Mafia Mountainous by Demand (ENDGAME- AND THE FINAL MAFIA IS...)

[radical6]

Ive just been on Heyden. When you mentioned if Antonio would be strong enough to bus even to save his hide.. yeah I think I'm overthinking him too much.

What are ur thoughts on dedenne?

Unvoting antonio and switching to heyden

 

[Heyden]

I’m on mobile at school and I accidentally closed my previous tab, awesome. Bear with me alright:
‘Why was Ness less clear for you than me at this moment?’
It was more, you were more clear, than Ness being less clear. You’re usually an instant townread for me in most games, your play just screams town and I honestly don’t remember the last time you were scum to have a real indication of your scumplay. As for Ness, I believed he was town, just not as confident.

‘Dan felt too obvious to be true and he flipped mafia. Why this progression on Waffles?’
Daniel is a naturally scummy person no matter his alignment, he says things that easily gets him lynched. I probably can’t even count the number of times he’s been lynched on D1/D2 as town/mafia. From that I kind of just assumed the least and believed he was town, and because his current thoughts aligned with mine.
As for Waffles, I feel her behaviour is indicative of scum, but Daniels direct avoidance of mentioning her at all feels weird and is throwing me off.

‘Didn't you sound uncertain about how Antonio played in the past in an earlier read? Why are you selectively knowing his meta here?’ I know his meta, I just don’t know how to read him because he dumbtells regardless of alignment.

‘Not asking you to dive into them but what are the other theories, briefly?‘
I was thinking Radical last night but that sounds like OMGUS

 

[Geoni]

hello friends, I'm alive! I'm hungover af, but I now remember this lol

-I don't think damniel is scum because what he did was obvious to pick out and I think he would know to be more sneaky if he was actually scum. Also a ton of people are going along with it so, I don't think obvious wolf is wolf.

-Heyden's reasoning for me being scum is dumb. I use ellipses a lot and clearly my post was a joke because i spelled baby like that. But again I think there is way more for him to go off of if he was scum, this sounds like town post.

-Kallie's analysis on geoni is interesting. I vibe with it and feel like geoni does seem suspicious so far. He's definitely strong enough of a player to come in and be involved all subtle like. Saying things like "daniel and toads needs to be resolved" just feels very scummy... like he's suggesting where the conversation should be to try to influence everyone

- I applaud dedenne for making those reads, if she is scum doing that on day 1 then I'll be impressed because I feel like she tends to be more avoidant than anything

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geoni is on my radar, heyden is too because that reasoning for me is on my semantics.... eager to see how you change from here on out. ness, dedenne, daniel, I town lean so far... everyone else is null right now. I'll probably mull over and rethink things throughout the day and as more comes in. I have no commitments today so I'll probably just be playing BOTW and checking in to make a better vote when I'm rehydrated and not so fuzzy.

I'm glad my **** posts generated some content at least.

First serious post is a solid set of reads but I have to consider that nuanced thought can be faked by Toads. The defense of Dan at the surface level feels like uncertainty but if coming off as such was his goal, an easy way to do it is to hard townreading the guy who flips mafia while starting a counterwagon on Waffles with iffy justification.

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Ive just been on Heyden. When you mentioned if Antonio would be strong enough to bus even to save his hide.. yeah I think I'm overthinking him too much.

What are ur thoughts on dedenne?

Unvoting antonio and switching to heyden

Dedenne is still just town and her reads feel genuinely uncertain but eager to solve and compromise so far so that's my read there.

 

[Heyden]

Will try to iso tods latee. Doubt a toad ly ch will happen though. Might need to iso dedenne too.

And thanks toad. Yeah im pretty demoralized rn but I hope to post more in a hour. Rip

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Im down to voting heyden btw. Antonio killing ness is meh. Would think he wouldve killed you insteas.

Why wouldn?t Antonio kill Ness.

 

[Geoni]

*tells me to read tips thread* thats condescending af

still don't think daniel is scum, because I think he would be a little more motivated as scum to stay alive.... his play doesn't make sense. And yeah the way its kind of gathered very quickly is sus.

antonio's post looks like trying to justify jumping on that train and it doesn't sit well with me rn

heyden's read on me is worse that dan's, which again makes no sense why he would throw out something so irrelevant when he knows he would get flak for it

Geoni has scum vibes so far for me. I think saying it needs to be resolved kinda feeds into the train and drives us towards focusing on this daniel stuff over anything else which sounds. His posts in general just feel weird for day 1, they sound like town controlling which i'm not about.

Kallie and I seem to have same reasoning, which makes me feel more town about her, but I know similar logic doesn't = town.

Waffles seems way more down-to-business than her typical meme self, and she always seems to flaunt in games when she's in town that she is a "very obvious scum" so idk she feels off too

I think will rest my vote on waffles. Because she is really saying she's gonna add to convo provide reads, but I haven't seen it yet. She seems more serious/tryhard. I know you are busy, but doesn't take away that you seem more careful for some reason

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I understand the lynch for information thing, but I'd rather not lynch someone who I feel is town

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sorry I'll use radical more now... between you and geoni, I know I'm gonna screw it up, so I'm sorry in advance

This could have been another straightforward defense of Dan and he wanted us to think he wasn't scum due to lack of motivation and was expressing to him in a quick topic that he should stay unmotivated and come off as not being his usual scum self to help Toads defensive narrative. While finding the wagon 'yucky'. It actually partially worked on me by EoD, along with the 'nobody is defending him' thought.

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I like it better than daniel, and she is way more serious than she typically is this early in game. She always says its very obvious when she's scum.... and I know its a trivial thing but usually she says that a lot

I would vote otherwise to get it off daniel.... idk why heyden is voting for her now though

This was his last post before EoD1 and yeah, it's such a basic and easy counter to push at this moment. Easy day 1 counters were Antonio and Waffles.

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lol rip me

Oh ok you realize I?d never act like that if Daniel was my scummate good. What do you want to know

@Heyden do you still think this reaction was genuine? I don't.

 

[Heyden]

The fact that radical is so pivotal on me makes me feel she’s town, because her as scum probably wouldn’t bring attention to herself by tunneling a townie.
Waffles parked vote on Daniel the more I think of it feels real, especially since she intended on sleeping in/accidentally waking up late or whatever.
Dedenne and Geoni town, I guess?
Toads I’m slightly TLing for now based on his one reaction post so far.

Antonio will still be my vote.

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Tbh I do because that is the stuff I’d say as town when I’m under suspicion.

 

[Geoni]

I still think waffles is most likely suspect, she was left out of daniel's reads and her tone is a lot more uptight/serious than usual.

Antonio, geoni, and radical are also most likely after that.

Heyden's post about leaving ness alive 20 minutes before he died seems like a really weird thing to say if he actually was the last scum. He's much more clear to me from here on out.

Antonio has a post about asking if we know how many mafia there truly are, which I guess could be staged... but like doesn't seem like an antonio-maf thing to do. If it weren't for that then I would honestly have him on the same level as waffles since he joined the daniel lynch train kinda late and looking back now looks like a possible bus when he knew daniel was sunk or at least knew he would be a strong candidate for future lynches too.

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I'm really confused....

so radical's post in the night said she didn't understand the pivot lynch to waffles, but if she was mafia and just had her one partner killed I don't know why she would be talking people out of another possible lynch. I feel like she would be speaking a little more generally and keeping waffles in a suspect pool .

I have no idea why geoni would kill ness night 1. He was setting up ness to be a prime lynch candidate at least at some point. I mean this could be a bait on his part to steer us away from him, but like... I don't think he would've done that so early on. Like there was other better candidates he could've gotten rid of this night 1 like myself or dedenne who were clearly becoming candidates that would be universally avoided for lynch candidates.

Honestly waffles or bust lol. I hope you are just the last one so I don't have to re think about all this lol

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I'll also feel better about not voting daniel day 1 if I know I still voted for a scum lol

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also please unlock the voting thread bianca

'She was left out of Dan's reads'

1) Why didn't you point that out during the night?

2) Why was I kept alive, Ness killed when he still had you kind of in his PoE, and you didn't look at spew and use it against Waffles until I said 'Dan spew is law'

I think me saying that it was law was incorrect and he figured this was the right thing to say to me.

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@ Heyden @Radical if all three of us vote Toads we could have him lynched here.

 

[radical6]

-I don't think damniel is scum because what he did was obvious to pick out and I think he would know to be more sneaky if he was actually scum. Also a ton of people are going along with it so, I don't think obvious wolf is wolf.

-Kallie's analysis on geoni is interesting. I vibe with it and feel like geoni does seem suspicious so far. He's definitely strong enough of a player to come in and be involved all subtle like. Saying things like "daniel and toads needs to be resolved" just feels very scummy... like he's suggesting where the conversation should be to try to influence everyone

- I applaud dedenne for making those reads, if she is scum doing that on day 1 then I'll be impressed because I feel like she tends to be more avoidant than anything


geoni is on my radar, heyden is too because that reasoning for me is on my semantics.... eager to see how you change from here on out. ness, dedenne, daniel, I town lean so far... everyone else is null right now. I'll probably mull over and rethink things throughout the day and as more comes in. I have no commitments today so I'll probably just be playing BOTW and checking in to make a better vote when I'm rehydrated and not so fuzzy.

I'm glad my **** posts generated some content at least.

antonio's post looks like trying to justify jumping on that train and it doesn't sit well with me rn

Waffles seems way more down-to-business than her typical meme self, and she always seems to flaunt in games when she's in town that she is a "very obvious scum" so idk she feels off too

I think will rest my vote on waffles. Because she is really saying she's gonna add to convo provide reads, but I haven't seen it yet. She seems more serious/tryhard. I know you are busy, but doesn't take away that you seem more careful for some reason

took out the bits i didnt care about. Toad is hesitant about Daniel clearly. This is where the waffles train begins imo. I understand it was day 1 so it was just gut feels but at that point I hadn't seen much "seriousness" coming out of her until she almost died.

not saying PoE can't be used on day 1, but I think its far less useful right now.... and i don't want to throw out possible PoE's for confusion sake later. Idgaf who or what experience that comes from, so you can stop trying to impress me and everyone else we know you know how to play this game[/QUOTE

lol

I like it better than daniel, and she is way more serious than she typically is this early in game. She always says its very obvious when she's scum.... and I know its a trivial thing but usually she says that a lot

I would vote otherwise to get it off daniel.... idk why heyden is voting for her now though

Keeps up with his logic from before. Brings up Heyden again and is still skeptical of him due to the crackpot thing early on the game.

I still think waffles is most likely suspect, she was left out of daniel's reads and her tone is a lot more uptight/serious than usual.

Still tunneling waffles. Not much proof for how she is uptight still. Added daniels reads as a new piece of evidence though.

Heyden's post about leaving ness alive 20 minutes before he died seems like a really weird thing to say if he actually was the last scum. He's much more clear to me from here on out.

Townread heyden now ?

Antonio has a post about asking if we know how many mafia there truly are, which I guess could be staged... but like doesn't seem like an antonio-maf thing to do. If it weren't for that then I would honestly have him on the same level as waffles since he joined the daniel lynch train kinda late and looking back now looks like a possible bus when he knew daniel was sunk or at least knew he would be a strong candidate for future lynches too.

So wait, because Antonio asked a silly question, it feels like something he wouldn't do as mafia? Idk thats something very easy to fake especially when I was confused about the setup still and he could have been inspired from that. (Idk if that post came before me asking or what but not enough time to check atm).

If Antonio faked it then would you switch to him?

Why wouldn?t Antonio kill Ness.

Its not that Antonio wouldn't kill Ness, but would prioritize Dad more for being a "strong" leader. At least thats where I feel like his playstyle and level is at.

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**** i ****ed up the post. well idk if i can fix that in time so good luck deciphering it.

 

[Geoni]

waffles lynch isn't gonna happen so i would vote someone else.... someone convince me lol

Like why did you need convincing when you have three people listed as options if not Waffles and Antonio is primed to be a mislynch?

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I'm voting Toads.

 

[radical6]

hmmm idk if im sold on a toads lynch tbh

 

[Antonio]

I understood that you had legitimate IRL issues with net connection and my reads on you and Waffles (since she is also having some) are independent of difficulty connecting. What I have an issue with, Antonio, is that you spent a large bulk of your day 1 reads just on Dan who flipped mafia, provided bare minimum reads on the others you managed to, and he turned out to be the type of mafia perfect for bussing. One point I will give you is that I have a hard time seeing you solo the game from day 1.

As for my unvoting at EoD I don't see it as scummy but I'm me and realize that this is a different culture than what I've adjusted to regularly playing in this past year (Mafia Universe). EoD is much more dynamic there. But the skepticism seems at least healthy. I actually am gonna invite you and hope I'm not too late this time.

Why doesn't Toads belong in your bills if that's what he is? And why are those folks still null for you? It's probably useless to ask if you are not coming back and about to get lynched but I'm willing to give you another day.

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Someone break my post so I'm not a chain lol.

I never have solid reads on everyone on day 1 and any opinions I did have provided no used to the discussion. I did provided those opinions in an other quote since ppl asked but they weren't really role indicating and didn't provide anything to the game.

Also, my previous opinion on toad still stands:

However, I?m suspicious of Toads reaction to the "Daniel lynch train". @Toad, don?t you think his behavior is suspicious at all? I mean, he came in and decided to bait you? Also, there's his explanation about Daniel not being sucm:

It feels like he?s trying to persuade the town not to vote for Daniel by stating that his actions were too obvious to be considered a scum move which feels like such a vague explanation. Could you possibly go into more depth as to why you don?t think Daniel is Mafia? It also feels like all your posts don?t have that much effort put into them like other mafia games?

His explantation felt vague but he's Scumish because I'm not 100% sure with him. I personally feel like your EOD behavior was weird af and you were trying to desperately get the vote off of him. I'm not sure what your meta is for this site or MafiaUNiverse but that really stuck out for me. That's why I think you are mafia over him.

As stated in the quote, those folks are nulls because I can't read them. ;-;

 

[Heyden]

I have Bio should I change to Toads or stay on Antonio.

 

[Geoni]

I’m on mobile at school and I accidentally closed my previous tab, awesome. Bear with me alright:
‘Why was Ness less clear for you than me at this moment?’
It was more, you were more clear, than Ness being less clear. You’re usually an instant townread for me in most games, your play just screams town and I honestly don’t remember the last time you were scum to have a real indication of your scumplay. As for Ness, I believed he was town, just not as confident.

‘Dan felt too obvious to be true and he flipped mafia. Why this progression on Waffles?’
Daniel is a naturally scummy person no matter his alignment, he says things that easily gets him lynched. I probably can’t even count the number of times he’s been lynched on D1/D2 as town/mafia. From that I kind of just assumed the least and believed he was town, and because his current thoughts aligned with mine.
As for Waffles, I feel her behaviour is indicative of scum, but Daniels direct avoidance of mentioning her at all feels weird and is throwing me off.

‘Didn't you sound uncertain about how Antonio played in the past in an earlier read? Why are you selectively knowing his meta here?’ I know his meta, I just don’t know how to read him because he dumbtells regardless of alignment.

‘Not asking you to dive into them but what are the other theories, briefly?‘
I was thinking Radical last night but that sounds like OMGUS

This defense makes me feel like Toads > you atm. Antonio just isn't scum if he has net issues as it was, why bus Dan and solo from day 1?

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I have Bio should I change to Toads or stay on Antonio.

Toads

 

[radical6]

Now that i think abt it.. yeah waffles and antonio is an easy counter and arent going to fight back very well. Perhaps Toads thought he could save Daniel and not look scummy immediately coz he wouldnt flip.

Still not sure though. I hate eod.

 

[Heyden]

Ok I’ll change
I’m still for lynch tho pls change from me radical

 

[radical6]

unvoted. not sure who to vote between toad and antonio now since im less sold on antonio

 

[Antonio]

I'm down for a Toad lynch since he's my second option as scum but I think Dad is more scum compared to Toad.

 

[Geoni]

Now that i think abt it.. yeah waffles and antonio is an easy counter and arent going to fight back very well. Perhaps Toads thought he could save Daniel and not look scummy immediately coz he wouldnt flip.

Still not sure though. I hate eod.

Antonio will be flipped before Heyden would by votecount ATM and I'm a solid no on flipping Antonio here.

 

[radical6]

i think everyone has 1 vote atm and either waffles or geoni dies first coz they got votes early so i might just have to push it onto toad coz idk if i can join dedenne with heyden coz im rethinking some stuff rn

 

[Antonio]

@Hayden, why are you changing your vote to Toad?