their Inkling push D1:
Really forced and awkward phrasing. For example: "I'm DEFINITELY getting a feeling that she is POSSIBLY scum". How can you say a feeling is definite that something is possible? Like those two words don't belong in the same sentence.
Advocates against an Alexi lynch because Alexi was getting "emotional"??? When was this? I NEVER saw Alexi actually get emotional- she stayed decently consistent throughout her defense and played well.
It seems that the cases for D1?s lynch were between my case on Inkling and M3ow?s case on Alexi. The line about Alexi really rubs me the wrong way, because it seems Mother knows that changing the lynch targets would be too difficult so bussing is their best option. Mother would not be smart to bus Godfather D1, but it wasn?t too much harm to bus a goon. Plus, she would likely be townread for this since she was one of the first to agree with the lynch.
But the low interaction with the thread onward from that is what makes me scumread them.
Before they placed their vote on inkling, here are their reads. I color coated them so you can see exactly what they are trying to imply, although almost all their reads are wishy washy fencesitting:
Notice the reads on Inkling, Alexi and most notably Call Me Daniel: they are short and awkwardly phrased. Lightly defends Inklings inactivity by using the previous game as justification. But the difference was that not only was Inkling quiet, Inkling was also contradictory all around.
Daniels read was not even a full sentence, as if they are afraid to mention their alignment although by the fragment it seems they were implying a townread.
Also note how they almost all are townreads or nullreads. When they do suspect someone, there is almost always a part of it that says "I don't know how to feel though". There are very few reads which don't contradict each other, almost all of them are completely baseless, and the
Tina
Her lack of giving full reads on people and lack of strong opinions when she seems to be an experienced player is troublesome.
Tina voted for Qwerty but then goes into saying that Alexi IS playing differently from Tarot mafia? I wouldn't really call this defending but why were you so reluctant to vote Alexi when you were aware of the change in playstyle- didn't you think that was off?
This is too gibberish-y.
Lol, jk - but sometimes I do this "working out the mechanics of the game so far" thing when I'm mafia to make it seem like I'm contributing but it's really just sophisticated filler for the most part.
I'm unsure of what you mean when you said "Xine/m3ow/Panda are up there".
I'm really perplexed about your paragraph insinuating me being SK. Surely you realize that in a game this size, it's in SK's best interest to derail town as much as possible from lynching mafia considering it would take a VERY long time to kill off everyone singularly. You think I'm SK that hit Cory or shiida? Then mafia hit me? I just don't follow your thought process at all, or see your reasoning for any of it, considering you're suspecting some of the top contributors, that have actively tried to lynch scum. It's quite off to me and if you have any actual logic or reason to support this then I'd love to hear it because this sort of implication really needs to be supported by something.
The problem is that she hasn't posted enough for me to actually analyze her reads, but she has decided to post things about game mechanics. I understand that she has personal issues going on however, but until she contributes with reads or her opinions she is one of the most suspicious here. This isn't entirely her fault, but also due to the person she replaced as well. I believe we should give her time and we should lynch mother of all llamas before lynching her.
Leaning scum:
Qwerty
I have to agree with M30w?s case here. I do not want to repeat anything that has already been said, but I will summarize with this:
Very low interaction throughout the thread especially with Daniel and Inkling. Their over-defensiveness about their inactivity is simply unwarranted. It is their lack of substantial contribution which throws me off the most about them. The only thing that makes me feel weird is that they voted for Alexi quite early into the day and then .... Then Alexi voted for them after unvoting Tardis. I am extremely hesitant about them for this reason: if Qwerty was mafia it would be extremely bold to bus there, especially considering that Alexi is a stronger player than them. This is the only part holding me back from them being likely scum, but their behavior during the rest of the game prevents me from being able to townread them. Qwerty is not a good D3 lynch but should still not be overlooked just yet.
Likely town:
Cadbberry
Ness
Panda
ClamEatsCurry - I won?t lie, this is more a gut feeling that anything.
M3ow_ - led on Alexi D1 & based on their interactions with Inkling and Daniel. The only thing that makes me keep them in ?Likely? and not ?Solid? was their hesitation to lynch Alexi D2.
Solid town:
Sarasakat - confirmed by saving me
Toadsworthy - un cc?d vig
Crys
Aronthaer
Tardis- What I didn?t notice about Tardis at first is that they voted Alexi D1 before I posted my case about Inkling. I STRONGLY townread Tardis for this because I do not believe that a newer player like Tardis would bus Godfather D1 instead of trying to turn the lynch towards someone else. Especially considering that Alexi is a good player, and would likely be one of the stronger players on their scum team.
If anyone wants me to elaborate more on my townreads, you can just ask and I will. But I spent awhile on the others so I was tired by the time I got to them.
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Ok I recognize Tina and others have probably post more since I wrote this, I typed this up early in the morning but wanted to wait until the actions deadlined ended before posting.
Also sorry to m3ow_, I am annoyed at myself for taking your lead off the Godfather and onto a mafpleb. I know what you mean about having doubts in your reads, I cannot reiterate this enough: the best way to play is to have utmost confidence in yourself.
By the way, the Ness is SK statement was just a reaction test.
There are 18 players remaining. I?m assuming two are scum and one is SK. With Toadsworthy claiming to hit Daniel, for some reason I have a feeling that SK hit me. Mafia should have known that there was a good chance that a Watcher would be on me, and I think SK just got extremely lucky that mafia hit Watcher.
Null-Questionable
Heyden - I do not want to waste my time typing up things others have already said, but he does seem to be acting a bit weird. He did push a lot for Alexi, and so I would like to hear him hard-claim D3 and decide where to go from there.
Taesaek - Honestly, I?ve townread him for most of the game because he was one of the only to help start an Inkling lynch.
Except at the time I did not realize the diversion away from Alexi and onto Inkling.
The paragraphs on Alexi, Cory, and Shiida intrigue me the most. This makes me think that he is not mafia aligned because why would he kill people that he believed are suspicious? People that he could start pushing on D2?
Especially knowing that they were town- why would he emphasize suspecting them? Except then this light defensive of Alexi throws me off entirely:
He seemed to strongly disagree with an Alexi lynch while also saying that they were not entirely certain. Most of the time, this fencesitting is an easy scumread but honestly, it seems genuine the way it?s carried out here. I just strongly dislike how almost every paragraph starts off with this contradiction ?Yeah she?s being scummy right now, BUT....?. This dissonance between these two paragraphs are so off: if you don?t feel strongly enough then why were you defending Alexi? I believe multiple people were suspicious of her, and Taesaek was one of the only to strongly suggest not lynching Alexi.
I am pretty sure these two posts are some of his longest (if not his longest) posts in the game. Most of the his other posts are only a couple lines, but in both of these two he defends Alexi. I mean it?s not EXACTLY scummy to defend someone, but again I can?t get over this: if you do not feel strongly about them- then why would you defend someone in the first place?
I believe the first four lines are sincere though, except the last line doesn?t sit well, which brings me back to null. Taesaek plz post reads sometime soon, it would help a lot to know where you stand now.
Ayaya- I do not like how most of their posts are intent on questioning Aronthaer.
Aren't you tunneling on Alexi right now? If Alexi is scum, then props to her for defending herself well, because she's been suspected as scum since D1 (as you can see she had some votes on her) but she hasn't buckled under pressure, especially when two mafias are dead.
Also, Alexi rn reminds me of Panda who was an easy target for mislynching in previous games because of varios weak reasons, and your case on Alexi reminds me of the cases against Panda.
I just want him to explain himself so his alignment can be cleared
Why is it okay for you to tunnel on Aronthaer but not for Crys to tunnel Alexi? It doesn?t add up considering that you KNOW we aren?t lynching Aronthaer and yet you continue to press and press him. Heyden made that statement and yet you haven?t ceased to doubt Aronthaer?s claim: why? Almost everything Aronthaer does screams inexperienced town to me, and I know mafia left him alive in order to distract us and make us begin to doubt him.
About Alexi...You needed to explain why the reasons were weak, here. Why was Crys case weak and why was M3ow_?s case weak? I believe the two cases were pretty similar, but how did they remind you of previous cases against Panda? Because you didn?t actually state specifically what was the weak parts of the case, it just seems like you are defending Alexi for very little reasoning and trying to take a lynch off of her and onto an easier target who was already being voted against.
With elaboration on why the cases were weak, I would have had a more solid read on you. If an argument is that weak then it should not be hard to explain why it is. Do you wanna know who else called a case on scum weak without explaining it?
You need to explain yourself more. Otherwise your own logic and defenses are weak, not the case.
Very likely scum:
Mother of all Llamas - Sort of similar to Taesaek, I initially wanted to townread them due to their Inkling push D1:
Really forced and awkward phrasing. For example: "I'm DEFINITELY getting a feeling that she is POSSIBLY scum". How can you say a feeling is definite that something is possible? Like those two words don't belong in the same sentence.
Advocates against an Alexi lynch because Alexi was getting "emotional"??? When was this? I NEVER saw Alexi actually get emotional- she stayed decently consistent throughout her defense and played well.
It seems that the cases for D1?s lynch were between my case on Inkling and M3ow?s case on Alexi. The line about Alexi really rubs me the wrong way, because it seems Mother knows that changing the lynch targets would be too difficult so bussing is their best option. Mother would not be smart to bus Godfather D1, but it wasn?t too much harm to bus a goon. Plus, she would likely be townread for this since she was one of the first to agree with the lynch.
But the low interaction with the thread onward from that is what makes me scumread them.
Before they placed their vote on inkling, here are their reads. I color coated them so you can see exactly what they are trying to imply, although almost all their reads are wishy washy fencesitting:
Notice the reads on Inkling, Alexi and most notably Call Me Daniel: they are short and awkwardly phrased. Lightly defends Inklings inactivity by using the previous game as justification. But the difference was that not only was Inkling quiet, Inkling was also contradictory all around.
Daniels read was not even a full sentence, as if they are afraid to mention their alignment although by the fragment it seems they were implying a townread.
Also note how they almost all are townreads or nullreads. When they do suspect someone, there is almost always a part of it that says "I don't know how to feel though". There are very few reads which don't contradict each other, almost all of them are completely baseless, and the
Tina
Her lack of giving full reads on people and lack of strong opinions when she seems to be an experienced player is troublesome.
Tina voted for Qwerty but then goes into saying that Alexi IS playing differently from Tarot mafia? I wouldn't really call this defending but why were you so reluctant to vote Alexi when you were aware of the change in playstyle- didn't you think that was off?
This is too gibberish-y.
Lol, jk - but sometimes I do this "working out the mechanics of the game so far" thing when I'm mafia to make it seem like I'm contributing but it's really just sophisticated filler for the most part.
I'm unsure of what you mean when you said "Xine/m3ow/Panda are up there".
I'm really perplexed about your paragraph insinuating me being SK. Surely you realize that in a game this size, it's in SK's best interest to derail town as much as possible from lynching mafia considering it would take a VERY long time to kill off everyone singularly. You think I'm SK that hit Cory or shiida? Then mafia hit me? I just don't follow your thought process at all, or see your reasoning for any of it, considering you're suspecting some of the top contributors, that have actively tried to lynch scum. It's quite off to me and if you have any actual logic or reason to support this then I'd love to hear it because this sort of implication really needs to be supported by something.
The problem is that she hasn't posted enough for me to actually analyze her reads, but she has decided to post things about game mechanics. I understand that she has personal issues going on however, but until she contributes with reads or her opinions she is one of the most suspicious here. This isn't entirely her fault, but also due to the person she replaced as well. I believe we should give her time and we should lynch mother of all llamas before lynching her.
Leaning scum:
Qwerty
I have to agree with M30w?s case here. I do not want to repeat anything that has already been said, but I will summarize with this:
Very low interaction throughout the thread especially with Daniel and Inkling. Their over-defensiveness about their inactivity is simply unwarranted. It is their lack of substantial contribution which throws me off the most about them. The only thing that makes me feel weird is that they voted for Alexi quite early into the day and then .... Then Alexi voted for them after unvoting Tardis. I am extremely hesitant about them for this reason: if Qwerty was mafia it would be extremely bold to bus there, especially considering that Alexi is a stronger player than them. This is the only part holding me back from them being likely scum, but their behavior during the rest of the game prevents me from being able to townread them. Qwerty is not a good D3 lynch but should still not be overlooked just yet.
Likely town:
Cadbberry
Ness
Panda
ClamEatsCurry - I won?t lie, this is more a gut feeling that anything.
M3ow_ - led on Alexi D1 & based on their interactions with Inkling and Daniel. The only thing that makes me keep them in ?Likely? and not ?Solid? was their hesitation to lynch Alexi D2.
Solid town:
Sarasakat - confirmed by saving me
Toadsworthy - un cc?d vig
Crys
Aronthaer
Tardis- What I didn?t notice about Tardis at first is that they voted Alexi D1 before I posted my case about Inkling. I STRONGLY townread Tardis for this because I do not believe that a newer player like Tardis would bus Godfather D1 instead of trying to turn the lynch towards someone else. Especially considering that Alexi is a good player, and would likely be one of the stronger players on their scum team.
If anyone wants me to elaborate more on my townreads, you can just ask and I will. But I spent awhile on the others so I was tired by the time I got to them.
- - - Post Merge - - -
Ok I recognize Tina and others have probably post more since I wrote this, I typed this up early in the morning but wanted to wait until the actions deadlined ended before posting.
@Tina I'm sorry you're having a bad week Tina, I hope you feel better soon
I have to say this though, your reads kind of reminds me of when you were mafia in GoT, which was also weak, has a lot of speculation, and subjective observation, like this one. I know in that game you were also going through some things too, but whatever alignment you are, I hope you can do better when Day comes. We have 3 members of mafia dead too, so looking at their post/reads should shorten your scope a bit compared to reading the whole thread full of fillers.
I have to say this though, your reads kind of reminds me of when you were mafia in GoT, which was also weak, has a lot of speculation, and subjective observation, like this one. I know in that game you were also going through some things too, but whatever alignment you are, I hope you can do better when Day comes. We have 3 members of mafia dead too, so looking at their post/reads should shorten your scope a bit compared to reading the whole thread full of fillers.
Yeah, in hindsight that was stuff better to keep to myself. Usually those are the sort of notes I just make in a separate document, but I was just awake and typed out just what was in my mind. I slept like 1am-7pm yesterday beside an hour or two in the afternoon cos I'm a lazy idot.
Don't know what you're saying. I just meant if you weren't mafia and you weren't town-sided you had to be SK. Not that you are SK. I just don't want to die having left town completely sold on you, because I hate the fact people are throwing around the word "confirmed" like it means nothing this game.
I don't have strong reads cos I'm not making an effort. I'll say that up-front. And it's horrible to say but it's the truth. If I live through the night (I'd be an easy kill. Not contributing + rep as strong player) I'll try my best tomorrow.
Realised I forgot to commet on this in relation to Alexi quote.
I wasn't confident in my impression of her because I was going off gut. I already said I was having problems loading the forum and couldn't go back and read. I'm pretty received to see my interpretation was true (I knew she was town in Tarot, as she said something in that game only another townie would understand as it was in relation to the PM wording) but I didn't want to cast a vote without being able to analyse more thoroughly.
I wasn't confident in my impression of her because I was going off gut. I already said I was having problems loading the forum and couldn't go back and read. I'm pretty received to see my interpretation was true (I knew she was town in Tarot, as she said something in that game only another townie would understand as it was in relation to the PM wording) but I didn't want to cast a vote without being able to analyse more thoroughly.
@Tina I'm sorry you're having a bad week Tina, I hope you feel better soon
I have to say this though, your reads kind of reminds me of when you were mafia in GoT, which was also weak, has a lot of speculation, and subjective observation, like this one. I know in that game you were also going through some things too, but whatever alignment you are, I hope you can do better when Day comes. We have 3 members of mafia dead too, so looking at their post/reads should shorten your scope a bit compared to reading the whole thread full of fillers.
Yeah. That game I was in a bad place and coincidentally scum.
This game, I'm not. But I hate that the past few days have gone like this IRL. And I'm posting here to try and forget about it. I can't sleep. It's nearly 4am. I'm hoping after some sleep I'll be able to think clearly and provide evidence about my thoughts - assuming someone hasn't taken me out tonight thinking "she's easy as no one will protect her!".
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
I think I'm dead guys..... Outted Townie? I'm an easy kill, send your prayers to Toad jesus and I shall give you guidance from beyond the grave
