Mafia Mountainous by Demand (ENDGAME- AND THE FINAL MAFIA IS...)

[Antonio]

So wait, are people scum reading me for inactivity and typing a long post?

The inactivity was out of control. ;-;

 

[toadsworthy]

I have not put inactivity in any of my reads on you

 

[dedenne]

so was it only heyden and daniel that voted unravel?

 

[toadsworthy]

daniel didn't vote, and it was me and heyden from what i can tell that voted for unravel

 

[dedenne]

reading from page 15 since to be fair i cant remember much

 

[radical6]

Out of Heyden and Toads I sus Heyden more. He didn't seem in favor of a Daniel lynch (distancing himself) but he didn't bother to defend him at all. Daniel's read on him was null. Its not much, but thats a relationship I noticed between the two.

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Toad seems adamant abour waffles. Perhaps he wanted to save his scumbuddy (if he is scum) by encouraging a waffles lynch. But the fact hes still set on her seems rather focused and townie imo.

So I'm tossing up with Antonio and Heyden. Waffles a bit but I will probably park a vote on either of those 2. I am busy tomorrow with school so I might be gone for the end of the day and might have to vote tonight.

 

[Heyden]

I’ll go into depth later after school but for now my current thoughts:
Town: Geoni/Dedenne
Null:Antonio/Radical/Toads
Scum: Waffles

I’m inclined to vote Antonio either but not so much Toads/Radical, so you could say I slightly townlean them.

 

[radical6]

I'm not sure what to feel about waffles. Toad says her tone or something is more serious but I don't really see it. Though the reaction shr had to almost being lynched was one of the few times I've ever seen her defend herself strongly tbh.

 

[Heyden]

So wait, are people scum reading me for inactivity and typing a long post?

The inactivity was out of control. ;-;

I don’t think anyone is pinning you for that specifically. Besides, you’ve only posted a few less posts than me/Dedenne/Toads.

so was it only heyden and daniel that voted unravel?

Geoni did too, from Daniel.

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IDK part of me just feels Waffles is too... obvious? to be true.

 

[Geoni]

Alright, been a busy day and work night but I'm around. Gotta approach this thing fresh because everyone has their pros and cons and as much as I want to call spew law I just gotta read this from start to finish.

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I still think waffles is most likely suspect, she was left out of daniel's reads and her tone is a lot more uptight/serious than usual.

Antonio, geoni, and radical are also most likely after that.

Heyden's post about leaving ness alive 20 minutes before he died seems like a really weird thing to say if he actually was the last scum. He's much more clear to me from here on out.

Antonio has a post about asking if we know how many mafia there truly are, which I guess could be staged... but like doesn't seem like an antonio-maf thing to do. If it weren't for that then I would honestly have him on the same level as waffles since he joined the daniel lynch train kinda late and looking back now looks like a possible bus when he knew daniel was sunk or at least knew he would be a strong candidate for future lynches too.

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I'm really confused....

so radical's post in the night said she didn't understand the pivot lynch to waffles, but if she was mafia and just had her one partner killed I don't know why she would be talking people out of another possible lynch. I feel like she would be speaking a little more generally and keeping waffles in a suspect pool .

I have no idea why geoni would kill ness night 1. He was setting up ness to be a prime lynch candidate at least at some point. I mean this could be a bait on his part to steer us away from him, but like... I don't think he would've done that so early on. Like there was other better candidates he could've gotten rid of this night 1 like myself or dedenne who were clearly becoming candidates that would be universally avoided for lynch candidates.

Honestly waffles or bust lol. I hope you are just the last one so I don't have to re think about all this lol

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I'll also feel better about not voting daniel day 1 if I know I still voted for a scum lol

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also please unlock the voting thread bianca

As much as I fear that kill was a kill Toads would make this catch up and re-evaluation of the game shows a good balance of prioritization of suspects after analyzing everyone and kind of PoEing them the way I would (day-specific PoE). There are a lot of conclusions I could go into specifics about and I might do that later but two things that jump out to me are:

1) Toads why does that moment alone clear Heyden for you, I mostly want to treat it as NAI joking or at the most mildly suspicious if I were to theorize that it was thrown out there as WIFOMish distancing from the kill because it would be so dumb if Heyden said something like that as mafia. I'm not completely buying my own theory here yet and wanna conclude that it's an NAI moment but people have pointed out that they don't think Heyden is mafia because he wouldn't be doing wolfing so poorly.

2) I'm not sure I understand what it is you're concluding here about radical?

Also Antonio would certainly dumbtell as mafia but I'm not going to top-sus him on that alone, I gotta do my own eval of him.

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I just woke up. I didn't think I was gonna sleep that long (fell asleep around 3pm and woke up and it was like 3am). I'll be catching up right now.

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I just realized you quoted me, it's a good thing I got my glasses now

Those opinions were in the original quote that you quoted. Those opinions weren't really role indicating so I left them out of my main post.

Yeah I was asking at the time for you to share what you omitted regardless because of how you were only really looking at one person. If you are lazy scum who would be bussing and doing lazy tactics like trying to get derpcleared while not really providing too many reads then I think now, more than ever, I'd like to know what your omitted reads were at the time regardless of whether you have abandoned them or not.

I feel like you could be scum on an overall level here so if you wanted to lazy bus Dan and ride on that towncred and hope it lets you get away with not providing reads on everyone, it's not something I'd let you do.

 

[Geoni]

Out of Heyden and Toads I sus Heyden more. He didn't seem in favor of a Daniel lynch (distancing himself) but he didn't bother to defend him at all. Daniel's read on him was null. Its not much, but thats a relationship I noticed between the two.

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Toad seems adamant abour waffles. Perhaps he wanted to save his scumbuddy (if he is scum) by encouraging a waffles lynch. But the fact hes still set on her seems rather focused and townie imo.

So I'm tossing up with Antonio and Heyden. Waffles a bit but I will probably park a vote on either of those 2. I am busy tomorrow with school so I might be gone for the end of the day and might have to vote tonight.

I'm mindmelding with like...90% of this post. I don't excuse a tunnel if it means that Toads isn't looking at anyone else but he has. I'd like a little more, but he has.

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I’ll go into depth later after school but for now my current thoughts:
Town: Geoni/Dedenne
Null:Antonio/Radical/Toads
Scum: Waffles

I’m inclined to vote Antonio either but not so much Toads/Radical, so you could say I slightly townlean them.

Why are you still null on those three at this point?

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Though the reaction shr had to almost being lynched was one of the few times I've ever seen her defend herself strongly tbh.

I don't even remember her meta well enough to be confident about a statement like that?

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I think I'm at Antonio -> Heyden -> Waffles -> Dedenne -Toads in order of most to least suspicious here.

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Antonio -> Heyden -> Waffles -> radical -> Dedenne -> Toads*

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@Waffles: could you provide some expansion of your initial D2 reads when you get the chance? I can see some bus equity in your EoD if I'm being honest.

 

[Heyden]

Yeah I didn’t really mean to put them in null , I was just regurgitating a post before I left. It was more slight town lean Toads and radical, slight scumlean Antonio.

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Actually I’ll push Antonio up to a strong scumlean. His dumbtelling of not knowing how many mafia members then immediately correcting himself felt lowkey manufactured. However in past games I don’t think he really pays attention so it’s difficult to determine one or the other lol. Also his hard scumlean of Daniel in less than an hour of reading felt kinda odd, either to make himself look better as scum, or is a sheeping townie. Honestly I don’t know, Antonio is one of those people I can never read but I’m down for his lynch anyway.

 

[Geoni]

I know it's a simplistic choice and too easy but that's kinda where I am, yeah. And then if he flips town I'd probably be weighing you vs Waffles.

 

[Heyden]

Actually no, why would he kill Ness, the only person who was townreading him prior to like 1 minute before night ended.

 

[radical6]

Well shes certainly changed over the years but I remember back when mafia was alive she was kinda like "oh ok fine youre all gonna lynch me whatever" not indication of her alignment, i just thought her growth was neat.

Anyway I'm voting for Heyden. I disagree that waffles = scum bc daniel didnt talk about her. If anything I think the whole thing where Daniel and Heyden briefly mentioning each other and kind of keeping themselves within their own bubble is plausible. If hes not scum then I can see my antonio world view where it was just lazy.

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Am also up for Antonio lynch though.

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If I'm not on tomorrow night its coz of an upcoming exam. Hope i can pop in tomorrow at eod but yeah

 

[Geoni]

Actually no, why would he kill Ness, the only person who was townreading him prior to like 1 minute before night ended.

Towncred. I can still see Antonio making the kill too.

My only thing with Antonio is that I recall him trying more when he's mafia. And the post after the suspected dumbtell from him seems like he's also trying to dumbtell that he wasn't invested enough to see whether his partner was getting lynched or not if he's scum here.

I'll ISO waffles and check what Ness reads were on her in a few.

 

[Geoni]

Okay it's just as odd of a kill coming from Waffles when looked at simply, he didn't want her lynch

 

[unravel]

I got no time to read everything currently doing smthinf for pre employment and found a free wifi

Tbh I like when Heyden and Toads are really hesitant to lynch me without really a strong reason to lynch me tbh this is gonna be like punchy game all over again where people focusinf lynching on one person and turns out to be a TOWN all along

Tbh I'm obviously not a scum, I'm just a townie. You guys are really wastinf ur time voting me thos two are REALLY SKEPTICAL voting daniel and they prefer lynching me over anyone else. If yall doing this based on day 1 and gut feeling then obviously ur not thinking straight but wasting entire time. I have the right to defend myself and I dont really want to waste a mislynch because we are this close to win anyway.

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I mean even Antonio and Ness have really a GOOD points on explaining, i didnt explain much about daniel cuz obviously my net is scum xD

I even seriously dunno why u guys suspected antonio like dude 5 town 2 scum why would antonio take a huge risk??????

 

[Heyden]

Towncred. I can still see Antonio making the kill too.

My only thing with Antonio is that I recall him trying more when he's mafia. And the post after the suspected dumbtell from him seems like he's also trying to dumbtell that he wasn't invested enough to see whether his partner was getting lynched or not if he's scum here.

I'll ISO waffles and check what Ness reads were on her in a few.

I don't think Antonio knows what that means, nor would his intention to kill Ness be based on that. My problem with his 'dumbtelling' is that he's done this on several occasions during past games as a townie, which is why at this point I'm not sure whether to consider it void or not. On the other hand, l don't really know who else to pin as scum.

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I even seriously dunno why u guys suspected antonio like dude 5 town 2 scum why would antonio take a huge risk??????

So you TR Antonio?

 

[Heyden]

Whatever, I'll vote Antonio for now in case I can't tomorrow. I have other theories but I'm too unmotivated with life in general to dive into them for now, maybe tomorrow or something.