Mafia Miraculous Ladybug Cultists [Congrats Cult!]

[mogyay]

i'm awake now and i'd like to apologise to tae and athena. i think at this point it's absolutely ridiculous to assume that toad is still town. i was unable to appreciate all the things not adding up because of misplaced trust and i should have just went with my head over my heart cause there's now just way too many things not adding up for toad

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now toad is just laughing in our faces with all this 'rose the roleblocker' and stupid poems

 

[toadsworthy]

i'm awake now and i'd like to apologise to tae and athena. i think at this point it's absolutely ridiculous to assume that toad is still town. i was unable to appreciate all the things not adding up because of misplaced trust and i should have just went with my head over my heart cause there's now just way too many things not adding up for toad

I'm so sorry you feel this way, I would not want you to be hurt, but I guess you will understand me when I get lynched....

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*headdesk*

Just to check I've got this right : mass role-claiming at this stage would be bad for town, and ideal for cult/any remaining hostile 3rd parties, yes? And, presumably, good for Toadsworthy personally as the odds of all 21 players in this game having strictly logical names and roles are surely astronomically unlikely (I don't know the show myself, but it would shock me to learn that the show somehow has an ideal character for every role in this game ; though not as much as it would shock me if we, the players, were to somehow reach a concensus as to whether Toadsworthy's claim "fit" or not even if we *did* all name-and-role-claim...).. meaning there would be room for doubt in any case for him, right?

Following on from that, speaking generally : the more confused and muddlied pro-town players are, the better for cult/hostile 3rd parties (I'm vague on if there can only be one of those or if more than one has been ruled out?), yes? Which means that the more time and effort we spend debating random theories - instead of trying to puzzle out who is actually cult/hostile 3rd party - the harder it's going to be for town to pull together and win.

So : does trying to work out what roles are in this particular setup benefit town in any specific way? I assume it could clear up some confusion, yes, but would it actually help town win the game?

Final question for now, which I feel like I know the answer to but want to make very sure of just in case I'm mistaken : is there any benefit to town for a Role Blocking player to announce in-game that they're RBing a specific player tonight? Is this a thing that is normally done (announced ahead of time)?

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^ oops, make that last part "Final 2 questions for now,", please.

no I screwed up by already sending in my RB on tom... but no one else was offering who I should role block so I went with my gut

 

[Endless]

Btw, I think Endless probably would have been culted by now. Just a thought.

This is why we can't have nice things.


Amanda, I'm incredibly impressed with your play so far. To answer your question about whether him announcing it tonight is protown: yes. Since by all rights he should be dead by vig shot when nights over. (So, in the extremely narrow and unlikely chance that he is town, we have that extra bit of information to work with.)

@Panda the level of reasonable doubt isn't high enough for that to be necessary.

 

[tae]

i might actually agree with endless' thoughts on vig taking a shot tonight if they have one.. if theres this much doubt about toad now that my sanity is confirmed there's no reason to waste the lynch on him if we can hit cult tonight with a vig shot AND work together the next day to find remaining cult.

 

[toadsworthy]

i'm awake now and i'd like to apologise to tae and athena. i think at this point it's absolutely ridiculous to assume that toad is still town. i was unable to appreciate all the things not adding up because of misplaced trust and i should have just went with my head over my heart cause there's now just way too many things not adding up for toad

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now toad is just laughing in our faces with all this 'rose the roleblocker' and stupid poems

no, I'm laughing because I am definitely Rose the Roleblocker and I have given up because there is no way anyone is going to believe me.

You all have so much invested in me being Cult that its a no-brainer I'm gonna be lynched and you all believe in your soul that I'm going to turn up scum.
Put just for a second.... I want you to think, what are you going to do if I turn up town? hm?
Are you going to lynch Tae under giving wrong information?
Lynch Chrys for going along with everything so eagerly?
Or just give up because your main scum read is bogus....

Start thinking now everyone, because I guarantee thats going to be a reality this time end of next day.

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i might actually agree with endless' thoughts on vig taking a shot tonight if they have one.. if theres this much doubt about toad now that my sanity is confirmed there's no reason to waste the lynch on him if we can hit cult tonight with a vig shot AND work together the next day to find remaining cult.

no, you said I have tonight to prove I'm role blocker.

 

[tae]

i'd rather we just shoot you bc you didn't wanna cooperate. i don't see how you RBing tom is going to prove you're town to us?

 

[toadsworthy]

i'd rather we just shoot you bc you didn't wanna cooperate. i don't see how you RBing tom is going to prove you're town to us?

well its gonna be even more pitiful when I role block, get the evidence I need to prove it, then die by vig wasting a shot and then my role gets posted showing I'm actually Rose the Roleblocker

 

[mogyay]

@amanda i'm honestly not being rude when i ask this i'm just curious, why aren't you asking your coach all this? i'm becoming slightly paranoid at this point in time and i notice you haven't actually done all that much since your last reads (i know you said you spent 36 hours reading up so), you've just sussed a pretty inactive player and asked a whole bunch of questions, you have a lot of content but i'm not sure all of it is actually helping us AND I KNOW YOU'RE NEW AND I'M SORRY but like, at this point i'm paranoid.

also i don't think it's that weird to assume seroja is most likely working with toad, if she manages to get him through one more cycle cult have are in a really good position to win

anyway i'm going back to sleep now sigh

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amanda is also a player who is being town read by basically everyone (bar abe) so culting her might have been an ok idea actually, hm, i know she's new so it'd be risky but she's obviously a pretty good player

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(bar abe at one point iirc **** is what i should have said)

 

[toadsworthy]

"didn't wanna cooperate" I asked who should I role block but you all were just salty after EoD rather than believing me and focusing on wtf is happening in this game, so I'm taking matters into my own hands, because thats literally the only person I have on my side. You continue to just badger and belittle me this entire freaking day, so what am I supposed to do? be happy go lucky, friendly with you now, yeah right? I act nice and follow along and give you what you want (like with my role name and actual logical thinking) and you just crap all over it without ever thinking from my Point of view, because I guarantee no one in a mafia game has been in a more strange position than me right now. You never wanted to cooperate with me because you are dead set on my scumminess and you can't take for a moment that you could be wrong and I am actually telling the truth. so gg, I don't know what the hell cult did, but it worked.

 

[tae]

"didn't wanna cooperate" I asked who should I role block but you all were just salty after EoD rather than believing me and focusing on wtf is happening in this game, so I'm taking matters into my own hands, because thats literally the only person I have on my side. You continue to just badger and belittle me this entire freaking day, so what am I supposed to do? be happy go lucky, friendly with you now, yeah right? I act nice and follow along and give you what you want (like with my role name and actual logical thinking) and you just crap all over it without ever thinking from my Point of view, because I guarantee no one in a mafia game has been in a more strange position than me right now. You never wanted to cooperate with me because you are dead set on my scumminess and you can't take for a moment that you could be wrong and I am actually telling the truth. so gg, I don't know what the hell cult did, but it worked.

please just explain to me then how it is i get a sus on you and a not sus on athena and she flipped town?
is it possible to actually only be slightly insane? if so how does one come up with the idea of when it will be accurate and when it wont? every other night? so my first night i was sane, my second night i wasnt? so my next inspection should be accurate then right?

i don't know how to make heads or tails of this toad. what do you want from me? to ignore that my cop inspection on you came back positive for you being scum?? that's not really logical to do when my first target flipped town just like my inspection said.

 

[toadsworthy]

please just explain to me then how it is i get a sus on you and a not sus on athena and she flipped town?
is it possible to actually only be slightly insane? if so how does one come up with the idea of when it will be accurate and when it wont? every other night? so my first night i was sane, my second night i wasnt? so my next inspection should be accurate then right?

i don't know how to make heads or tails of this toad. what do you want from me? to ignore that my cop inspection on you came back positive for you being scum?? that's not really logical to do when my first target flipped town just like my inspection said.

is it really logical to keep sussing someone who acts like I am right now? and if you notice I write these responses literally seconds after you post to show, I'm not plotting from my cult den what to say each time.... this is my raw first response emotion. If no one can believe me over these inspections I don't know what else to do, and you guys are screwed because I'm definitely town. there are framers and I'm sure a logical option we aren't thinking of, but I'm wracking my head around it and I'm getting nothing.... thats why I was so psyched for insane cop idea because it worked.... since it didn't I'm literally reeling from trying to figure this out. I mean framer is an option, but like a framer and a bus driver?

is it really so hard to believe a framer wouldn't pick me to look scummy? obviously I had a lot of sus on me, and so I was a clear target for any inspections, and so put it on me to solidify everyone's thoughts about me being scum.... but I am not for cripes sake, I'm not, how many more times do I have to freaking say it

 

[tae]

is it really logical to keep sussing someone who acts like I am right now? and if you notice I write these responses literally seconds after you post to show, I'm not plotting from my cult den what to say each time.... this is my raw first response emotion. If no one can believe me over these inspections I don't know what else to do, and you guys are screwed because I'm definitely town. there are framers and I'm sure a logical option we aren't thinking of, but I'm wracking my head around it and I'm getting nothing.... thats why I was so psyched for insane cop idea because it worked.... since it didn't I'm literally reeling from trying to figure this out. I mean framer is an option, but like a framer and a bus driver?

is it really so hard to believe a framer wouldn't pick me to look scummy? obviously I had a lot of sus on me, and so I was a clear target for any inspections, and so put it on me to solidify everyone's thoughts about me being scum.... but I am not for cripes sake, I'm not, how many more times do I have to freaking say it

it's possible the bus driver is town. idk if a bus driver would be in the same game w/ a framer but we've seen some weird set ups before so maybe thats the case? kat likes to have fun with things but i don't know. theres so many if and buts holy **** this game hurts.

 

[Chrystina]

no, I'm laughing because I am definitely Rose the Roleblocker and I have given up because there is no way anyone is going to believe me.

You all have so much invested in me being Cult that its a no-brainer I'm gonna be lynched and you all believe in your soul that I'm going to turn up scum.
Put just for a second.... I want you to think, what are you going to do if I turn up town? hm?
Are you going to lynch Tae under giving wrong information?
Lynch Chrys for going along with everything so eagerly?
Or just give up because your main scum read is bogus....

Start thinking now everyone, because I guarantee thats going to be a reality this time end of next day.

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no, you said I have tonight to prove I'm role blocker.

jfc toads "lynch chrys for going along with everything so eagerly" it gives me a headache just thinking of trying to explain this one. but i'm not even going to bother because it's so typical for cult-sided you to have me at a town read, then start blaming me once things look bad for you.
Honestly just stop with the emotion. It's derailing this thread so much and giving me 20+ posts to read back on when I go afk for 10 mins. But I'll play along just this once, if you "turn up town" why don't you leave us with something? Some reads? Cause I would love to see what you do with all those town reads you had on n1, who are now sussing you.

 

[toadsworthy]

it's possible the bus driver is town. idk if a bus driver would be in the same game w/ a framer but we've seen some weird set ups before so maybe thats the case? kat likes to have fun with things but i don't know. theres so many if and buts holy **** this game hurts.

I am picturing a cult framer and a town bus driver... you usually think of mafia role blocker and mafia bus driver, flip the script and make them town to make it interesting. I swear to god I am a role blocker, I was just as weirded out as you guys are to the idea. Hence why I didn't just outright claim earlier, I was scared people were gonna just discredit it.

and I am not thinking there is a Vig to talk to. I feel like a 1-shot would've outted after that convo and a full one would pick off even more towns people making it terrible for us. unless its that cat guy sidekick thing

SK I am definitely more inclined to believe. and because of that I don't think I will die tonight, because a SK would also like an easy lynch next day AKA me....

 

[Chrystina]

We don't even know if the cult has pr's. That's why I've kept saying the probability of there being a framer, is close to none.

 

[toadsworthy]

jfc toads "lynch chrys for going along with everything so eagerly" it gives me a headache just thinking of trying to explain this one. but i'm not even going to bother because it's so typical for cult-sided you to have me at a town read, then start blaming me once things look bad for you.
Honestly just stop with the emotion. It's derailing this thread so much and giving me 20+ posts to read back on when I go afk for 10 mins. But I'll play along just this once, if you "turn up town" why don't you leave us with something? Some reads? Cause I would love to see what you do with all those town reads you had on n1, who are now sussing you.

trust me, I have a microsoft word document of something to post right before this night ends... honestly I am fighting for my life right now, its not a matter of who am I sus of.... the best thing I can do for town is stay alive and thats my main priority right now.

you don't think for a second you are gonna look sketchy after I die and flip town. Tae is gonna be ok because he just communicated the information. But you are the one going relentlessly on me, for seemingly no reason but the utmost belief that Tae's inspections are telling the truth. You keep trying to add insult to injury with turning everything I say into slips or little hints that I'm actually saying I'm cult when I'M NOT.

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We don't even know if the cult has pr's. That's why I've kept saying the probability of there being a framer, is close to none.

ok, well if you are so full of knowledge go ahead and try to explain this huh? what is your explanation?

Put yourself in my shoes, and you know you are offing town. How do you explain all that has happened? can you even come up with a scenario besides framer to explain it? start wracking your brain, because you're gonna have to do it when I get lynched or shot

 

[Chrystina]

oh my god. i'm done trying to discuss anything with you, toads. i'll be back when day post is up, unless anyone else mentions something of a different topic.

 

[toadsworthy]

No really, I will buy a tasty cake and send it to anyone who can put themselves in my position with the insane cop ruled out, Tae's inspection coming out on me being cult, knowing you are definitely town (I've looked at the role PM 1000 times) and explain all that bs without a framer.... go ahead... try

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oh my god. i'm done trying to discuss anything with you, toads. i'll be back when day post is up, unless anyone else mentions something of a different topic.

you are literally gonna be flabbergasted when you see my role

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oh my god. i'm done trying to discuss anything with you, toads. i'll be back when day post is up, unless anyone else mentions something of a different topic.

or please elucidate what I should be doing right now to try to not get killed? please... anyone send me a life line because I'm drowning over here and its gonna be ya'lls denial or adherence to a strict form of mafia that is to blame.... not me pointing to my towniness in neon lights every second of this gd game

 

[Trent the Paladin]

Can we stop reading the insane players posts? Reading and responding to them make me wanna drink. The chances of there being a cult framer strike me as impossible, so even if Toad was the Role blocker at one point he's clearly not now. Not to mention someone who "has towns best interests at heart" wouldn't be clogging the thread with bad poetry. Toad can "block" me all he wants.

 

[amanda1983]

@amanda i'm honestly not being rude when i ask this i'm just curious, why aren't you asking your coach all this? i'm becoming slightly paranoid at this point in time and i notice you haven't actually done all that much since your last reads (i know you said you spent 36 hours reading up so), you've just sussed a pretty inactive player and asked a whole bunch of questions, you have a lot of content but i'm not sure all of it is actually helping us AND I KNOW YOU'RE NEW AND I'M SORRY but like, at this point i'm paranoid.

also i don't think it's that weird to assume seroja is most likely working with toad, if she manages to get him through one more cycle cult have are in a really good position to win

anyway i'm going back to sleep now sigh

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amanda is also a player who is being town read by basically everyone (bar abe) so culting her might have been an ok idea actually, hm, i know she's new so it'd be risky but she's obviously a pretty good player

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(bar abe at one point iirc **** is what i should have said)

That's a good question, no offense taken at all, and I should have thought to explain that with my last post in particular : I had been going to send the general questions to my coach, leaving just the ones specific ones for here but I realised that would still leave me short of at least some of the information I'm actually after, unless my coach has been following along with this thread *very* closely. And they can't give me any info that would influence my actions, just answer my "beginner player" questions. Whilst I have those, and will continue to try to take those to my coach to avoid clogging up this thread unnecessarily, I do see benefit to asking my more game-specific questions here.

My "Final 2 questions for now" may seem quite general but theoritical info won't help me make any decisions, and I'm trying to think my way through things NOW, not for the future. So asking it here gets me perhaps less general information, but already gave me additional information to work on with the answer from Endless - in fact that post made something "click" from earlier today and puts a whole chain of comments in a different light for me.

I will try harder to explain any questions I ask here, to make it clear why I'm asking them here rather than of my coach.