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Mafia Miraculous Ladybug Cultists [Congrats Cult!]
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yeah toads jumped to the insane cop thing and I asked panda, who was aware of the show/theme if an insane cop was likely, and she said there was one episode where there was one (but thats not who tae is). so I looked up tae's character and it said they become "infected", so I believed the insane cop thing for like 10 mins. but then found out, apparently that happens to a diff character every show. and they are cured by the end of it (iirc).. so tae is indeed sane. toads returned red. the chances of having a framer are like ..close to none, and the 1/20 chance IF we have a framer, that they targeted toads is just, yeah, i'm going with toads is cult.
u mad?
i simply saw a flaw in your role description and pointed it out. honestly not even gonna try to hold a logical, and calm conversation with you anymore in this game. it's a joke trying to.
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ebwop - every episode* not show
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
Post glitch
Oh my god. Honestly, idk what to say. I mean, I'm still not convinced that Toads is cult but this really pisses me off lol. If framer was brought up instead of a stupid insane cop we wouldn't have voted for Athena.
I know you were defending yourself because for whatever reason you believe you are town, but what you did caused an innocent getting lynched based on unconfirmed theory? You acted selfishly!
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
exactly because you and Tae have refused to see as town at all... when I'm for real for real telling the truth.
@Chrys, asking Panda rly wasn't the best decision. She's high on the sus radar and she could have manipulated the situation in cukt's favour. In doing so, not only the got Athena lynched, but it'll also guarantee Toads' lynch the next day.
amanda1983
Senior Member
Holy ****... I'm sorry Menchie, you had an incredibly tough role for your first mafia game, yikes. I hope this doesn't put you off joining in other games around here - it looks like there are some interesting games in the queue coming up.
To answer the questions Curry asked of me in post # 375, regarding my 1st reads post # 266 :
The simple answer at the time, and prior to the results of today's lynch was : no.
(Side Note : I have to stick with userames so I can keep track of who is whom when writing, though I can follow any name people use in their posts so long as it's in the OP.)
Damniel was of interest to me based largely on the concerns of experienced players - this caused me to notice his posts more and find his comments more and more suspicious as either cult or hostile 3rd party as time went on. In the lead up to his claim I was still drafting a post of my own, a task I kept sidelining and then abandoned when he did claim. I had been leaning incresingly towards voting for him until that final part of the lead up and then the claim. My post was along the lines of : "I can't reconcile Damniel's contributions with a pro-town win condition" with some references. To be clear : whilst I would not have put as much weight on the "evidence" against him without the multiple references of other players, I had definitely noticed some oddities in his posts that I would have puzzled over by myself anyway. Obviously, I was wrong, rather drastically. The best I can figure is he was trying to draw negative attention - before claiming - in order to decide who to shoot (his role was a 2-shot vigilant?, right?), and his ability to role-claim such an important pro-town role was meant to save him from a mis-lynch if necessary. Which should have worked but... it didn't.
So losing him was absolutely terrible for town from any perspetive. Before he claimed I could find no reason to account for his posts and the concerns experienced players had about his playstyle aside from him being cult/hostile 3rd party. After he claimed, and flipped, I can see his contributions in a pro-town light.
Which brings me to Athena Cykes : I was dead wrong there. I hadn't been nearly as sceptical of Damniel as I had been of Athena Cykes (and Duck), and yet she was town. I don't know if I'm just trying to find any silver lining I can at this point or not but : unlike Damniel, losing Athena Cykes doesn't seem all-around bad. Obviously he had a blue role and she was a vanilla townie (hoping I'm using these terms properly, please correct me if not) ; but his contributions were actually pro-town, and I'm not currently finding the same with Athena Cykes. If anything, her contributions as a pro-town player make even less sense to me now, especially in light of her last-second posts to the thread, than they did at the time I decided to vote for her (rather than switch to voting Toadsworthy). Whilst lynching any pro-town player is bad for town, I honestly cannot convince myself losing a very confusing/unproductive pro-town player is *that* bad. Of course, this is in isolation to the fact that we lost 2 more pro-town players from mod-killing at the same time.
Having been so very wrong with Damniel and Athena Cykes (albeit for different reasons), I'm not sure whether to stick with my initial impressions (which haven't changed at this point), or abandon logic and assume Duck must be pro-town and just carry on with the premise that this is an upside-down-town thing so those I consider most pro-town must be cult/hostile 3rd parties... but I think I'm going to stick with logic and try re-evaluating everyone from scratch.
I have print-outs, highlighters, sticky-notes, a million coloured pens, blank sheets of paper, and a bajillion tabs open on 3 different devices right now : I'll have my 2nd reads list up by tonight (it's 12:40pm my time now).
To answer the questions Curry asked of me in post # 375, regarding my 1st reads post # 266 :
The simple answer at the time, and prior to the results of today's lynch was : no.
(Side Note : I have to stick with userames so I can keep track of who is whom when writing, though I can follow any name people use in their posts so long as it's in the OP.)
Damniel was of interest to me based largely on the concerns of experienced players - this caused me to notice his posts more and find his comments more and more suspicious as either cult or hostile 3rd party as time went on. In the lead up to his claim I was still drafting a post of my own, a task I kept sidelining and then abandoned when he did claim. I had been leaning incresingly towards voting for him until that final part of the lead up and then the claim. My post was along the lines of : "I can't reconcile Damniel's contributions with a pro-town win condition" with some references. To be clear : whilst I would not have put as much weight on the "evidence" against him without the multiple references of other players, I had definitely noticed some oddities in his posts that I would have puzzled over by myself anyway. Obviously, I was wrong, rather drastically. The best I can figure is he was trying to draw negative attention - before claiming - in order to decide who to shoot (his role was a 2-shot vigilant?, right?), and his ability to role-claim such an important pro-town role was meant to save him from a mis-lynch if necessary. Which should have worked but... it didn't.
So losing him was absolutely terrible for town from any perspetive. Before he claimed I could find no reason to account for his posts and the concerns experienced players had about his playstyle aside from him being cult/hostile 3rd party. After he claimed, and flipped, I can see his contributions in a pro-town light.
Which brings me to Athena Cykes : I was dead wrong there. I hadn't been nearly as sceptical of Damniel as I had been of Athena Cykes (and Duck), and yet she was town. I don't know if I'm just trying to find any silver lining I can at this point or not but : unlike Damniel, losing Athena Cykes doesn't seem all-around bad. Obviously he had a blue role and she was a vanilla townie (hoping I'm using these terms properly, please correct me if not) ; but his contributions were actually pro-town, and I'm not currently finding the same with Athena Cykes. If anything, her contributions as a pro-town player make even less sense to me now, especially in light of her last-second posts to the thread, than they did at the time I decided to vote for her (rather than switch to voting Toadsworthy). Whilst lynching any pro-town player is bad for town, I honestly cannot convince myself losing a very confusing/unproductive pro-town player is *that* bad. Of course, this is in isolation to the fact that we lost 2 more pro-town players from mod-killing at the same time.
Having been so very wrong with Damniel and Athena Cykes (albeit for different reasons), I'm not sure whether to stick with my initial impressions (which haven't changed at this point), or abandon logic and assume Duck must be pro-town and just carry on with the premise that this is an upside-down-town thing so those I consider most pro-town must be cult/hostile 3rd parties... but I think I'm going to stick with logic and try re-evaluating everyone from scratch.
I have print-outs, highlighters, sticky-notes, a million coloured pens, blank sheets of paper, and a bajillion tabs open on 3 different devices right now : I'll have my 2nd reads list up by tonight (it's 12:40pm my time now).
tae literally posted like 5 times after that whole ordeal, in caps, to vote toads. he was practically begging everyone to "come back omg pls" and sheep him.
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
honestly Seroja save yourself. I appreciate your ever proper and absolutely correct support, but I'm going down next time and Rose the Roleblocker is screwed. I just hope I take Tom down a little bit with me
Let's set Toads aside later ok. I mean he'll probably be lynched next looking at current situation, but how about we also focus on the rest of the cult team D3? Tunneling toads will get us nowhere for now as you can see, he's stubborn as hell (which could be bcos he's speaking the truth).
Btw, I think Endless probably would have been culted by now. Just a thought.
Btw, I think Endless probably would have been culted by now. Just a thought.
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
I agree Endless has probably been culted, lets lynch him tomorrow instead of Rose the Roleblocker
exactly. ^
games with themes based off shows/video games follow the theme almost to an exact. the roles, main characters being pr's, etc.
Saw that but because I read wrongly, I was pretty confident with Athena lynch, I'm sorry ;A;
This game has been such a mess. I hadn't wanted to get too involved because I have anxiety but yeah. This game is all I can think about now ):
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
you know, when planning my Paper Mario game, I took that into account, when making my PRs and everything... so its not an unheard of idea to give lesser known characters blue roles or try to mix it up to keep your players from figuring things out like that
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Also Trump mafia, we couldn't figure out, ish from claimed names.... not to mention safe claims and stuff
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Hence why Rose, a lesser known character in mainly just like one episode... got a blue role like Roleblocker
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
so what you are gonna get everyone left to claim their role name? ok
Lets start that now....
I'M ROSE THE ROLEBLOCKER
Omg toads lol. I rly can't with this game right now. Sigh.
Anyway, I believe Tae's inspections and the safest lynch for tomorrow (by logic) is Toads obviously. But please, can you calm down Toads? If you are indeed town and have town's best interest at heart, please stop clogging up the thread with your anymore of your theories or role claim. Please make use of whatever time you have left to pin other cult members so that we have something to work on when you're dead and flip green.
Do we have a deal?
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Sorry for my typos and grammatical errors.
Anyway, I believe Tae's inspections and the safest lynch for tomorrow (by logic) is Toads obviously. But please, can you calm down Toads? If you are indeed town and have town's best interest at heart, please stop clogging up the thread with your anymore of your theories or role claim. Please make use of whatever time you have left to pin other cult members so that we have something to work on when you're dead and flip green.
Do we have a deal?
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Sorry for my typos and grammatical errors.
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
Well I am banking on Tom being Cult Leader... so I'm hoping that by role blocking him tonight it will stop him from converting at least one more innocent townie
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and by banking I mean I already sent it in
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Tom is so red
I am so Blue
let's hope I'm right
or you'll be cult too
amanda1983
Senior Member
*headdesk*
Just to check I've got this right : mass role-claiming at this stage would be bad for town, and ideal for cult/any remaining hostile 3rd parties, yes? And, presumably, good for Toadsworthy personally as the odds of all 21 players in this game having strictly logical names and roles are surely astronomically unlikely (I don't know the show myself, but it would shock me to learn that the show somehow has an ideal character for every role in this game ; though not as much as it would shock me if we, the players, were to somehow reach a concensus as to whether Toadsworthy's claim "fit" or not even if we *did* all name-and-role-claim...).. meaning there would be room for doubt in any case for him, right?
Following on from that, speaking generally : the more confused and muddlied pro-town players are, the better for cult/hostile 3rd parties (I'm vague on if there can only be one of those or if more than one has been ruled out?), yes? Which means that the more time and effort we spend debating random theories - instead of trying to puzzle out who is actually cult/hostile 3rd party - the harder it's going to be for town to pull together and win.
So : does trying to work out what roles are in this particular setup benefit town in any specific way? I assume it could clear up some confusion, yes, but would it actually help town win the game?
Final question for now, which I feel like I know the answer to but want to make very sure of just in case I'm mistaken : is there any benefit to town for a Role Blocking player to announce in-game that they're RBing a specific player tonight? Is this a thing that is normally done (announced ahead of time)?
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^ oops, make that last part "Final 2 questions for now,", please.
Just to check I've got this right : mass role-claiming at this stage would be bad for town, and ideal for cult/any remaining hostile 3rd parties, yes? And, presumably, good for Toadsworthy personally as the odds of all 21 players in this game having strictly logical names and roles are surely astronomically unlikely (I don't know the show myself, but it would shock me to learn that the show somehow has an ideal character for every role in this game ; though not as much as it would shock me if we, the players, were to somehow reach a concensus as to whether Toadsworthy's claim "fit" or not even if we *did* all name-and-role-claim...).. meaning there would be room for doubt in any case for him, right?
Following on from that, speaking generally : the more confused and muddlied pro-town players are, the better for cult/hostile 3rd parties (I'm vague on if there can only be one of those or if more than one has been ruled out?), yes? Which means that the more time and effort we spend debating random theories - instead of trying to puzzle out who is actually cult/hostile 3rd party - the harder it's going to be for town to pull together and win.
So : does trying to work out what roles are in this particular setup benefit town in any specific way? I assume it could clear up some confusion, yes, but would it actually help town win the game?
Final question for now, which I feel like I know the answer to but want to make very sure of just in case I'm mistaken : is there any benefit to town for a Role Blocking player to announce in-game that they're RBing a specific player tonight? Is this a thing that is normally done (announced ahead of time)?
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^ oops, make that last part "Final 2 questions for now,", please.
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