Mafia Miraculous Ladybug Cultists [Congrats Cult!]

[toadsworthy]

Can we stop reading the insane players posts? Reading and responding to them make me wanna drink. The chances of there being a cult framer strike me as impossible, so even if Toad was the Role blocker at one point he's clearly not now. Not to mention someone who "has towns best interests at heart" wouldn't be clogging the thread with bad poetry. Toad can "block" me all he wants.

last post of the night, I swear. then I probably won't even return until end of night.
But people react to certain situations in different ways. I think its important to show, I'm not just lying down and letting this lynch kill me. I'm gonna fight tooth and nail to show I'm not freaking cult. Once this is FINALLY all over, I want everyone to look at this horrible, terrible, spot I was in and tell me what they would've done. Because lord knows I don't know what to do about this but keep telling you. I hoped that would show you I'm serious about it.

and with all this constant defense of myself it gets supremely tiring. So I'm sorry if I made funny little poems about the current situation, but I needed something in this thread to give me any emotion besides anger for just a moment. And lets be real those poems were clever as ****

 

[Seroja]

Btw, I thought we can change our night actions??

And RBing Tom... I don't think Tom's cult leader tbh. And opinions on the alignment of the person who busses (what's the term, bus driver?)? Town or cult?

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ebwop: nvm tae's discussed it. sorry didnt read the thread yet.

 

[Endless]

No really, I will buy a tasty cake and send it to anyone who can put themselves in my position with the insane cop ruled out, Tae's inspection coming out on me being cult, knowing you are definitely town (I've looked at the role PM 1000 times) and explain all that bs without a framer.... go ahead... try

*cracks knuckles*

Time to play Devil's advocate. (These are not my general reads, but instead what my reads would be in a world where toad is town)

Tae is cult. He has no counterclaim because he was originally the cop but was culted n1. So his claim was "safe".

Tae hasn't done anything to towntell except play emotionally, which toad is doing himself. Why should that get him a free ticket to being townread but not toad?

And you may say "what are the chances tae was culted n1"? Pretty reasonable, since cult historically goes after mildly townread semi-active players or good players. And tae was the best example of a slightly active slightly townread player; he had posted only a couple of times and none of it differed from his meta. Not a single person listed him as anything below null.

Why should you believe toad over Tae? Take a gander at toads game as mafia. Did he freak out even remotely as much as he is right now? Didn't think so.
Next consider how much content toad has produced for town - a lot, he practically got the wheel turning day 1.

Next look at how tae has backed off slightly and saying things like "please tell me what I'm supposed to do? I got you as sus and Athena as nonsus?" compared to his earlier "please just ****ing lynch toad". Really feels like tae knows the lynch is going through and figuring out some way to make himself look better after the flip.
You could put this off on exasperation, but that doesn't really hold water since town!tae wouldn't be giving any thought to even the most marginal possibility to toad being town.

If you remember, tae stated that he would be angry/death tunnel toad if Athena flipped town, or something along those lines. Yet Tae's emotion hasn't been angry at all. If anything, he's become more demure after the flip.

It's really sad to see how everyone was willing to ditch their townreads on toad over a badly presented cop case.

/End devil's advocate.

Honestly toad. If you ARE town, why didn't you consider that tae could be fake?

 

[Fleshy]

Eventful to say the least, god everything's so hard to read with all the poem's and ****posting or whatever. I'm guessing we should've changed our votes to Toad after all.

So there's three things that could have caused this (right?);

1. Toad is lying, he's not "Rose the Roleblocker".
2. Tae is lying he's not Alya the Cop, maybe he was before, but he's been culted and using his original role as a safe claim.
3. Neither are lying, Toad is the Roleblocker and Tae is the Cop. We have a framer on our hands.

It seems like most people are believing that the first is the truth, that's pretty unanimously decided at this point. Maybe it's a good idea if we post our current reads? All this going on in the thread lately is just confusing and it's taking away from us working anything else out, it doesn't seem to be getting anywhere. Toad's cult, who else is likely to be too?


I personally don't really think Seroja is cult with Toad, it is possible but she was being so forward about believing him and everything, compared to the last game when she was scum with Karla (Murder Mystery Mafia, right?) she didn't go easy on Karla at all and was even heavily scumreading him and willing to vote him. Of course she could be and just be playing differently, but I don't really think that's the case. I do really agree with Mog's post about Amanda and I think it's quite possible at this point,;

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amanda is also a player who is being town read by basically everyone (bar abe) so culting her might have been an ok idea actually, hm, i know she's new so it'd be risky but she's obviously a pretty good player

 

[mogyay]

ahh **** so i have to admit i just took tae's claim as legit and therefore not cult (didnt entertain the thought that it could be legit AND cult), pretty ignorant of me, thank u for bringing that forward abe, although i'm still very sus of toad i'm open to the possibility that tae has been culted but i'd like to hear what he has to say about this in case i'm missing something. my only slight problem is if tae was lyng he'd know he'd take the heat when toad flipped town, wouldn't it be a really risky move?

 

[Chrystina]

okay reading through the thread & something from beginning of night that stuck out to me. I was gonna wait til day post but I'm wondering if anyone noticed this too and I'd like to get some new discussion going.

ok soz my data recharged late
gg menchie tasuot cpu ~_~

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ok so by day we'll probs have like 9 town, 4 cult and 1 3rd party im guessing were sorta screwed bc of the mk's but ok

"gg menchie tasu and cpu" with an emoji that obv shows annoyance. makes sense with tasu and cpu since they were townies but i would assume town-Hayden would be ok with a third party mk?
then with the post merge, he still thinks we have one more third party left..
either Hayden didn't even bother checking the roles because he was culted and knows they were all town anyways, orrr Hayden thinks we have two third parties? if it's the latter @hayden I'd love to hear why you think so.

I realize my first theory might be "wat" but this is what 630 AM me thinks of after no sleep.

 

[Heyden]

okay reading through the thread & something from beginning of night that stuck out to me. I was gonna wait til day post but I'm wondering if anyone noticed this too and I'd like to get some new discussion going.


"gg menchie tasu and cpu" with an emoji that obv shows annoyance. makes sense with tasu and cpu since they were townies but i would assume town-Hayden would be ok with a third party mk?
then with the post merge, he still thinks we have one more third party left..
either Hayden didn't even bother checking the roles because he was culted and knows they were all town anyways, orrr Hayden thinks we have two third parties? if it's the latter @hayden I'd love to hear why you think so.

I realize my first theory might be "wat" but this is what 630 AM me thinks of after no sleep.

Well Menchie didn't really have an impact on the gameplay in terms of theory anyway, she literally played as a townie, didn't even bother to push for Curry. The only thing she accounted for was an extra number towards cult winning so I didn't really see much of it at first glance.
As for the second bit, I'd be guessing there's still a killing 3rd party bc what stupid vig would kill entropy, unless it was someone who pushed hard for her as scum *cough* endless *cough*

 

[toadsworthy]

There's 3-4 people out there who know I'm town and just laughing about this. When I die and flip town it's going to be the people who avoided this place like the plague that you are going to want to be most sus of guys

Rose the role locker has class for most of the day. So don't expect usual, and don't sus me more because of it... If me having more sus is even possible

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Just a reminder too that I think Tom is definitely cult at this point and I'm role blocking him

 

[Seroja]

*cracks knuckles*

Time to play Devil's advocate. (These are not my general reads, but instead what my reads would be in a world where toad is town)

Tae is cult. He has no counterclaim because he was originally the cop but was culted n1. So his claim was "safe".

Tae hasn't done anything to towntell except play emotionally, which toad is doing himself. Why should that get him a free ticket to being townread but not toad?

And you may say "what are the chances tae was culted n1"? Pretty reasonable, since cult historically goes after mildly townread semi-active players or good players. And tae was the best example of a slightly active slightly townread player; he had posted only a couple of times and none of it differed from his meta. Not a single person listed him as anything below null.

Why should you believe toad over Tae? Take a gander at toads game as mafia. Did he freak out even remotely as much as he is right now? Didn't think so.
Next consider how much content toad has produced for town - a lot, he practically got the wheel turning day 1.

Next look at how tae has backed off slightly and saying things like "please tell me what I'm supposed to do? I got you as sus and Athena as nonsus?" compared to his earlier "please just ****ing lynch toad". Really feels like tae knows the lynch is going through and figuring out some way to make himself look better after the flip.
You could put this off on exasperation, but that doesn't really hold water since town!tae wouldn't be giving any thought to even the most marginal possibility to toad being town.

If you remember, tae stated that he would be angry/death tunnel toad if Athena flipped town, or something along those lines. Yet Tae's emotion hasn't been angry at all. If anything, he's become more demure after the flip.

It's really sad to see how everyone was willing to ditch their townreads on toad over a badly presented cop case.

/End devil's advocate.

Honestly toad. If you ARE town, why didn't you consider that tae could be fake?

This possibility occured to me while I was doing dishes just now but I thought ehhh, tae sounded so genuine when he pushed for Toads' lynch, probably not. I was thinking, if Tae was indeed cop but got culted N0, then maybe he coordinated this attack on Toads with Chrys? Idk, just a thought.

My issues with this possibility:

1. Why Toads? Easy target or?
2. Why did Tae bring up the cop result N0?
3. Why did he go along with the insane cop at first?
4. Why did he switch back to wanting Toads lynched instead of just sticking with Athena?

There were so many unforeseen variables that could happen and had happened with the soft claim, and Tae sounded genuine all throughout (or was I reading wrong because I rushed through it at the time?). So yeah, it's hard to doubt him tbh. But I'm still not 100% convinced Toad was culted.

Anyhow, assuming Tom did not start out as a cultist, what were the odds that he got culted? He was bussed both nights. N0, he probably didn't get culted unless the CL intended to recruit Athena which was highly unlikely. N1- assuming he was bussed with entropy- he would have gotten culted if the CL recruited entropy. But was was the probability?

@mog and Fleshy, I'm not gutsy enough to defend a fellow cult mate who was so close to getting lynched like Toads was.

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Oh and @Endless, I'd love to read your updated reads for D3. What is your stance on Tom's lynch? What do you think of Panda now?

 

[tae]

ahh yes Abe lets kill the town cop good morning to you too.
I just woke up but I'll give you my reply once I've booted up my laptop. what a **** show.

 

[Endless]

@Seroja quite a few updates in my reads, a lot of players have jumped around. I won't have time to write them before night end so I hope I'm not sked or something random like that.
Really important aspects of it is that despite my devil's advocate I still believe that toad is mafia, (although considering devil's advocate I wrote is probably good play, because it's a reasonable counterargument I thought up.) I still definitely believe Tom is mafia, although if no one else agrees with my read there I'm willing to take a step back and that Curry is not cult leader. My read on panda hasn't changed much.

The reason curry is not cult leader is that no sane host would have a lyncher have their target as cult leader (or sk for that matter. Wouldn't be fair)

Other observations: this might come as a shock to you, but someone being bussed actually doesn't change their likelihood of being culted, since it's 1/(number of players) either way. The exception being if they were bussed with a cult member. (Which would obviously make them pseudo cult immune for the night.) If we are to assume he was bussed with Athena then Entropy, he has never been bussed with anything but town. (Hence his likelihood of being cult is the same as if he was not bussed. Perhaps more likely since entropy is a likely cult target.)

Chrystina, I'm going to give you a lot of benefit of the doubt over the cop ordeal. I didn't pick up on it, and since I assume you know Tae's playstyle better than me it's not super unrealistic that you picked up off it at the first post. I'm still kicking myself for missing the "toad, I have one question: were you bussed?" Soft, but I'm really curious as to how you picked up on it earlier than that. I'm no longer scumreading you for being opportunistic.

@Seroja I don't think that there's any possibility of a tae/Chrys tag team. I really doubt cult would put themselves forward like that - too easy for us to knock them down like bowling pins. On the contrary it's more likely that Chrystina is cult should the likely flip happen, since Chrystina noticing early signs of cop softs is easier if she knows the person being sorted on is cult.

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EBWOP:

ahh yes Abe lets kill the town cop good morning to you too.
I just woke up but I'll give you my reply once I've booted up my laptop. what a **** show.

That was a devil's advocate, or a defense of someone I don't believe to provide a balanced argument. I don't think you're cult.

 

[Seroja]

@Seroja quite a few updates in my reads, a lot of players have jumped around. I won't have time to write them before night end so I hope I'm not sked or something random like that.
Really important aspects of it is that despite my devil's advocate I still believe that toad is mafia, (although considering devil's advocate I wrote is probably good play, because it's a reasonable counterargument I thought up.) I still definitely believe Tom is mafia, although if no one else agrees with my read there I'm willing to take a step back and that Curry is not cult leader. My read on panda hasn't changed much.

The reason curry is not cult leader is that no sane host would have a lyncher have their target as cult leader (or sk for that matter. Wouldn't be fair)

Other observations: this might come as a shock to you, but someone being bussed actually doesn't change their likelihood of being culted, since it's 1/(number of players) either way. The exception being if they were bussed with a cult member. (Which would obviously make them pseudo cult immune for the night.) If we are to assume he was bussed with Athena then Entropy, he has never been bussed with anything but town. (Hence his likelihood of being cult is the same as if he was not bussed. Perhaps more likely since entropy is a likely cult target.)

Chrystina, I'm going to give you a lot of benefit of the doubt over the cop ordeal. I didn't pick up on it, and since I assume you know Tae's playstyle better than me it's not super unrealistic that you picked up off it at the first post. I'm still kicking myself for missing the "toad, I have one question: were you bussed?" Soft, but I'm really curious as to how you picked up on it earlier than that. I'm no longer scumreading you for being opportunistic.

@Seroja I don't think that there's any possibility of a tae/Chrys tag team. I really doubt cult would put themselves forward like that - too easy for us to knock them down like bowling pins. On the contrary it's more likely that Chrystina is cult should the likely flip happen, since Chrystina noticing early signs of cop softs is easier if she knows the person being sorted on is cult.

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EBWOP:That was a devil's advocate, or a defense of someone I don't believe to provide a balanced argument. I don't think you're cult.

Hmm thank you for answering. This has certainly given me something to think about more deeply.

As for who I'm currently more in favour of voting D3; I'll say Panda.

 

[toadsworthy]

Hmm thank you for answering. This has certainly given me something to think about more deeply.

As for who I'm currently more in favour of voting D3; I'll say Panda.

These are my legit feelings right now, despite what other crappy reads I posted and said. As of RN, this is what I am basing my everything on: reactions I've observed especially with recent events and making sense of people's actions. I am by no means looking back and ISO-ing every little post to pull minute details of wording to shape this argument because I feel when you get into that specific stuff, you can very easily misconstrue meaning and you can convince yourself that someone is scum, when if you look at the big picture, it has a different meaning. This is my overarching feels as literally everyone has had to react to my presence on this thread.

I too believe Tae and their accounts of the inspections, but look at how people reacted to me? Even Tae, who is the actual cop showed some remorse and thought, even for a glimmer of a moment, that I am Town. where as Chrys is tunneling the heck out of me on this, and she doesn't even know if Tae's inspections are true. I see a vastly different reaction with her than Tae and Tae is the one with the information. Why is Chrys automatically taking it as truth and running with it even worse than Tae? she either really wants to hammer me to keep her own cult self in play or gotten herself so convinced I'm scum from this. Honestly though, its gonna be the people not even touching my situation that are the really scum ones, hence why I still say that Tom is some how related to cult for sure.

I also think its weird that for the first time in forever, Abe is actually admitting he was wrong about something in "misreading me as town" (even though you are completely right) like no matter what Abe has always stuck to his guns and his amazing playing the whole time I've played with him. Even when we were wrong about crys last time. Maybe he is trying to be more open-minded and humble, or maybe its a change in his style, but homie this is the only time I will openly give you this credit in a game "you are freaking completely true"

Panda is eerily not present, and thats sus. Same with Fleshy, and although yeah he showed some town-oriented behavior in unvoting Daniel, he ultimately did nothing to stop it. I feel like with everyone (bar the people who aren't active in general) there absence in the thread the past few days is something to note.
All of these people can't be town guys, I guarantee one of those people I mentioned is cult rn. and instead were choosing to lynch the guy who there is no possible way he coulda flubbed all that emotional post the last few days.

And yes my reads are definitely changing because its later in the game, lots more stuff as occurred and there is a completely different situation of information to look at, especially if you are in my position. And as everyone agreed more or less, my first reads were crap, so a reflection and question of myself is just another detail that shows you I'm town.

I'm going to persist that I should not be lynched next day, because I am not cult. If you can not see the genuine ness in my pleas, and the logic with which I've had to approach my extremely rare and unusual case(insane cop was literally such a great idea, I'm still annoyed that it didn't work out), then I literally don't know what else to tell you.
DO NOT rip apart this post, because there is absolutely no way you can understand how I've had to formulate this stuff and thats evident in the way people are reacting to me. However I know thats a mix of my seemingly crazy, emotional posts with the low possibility of this all occurring how it has, and lack of knowledge of whats been going on behind the scenes. And that people should be sus of me with how its played out, but look past that and the things I'm doing and saying and there is no way you can continue to believe that I'm not what I say I am.

Rose the Roleblocker out

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The reason curry is not cult leader is that no sane host would have a lyncher have their target as cult leader (or sk for that matter. Wouldn't be fair)

that is actually such a good idea and sound reasoning I can't handle it

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Hmm thank you for answering. This has certainly given me something to think about more deeply.

As for who I'm currently more in favour of voting D3; I'll say Panda.

like literally? instead of me?

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EBWOP: look past the inspections basically and look at the things I'm doing and saying*

 

[Trent the Paladin]

*Tae is a he, you keep forgetting that Rosey

Well Menchie didn't really have an impact on the gameplay in terms of theory anyway, she literally played as a townie, didn't even bother to push for Curry. The only thing she accounted for was an extra number towards cult winning so I didn't really see much of it at first glance.
As for the second bit, I'd be guessing there's still a killing 3rd party bc what stupid vig would kill entropy, unless it was someone who pushed hard for her as scum *cough* endless *cough*

Not kept up with the thread much? I think we've universally agreed that I was the one who was meant to get shot, not entropy. Personally I'm kind of entertaining the idea that the vig is unlimited to give town a chance and to really draw the game out, but I'm not fairly certain how well that would work.

There's 3-4 people out there who know I'm town and just laughing about this. When I die and flip town it's going to be the people who avoided this place like the plague that you are going to want to be most sus of guys

Just a reminder too that I think Tom is definitely cult at this point and I'm role blocking him

So like everyone then? Most of us are busy with lives, so that's a big plague.

Okay but do you think I'm cult leader or simply culted? Because if you think I'm cult leader, then by all means block me. If you think I'm simply cult, you're being stupid and wasting your action if you're what you say you are.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

*Tae is a he, you keep forgetting that Rosey

Well Menchie didn't really have an impact on the gameplay in terms of theory anyway, she literally played as a townie, didn't even bother to push for Curry. The only thing she accounted for was an extra number towards cult winning so I didn't really see much of it at first glance.
As for the second bit, I'd be guessing there's still a killing 3rd party bc what stupid vig would kill entropy, unless it was someone who pushed hard for her as scum *cough* endless *cough*

Not kept up with the thread much? I think we've universally agreed that I was the one who was meant to get shot, not entropy. Personally I'm kind of entertaining the idea that the vig is unlimited to give town a chance and to really draw the game out, but I'm not fairly certain how well that would work.

There's 3-4 people out there who know I'm town and just laughing about this. When I die and flip town it's going to be the people who avoided this place like the plague that you are going to want to be most sus of guys

Just a reminder too that I think Tom is definitely cult at this point and I'm role blocking him

So like everyone then? Most of us are busy with lives, so that's a big plague.

Okay but do you think I'm cult leader or simply culted? Because if you think I'm cult leader, then by all means block me. If you think I'm simply cult, you're being stupid and wasting your action if you're what you say you are.

 

[Seroja]

@Toads

For now yes because while you might be cult, she might be cult leader (might. cos like, why not). Plus I'm still not entirely convinced you're cult yet. You could be either of these two: cult or super good actor. Cos I just can't see scum acting the way you did at all, lol. Or maybe I'm just a gullible fool. I'm leaning more on the former.

About Chrys being cult, idk, I don't think so. So if she was cult and pushed for your lynch, wouldn't it look super bad for her if you got lynched and flip town? That would be such a risky thing to do.

Players I'd like to get a better read on:
Tom, Heyden, Duck, Iwase

 

[Arstotzkan]

This doesn't pertain to right now specifically, but just a general reminder to remember this is a game. Please don't attack someone's character from outside of the game. A game isnt worth making people feel like ****.

 

[toadsworthy]

*Tae is a he, you keep forgetting that Rosey

Not kept up with the thread much? I think we've universally agreed that I was the one who was meant to get shot, not entropy. Personally I'm kind of entertaining the idea that the vig is unlimited to give town a chance and to really draw the game out, but I'm not fairly certain how well that would work.

So like everyone then? Most of us are busy with lives, so that's a big plague.

Okay but do you think I'm cult leader or simply culted? Because if you think I'm cult leader, then by all means block me. If you think I'm simply cult, you're being stupid and wasting your action if you're what you say you are.

well theres the bare minimal newbie players, people with scattered posts here and there, and ones who when they are on here pursue certain ideals and stuff. So combining that with what people actually say in those posts is something I like to use to try to feel out people (also thinking of personal players' styles too) for if they are scum or not. Like amanda has the same frequency of posts as you imo, but hers show me she's actually trying and understanding (taking into account experience too).... where your post comes in here and says "well we all have lives" when I freaking know that, and don't think its a viable response to what I was saying and almost like you're trying to miss the main points of my argument. I don't discount someone just for not posting frequently, but when its combined with basic things I don't see as town-helpful or important content... thats when I get scum vibes. Its all my opinion, but I think its a viable source of trying to uncover things and shows I'm not just reading face value, but actually trying to dig a deeper.

 

[Curry]

Okay now that I'm not passed out from work, I'd like to address the Night 2 post as a time out.

I love mafia, I really do and playing it with you guys is honestly better than WoW and some other games too...but inactivity really kills it for me. Like yeah, I don't post a gigantic amount either and all, but 3 modkills, and 2 of them townies....just sucks and is really disheartening on how much I actually want to play the game. It sucks he got Lyncher on his first game (and his target was me which I found funny), so even though he was hostile third party it's just like, 3 modkills, a townie lynch (who would've ALSO been modkilled if she didn't show up five minutes before day end), and the possibility of at least one modkill tomorrow...it's really depressing. Like I love mafia a lot, but this sucks. I feel even worse for Dolby during Korean War now than I already did. I'm sorry for all the modkilling YOU have to do Kat.

Time in. More thoughts on the actual game soon.

 

[amanda1983]

My 2nd reads post (1st reads post # 266) :

Playerlist

1) Heyden
If he's town, I'm not finding anything helpful so far, but if he's *not* town then he's being pretty conspicuous - post # 797 was a standout "wtf" post for me, personally. Seems to be drawing a fair amount of attention so I don't expect he can keep coasting indefinitely. Slight indications he may be Cult, but I am far from convinced at this time.

2) Endless (AKA Abe)
Here's where I got stuck for much of my time trying to put sort my thoughts out and put my reads together. I was trying to work out the possible scenarios (Endless as Cult Leader, Endless as Cult, Endless culted N0, Endless culted N1, Endless as a hostile 3rd party {if there's a second?}, Endless as a PR, Endless as a "Townie") as well as think through the implications (.. and I thought I was mentally spinning in cycles yesterday lol..). I have a bunch of notes but I still didn't really settle on anything yet. I'll have to follow this up tomorrow.

3) Mogyay (AKA Mog)
I've not changed my read from before - if anything, I trust her more because of post # 848 (which I answered in post # 860).

4) Tom
I don't have a clue what to think of him, so essentially I've not changed my read from before - except that there are some indications he may be Cult (raised by others), but I'm far from convinced at this time.

5) Athena Cykes (AKA Meloetta) Townie. Lynched Day two.

6) Duck (AKA Pokequeen, Queenie)
I've not changed my read for now from before - I've seen slight indications she may be Cult, but I'm far from convinced at this time.

7) Damniel (AKA Daniel, CMD) 2-shot Granny. Lynched Day one.

8) Toadsworthy (AKA Toads)
I'm stumped. If he's Cult ... then I just don't see WHY so much sheer, brazen, bamboozlement was his play. Could he fake this much non-stop in-your-face desperation? Sure. Escalating random/emotional posts doesn't seem like it would be that hard to do, especially as - under these circumstances - he wasn't having to generate detailed, logically sound, reasonable posts. But.. I don't see it. If I look at his posts assuming he's Cult, I literally can't make sense of that pattern. Not for Cult from the start, not for Culted on N0 or N1(as he would have to have been in order to be Cult for D2). I just can't make this make sense. Had he been Cult and thus prepared for the events of D2 why would *that* sea of posts have been the best course of action? He forgot who he role blocked N0, claimed with a character people immediately labelled as fake as she is such a minor role in the show this game is based on..
it was a ****ing mess. I was so irritated at the over-emotional, insult-filled barrage of confusing posts from him I wanted to vote for him at one point - and I still believed him. Well, more accurately, believed there was room for him to be telling the truth within the scope of this game that has who knows what roles..

I'm not voting for Toadsworthy based on current information. If I'm wrong (again), then I'm wrong. But I'm not sold on him being Cult; not disputing the results of taesaek either, mind, I'm just really not sold on Toads going to all this effort to save himself as some kind of convoluted way to account for that "red" result. He's currently, by default, my strongest "town" read.

9) Chrystina (AKA Chrys, Alexi)
I have been over and over those posts from when the Toadsworthy thing erupted, and I just keep coming back to post # 446. I had been trying to follow the stuff with PandaDarling and initially missed the post from taesaek as I was expecting more arguing/whatever with Panda (seriously I opened up like 8 more tabs because of that, just trying to work out what was said, and what the Mafia terms were). But after reading post # 446 the stuff with Panda was forgotten. On the one hand, it's a bit obvious to have swayed from her own read of Toadsworthy so quickly and with nothing but "tone" (and meta, it seems like there is always meta to consider in this game..) to go on. On the other hand, it was born out by taesaek' subsequent posts so.. Hmm. Slight indications she may be Cult but I'm far from convinced.

10) entropy (AKA M3ow) Townie. Killed Night one.
I'll re-read their posts tomorrow as so much has happened today that I've forgotten what I'd noticed (nothing major, just a couple little things I wanted to check on).

11) cpu (AKA Crys) Townie. Modkilled Day two.

12) Curry (AKA ClamEatsCurry)
I think I've more or less answered his questions for me, I'll double check I did tomorrow. I'll have to go over his posts again tomorrow, I don't have any new ones except "Curry vs Endless?"

13) PandaDarling (AKA Panda)
As the player most familiar with the Miraculous Ladybug show (it's on my "to watch" list now!), she's been in the middle of much of the Toadsworthy situation. I don't know quite what to make of her now that so many players have raised suspicions about her - I couldn't find any part of the Toads stuff where she was "pushing" or seeming to manipulate things, and I haven't really seen any indications she may be Cult.. but with so many players having raised the idea, I have to go with there being slight indications she may be Cult, though I'm far from convinced at this time.

14) taesaek (AKA Tae)
I had this written, somehow deleted it, and can barely keep my eyes open rn.. I'll rewrite this tomorrow, but the basic gist is, hmm, I don't see why he would have acted like that if he was Cult, effectively setting up his lynch the day after Toadsworthy's if Toads flips as Rose the Role Blocker.. but if he's not Cult, and Toads isn't Cult then wtf is going on??

15) Fleshy
I'll need to go over his posts again tomorrow, I don't have any new notes on him aside from "thinks I would be a good Cult candidate lol".

16) Seroja
Probably my strongest "town" read player outside of Toadsworthy, she has given a lot of "calm down people, think!" types of posts in a level-headed way at the same time as she has been checking details (as she admitted to skimming the thread fast to catch up) # 800 in a logical, reasonable way to try and keep town on track instead of falling apart or getting (even more) wound up. As I was reading things happen I just found myself nodding in agreement at her posts, she was one of few people making sense to me (no offence anyone else) at that point. If she is Cult, I don't see why she would have chosen to be so visible at that particular time, especially by interacting with Toadsworthy so much.

17) Iwaseleanor
She stands her ground and explains herself clearly, and I especially like how concise yet clear post # 497 was. I have seen nothing to indicate she's cult at this time.

18) Menchie Lyncher. Modkilled Day two.

19) amanda1983
I'm still ridiculously pedantic. Also an idiot since it's now 3:30am but I said I'd have my reads up "by tonight" - I should have clarified I meant the *end* of tonight but that's what happens when I try to avoid being pedantic.. anyway, tonight won't end until I sleep, and I'm not sleeping until I have these ****ing reads done + posted (I'm an adult who has no outside commitments currently - under no other circumstances would I even consider pulling such a late night for any "game" that won't pay my month's rent.. I really miss poker tourneys rn.. but then, no tourney was ever this intriguing, or this engaging to me - **** I'm a masochist.. I haven't studied this hard since graduating and I'm *still* keen to continue playing and learning more about this crazy game..)

20) Wisemimir (AKA Wise, Godot)
Skipping as they're due to be mod-killed.

21) Tasuot Townie. Modkilled Day two.

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It's now 4:40am and I've been working on this for wayyyy too long, trying to work out what is going on and who is on what side. I've still got to make a couple of these reads more fleshed-out after I checked some stuff out with my coach - I got the answers and have read some links but have to let it all settle for a bit before I try writing it up.