i understand where you're coming from but considering the gender field already exists i fail to see how a pronoun feature would make matters any different.
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New feature request; pronouns!
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i understand where you're coming from but considering the gender field already exists i fail to see how a pronoun feature would make matters any different.
I didn't even know it existed, actually. I guess I think that says a lot, a tucked away feature like that is very different than something that is easily visible on all of your posts with your profile picture.
I guess I really have trouble understanding why many are advocating for a separate, title-like feature depicting gender when using the pre-existing title feature and that other gender option is available? In my opinion staff has already been more than accommodating.
Edit: I understand gender does not automatically equate to pronouns for some people, but my point still stands.
speaking from personal experience i'd like to be able to have a fun quirky usertitle without being barraged with "she" and "her" every time i show a shred of femininity, even during the time i had "male" selected.
Druidsleep
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Boi this is going in my bio, this is now a petition and I will not stop until it's implemented!
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People may get offended feel uncomfortable or just downright cut down and not respected
If you want to say this is a personal problem, I could easily insinuate that someone’s need for this feature is also a personal problem, because I don’t have an issue with the lack of it being there. It’s a pretty flimsy argument.
And honestly, with people referring to each other by she/he/whatever without asking about pronouns, that can be easily avoided by just using “they”. Idk I guess I’ve never had much of a reason to use pronouns on this forum or others in general. I know you can’t control others, but hopefully this frame of mind will continue to catch on.
And as for the gender section as a whole, if I had any say I’d rather it just be removed. Adding a pronoun section on top of that just adds to the issue.
I think I’m done with this discussion for now, I still stand strongly behind what I’ve said, and the replies to my post seem to only confirm my thoughts. If you all really think this feature is necessary I can’t stop you, however I just wanted to throw my two cents in and explain how not everyone who is against this feature is transphobic, etc.
When fighting for inclusively, things can often come around full circle and become more exclusive then ever before, and I feel like this thread has done just that.
Anyway, with that in mind, thanks for the discussion.
Edit: also just wanted to mention if this feature were implemented, make it like the gender selection and tuck it away. If someone needs to know your pronouns, they’re easy to find but not immediately obvious. People don’t always fill out that stuff anyway.
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you're correct but the issue is that not everyone does this, unfortunately it's unrealistic to expect everyone to know to start doing so.
as for the gender field being removed i wouldn't really care if it was either lol
Druidsleep
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Me who doesn't know how to see someone's bio... also it's a nice coincidence seeing you here, me just scrolling down the comments and I'm like, hey I know u lol.
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You clearly hasn't read the entire thread. The point of adding pronouns is to prevent misgendering other users based on assumption. Yes, people can refer to them as "they" but not everyone will.
This isn't about personal problems as others have experienced misgendering on this forum while others may have misgendered people by mistake. Not everyone wants to get rid of the current title in order to put pronouns there.
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You can see it on their profile, on the about page if that helps.
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Can confirm I like being snooty Capricorn but with a user pic like mine showing nothing about my gender I get this a lot.
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i agree with you, but i sometimes feel like i’m one of the few people who doesn’t care about being misgendered lol. i hate being “clear” about it more because it just feels wrong. like gender isn’t that intrinsic to who i am as a person even though i could have let it become one of my greatest hangups y’know? and if i were to let it, that would be bad. (i’m trans)
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THIS TOO LOL i didn’t want to say it bc i was scared
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That's understandable tbh, some people don't mind being misgendered and that's fine.
I would like to mention my point was talking in the general sense, leaning towards how to refer to someone in a conversation.
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nah i get what you were saying, just felt like using it to talk about myself for some reason lol
SheepMareep
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Displaying your pronouns would be 100% optional and have the ability to be edited.
My comment regarding people being uncomfortable about trans/nb people existing does not apply to those that... do not feel this way. If you put that comment as an attack on you or a false statement because you have a sibling who is trans or nb but do not feel it is necessary then thats on you and I implore you to search any biases you have. (We all have them! It's an important step in implementing change to look back on your own views and biases to see how they affect your current outlook.)
I have agreed throughout the entirety of the thread that this would be OPTIONAL. No one HAS to use it just like there are many who do not change their title, bio, or add in their nintendo information. There are many who do not use the gender area in the bio section. No one would be pressured to as its... optional. No one has been saying that it would be mandatory or that anyone would be looked down on for NOT using the feature because some people may not want to disclose that info or they may not know their gender identity yet.
I can not speak on the trans/nb community since I am in fact cis, however everyone who i have come in contact with sans maybe 5 people find this to be important. I have done research for my senior capstone paper on the importance of inclusion of trans/nb individuals in society and it is much more preferred to have these options than not. Which is not discrediting ANYONES feelings in this matter because not everyone feels the same way.
Its important to take into consideration many opinions and feelings about this topic (of those who it mainly affects) and decide what is the best course of action. Allowing the option for pronouns in the best option here as it does not limit the use of signatures or titles and does not force anyone to input the information.
Hiding the pronouns would 100% go against the point of having them as the point is to be able to see someone's pronouns while addressing them in the thread without having to navigate all over.
The proposed idea to have them next to age where you can hover (or click on mobile) over someone's name keeps them relatively out of the way but also easy to access.
Please do not be scared to express your feelings on this matter so that we can come up with the most optimal way to implement this feature c: I think the having pronouns in the hovered bio is the best solution to keep them out of the way and still easy to access. People who are affected by being misgendered are saved the stress and they feel more included. If you are not affected by being misgendered then that's fine, many people are however and I want to strive to help them. Being open irl is hard, the internet where we are essentially anonymous shouldn't be. Animal crossing has a large minor fanbase as well and it's important to let them know they can be open and safe here when they may not feel safe at home.
My comment regarding people being uncomfortable about trans/nb people existing does not apply to those that... do not feel this way. If you put that comment as an attack on you or a false statement because you have a sibling who is trans or nb but do not feel it is necessary then thats on you and I implore you to search any biases you have. (We all have them! It's an important step in implementing change to look back on your own views and biases to see how they affect your current outlook.)
I have agreed throughout the entirety of the thread that this would be OPTIONAL. No one HAS to use it just like there are many who do not change their title, bio, or add in their nintendo information. There are many who do not use the gender area in the bio section. No one would be pressured to as its... optional. No one has been saying that it would be mandatory or that anyone would be looked down on for NOT using the feature because some people may not want to disclose that info or they may not know their gender identity yet.
I can not speak on the trans/nb community since I am in fact cis, however everyone who i have come in contact with sans maybe 5 people find this to be important. I have done research for my senior capstone paper on the importance of inclusion of trans/nb individuals in society and it is much more preferred to have these options than not. Which is not discrediting ANYONES feelings in this matter because not everyone feels the same way.
Its important to take into consideration many opinions and feelings about this topic (of those who it mainly affects) and decide what is the best course of action. Allowing the option for pronouns in the best option here as it does not limit the use of signatures or titles and does not force anyone to input the information.
Hiding the pronouns would 100% go against the point of having them as the point is to be able to see someone's pronouns while addressing them in the thread without having to navigate all over.
The proposed idea to have them next to age where you can hover (or click on mobile) over someone's name keeps them relatively out of the way but also easy to access.
Please do not be scared to express your feelings on this matter so that we can come up with the most optimal way to implement this feature c: I think the having pronouns in the hovered bio is the best solution to keep them out of the way and still easy to access. People who are affected by being misgendered are saved the stress and they feel more included. If you are not affected by being misgendered then that's fine, many people are however and I want to strive to help them. Being open irl is hard, the internet where we are essentially anonymous shouldn't be. Animal crossing has a large minor fanbase as well and it's important to let them know they can be open and safe here when they may not feel safe at home.
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I had hoped when I responded to this thread earlier in the week that I could avoid making this post, because I really did not want to, but it appears it is necessary.
While we appreciate that this thread was made with good intentions, we feel that the voices of those it does not personally affect are the loudest – and their feelings contradict those of the people it will impact most.
TBT’s transgender and non-binary community does not stand united behind this. A vocal minority have expressed their wish for this feature, yes, but the community as a whole has not. Unfortunately, anytime members of that community have spoken they have been told how they feel is wrong. Other users are too afraid to post publicly in this thread, so have expressed their concerns privately, because they fear being accused of being transphobic when they are transgender/non-binary themselves.
This thread fosters a hostile, negative environment that fails to make the community it is supposed to be fighting for feel heard. Transgender and non-binary users have had their feelings undermined by the people who claim to be their allies. For this reason, we have made the decision to close this thread here.
We stand by our decision: we will not be making this a visible feature on posts. However, we will be adding a pronoun field to the ‘About’ page on profiles soon. It will be optional.
The beauty of the internet is anonymity. No one is entitled to know your personal information – whether that be your age, your gender, or where you come from. It can be volunteered, but it shouldn’t be expected. If someone has failed to make their gender clear then please use ‘they/them’. There may be a reason for it. They may just like to keep a low profile. Whatever their reason is it should be respected.
While we appreciate that this thread was made with good intentions, we feel that the voices of those it does not personally affect are the loudest – and their feelings contradict those of the people it will impact most.
TBT’s transgender and non-binary community does not stand united behind this. A vocal minority have expressed their wish for this feature, yes, but the community as a whole has not. Unfortunately, anytime members of that community have spoken they have been told how they feel is wrong. Other users are too afraid to post publicly in this thread, so have expressed their concerns privately, because they fear being accused of being transphobic when they are transgender/non-binary themselves.
This thread fosters a hostile, negative environment that fails to make the community it is supposed to be fighting for feel heard. Transgender and non-binary users have had their feelings undermined by the people who claim to be their allies. For this reason, we have made the decision to close this thread here.
We stand by our decision: we will not be making this a visible feature on posts. However, we will be adding a pronoun field to the ‘About’ page on profiles soon. It will be optional.
The beauty of the internet is anonymity. No one is entitled to know your personal information – whether that be your age, your gender, or where you come from. It can be volunteered, but it shouldn’t be expected. If someone has failed to make their gender clear then please use ‘they/them’. There may be a reason for it. They may just like to keep a low profile. Whatever their reason is it should be respected.
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