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kek your scum sooo.
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Anywho imma vote heyden now because I am more confident of him being scum. I think Cleveland might be mafia but I think everyone should look at his and my case against Hayden and see that this is not something that someone town aligned would do.
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And if not we can have panda clear her name and claim so there aren't any more distractions.
What's with the sudden 180 vote from Jacob to me after that post, I literally just repeated what was on my color code list in broader terms
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If Panda doesn't wanna claim then I'd like to hear who she wants lynched today at least, she's just become a big road block rn tbh
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If Panda doesn't wanna claim then I'd like to hear who she wants lynched today at least, she's just become a big road block rn tbh
theres more stuff going against you than Jacob. Ur both scum but it will be easier to take you out first.
yeah pretty much. i also feel it in my bones.
Indecisive on scum numbers, bring submissive and not willing to lead town, saying 'wow' as an indication of something, pointing out a reaction test that won't work on me, bringing up meta and town leaning someone based on gut.
I don't know how to counter that at all bc they're all pretty invalid so?
anyway back to my reads we go
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well I wouldn't say invalid but I don't really know how to defend myself from those points bc a of them are self explanatory
Mogyay
I like most of her posts, thinking logically, especially when it came to the Zendel situation. Her tone just seems so genuine and I don't think she's anything but town at this point.
Jacob
I always have a hard time reading Jacob because everyone he pushes people sometimes for the most absurd reasons which makes me unsure if he's town or scum, but I've only see protown behaviour with Jacob so far. He doesn't seem afraid to express things like the Seroja push, for which when he's scum he'll usually go with people who are already being pointed fingers at by other people.
Tensu
While I'm still having mixed feelings on Panda being scum/town, I can see from Tensu's point of view for why Panda is scum and heavily agree with many of his points. He knows what he's doing from what I can see and isn't all over the place like he was in Ghosts. Not sure about his non-stop Crys though, that's drawing the line between a town lean and town read for me.
Apple
Trying too hard to be town, idk can't trust him
Primarina
???
Zefez
Obvious null at this point, but if I had to sway to one side, town.
Daniel
While his posts have little to no content, I can see that he's somewhat trying to push forwards for town but idk not really either, with his surplus of jokes. Only thing I don't like is his constant reinstating of him being right about Corrie being town to make himself seem town, I'd like to see more substantial posts from him to determine a proper read but for now, null.
Nightmares
After a lot of reanalysis and thinking, it was pretty naive of me to so quickly town lean Nightmares. I know this is gonna look sus af by bumping her up a tier and making it look like I'm bussing her, but what's the point in reads if you lie to yourself anyway. Not really sure right now, I need a scum dead so I can link interactions but at this point, also null.
Amanda
Slightly leaning scum with Amanda, giving her the benefit of doubt since she wasn't apart of the discussion on Day 1 but anyway. I didn't particularly like her first reads posts, a few inconsistencies and such, but particularly her Panda read. I know I've been scumreading Panda almost the entire game and I'm starting to have my doubts, but I didn't like how Amanda called her out to be more towny instead of defensive, and that's not quite possible when half of town is attacking you. Also at the start of day she stated she would read back Seroja's posts, and we all know that all of Seroja's posts is just attacking Panda, so it seemed like a likely frame of some sort, unless I'm thinking too much of it. Points a bit weak but idk.
Panda
Dropping Panda for now and I can't really be bothered to explain but I definitely want her to claim tomorrow regardless. Not knowing her alignment, she's just become such a burden on my aspect on everyone in the game (no offence intended)
Cleb
Don't have much on Cleb because he hasn't really posted, his points about me I find really flimsy, reasons that can also be applied to someone appearing townie, but I'm ngl I didn't read some of it bc it's like a tall brick wall. Anyway, I like his mentioning of reads before night, something he didn't even plan on doing in Ghosts so yeah, very on the fence but leaning scum.
f11
I'm still scumleaning but idk man, need more time to think about it, my mind is all over the place I know there's less than 24 hours but still having trouble processing their reads and all and how it lines up with other things
Also sorry in advance for the half-assed effort, I don't even know anymore, everyone's like sorta scum but sorta town, finding it really hard to pick people out the crowd. If anyone has questions sure
I like most of her posts, thinking logically, especially when it came to the Zendel situation. Her tone just seems so genuine and I don't think she's anything but town at this point.
Jacob
I always have a hard time reading Jacob because everyone he pushes people sometimes for the most absurd reasons which makes me unsure if he's town or scum, but I've only see protown behaviour with Jacob so far. He doesn't seem afraid to express things like the Seroja push, for which when he's scum he'll usually go with people who are already being pointed fingers at by other people.
Tensu
While I'm still having mixed feelings on Panda being scum/town, I can see from Tensu's point of view for why Panda is scum and heavily agree with many of his points. He knows what he's doing from what I can see and isn't all over the place like he was in Ghosts. Not sure about his non-stop Crys though, that's drawing the line between a town lean and town read for me.
Apple
Trying too hard to be town, idk can't trust him
Primarina
???
Zefez
Obvious null at this point, but if I had to sway to one side, town.
Daniel
While his posts have little to no content, I can see that he's somewhat trying to push forwards for town but idk not really either, with his surplus of jokes. Only thing I don't like is his constant reinstating of him being right about Corrie being town to make himself seem town, I'd like to see more substantial posts from him to determine a proper read but for now, null.
Nightmares
After a lot of reanalysis and thinking, it was pretty naive of me to so quickly town lean Nightmares. I know this is gonna look sus af by bumping her up a tier and making it look like I'm bussing her, but what's the point in reads if you lie to yourself anyway. Not really sure right now, I need a scum dead so I can link interactions but at this point, also null.
Amanda
Slightly leaning scum with Amanda, giving her the benefit of doubt since she wasn't apart of the discussion on Day 1 but anyway. I didn't particularly like her first reads posts, a few inconsistencies and such, but particularly her Panda read. I know I've been scumreading Panda almost the entire game and I'm starting to have my doubts, but I didn't like how Amanda called her out to be more towny instead of defensive, and that's not quite possible when half of town is attacking you. Also at the start of day she stated she would read back Seroja's posts, and we all know that all of Seroja's posts is just attacking Panda, so it seemed like a likely frame of some sort, unless I'm thinking too much of it. Points a bit weak but idk.
Panda
Dropping Panda for now and I can't really be bothered to explain but I definitely want her to claim tomorrow regardless. Not knowing her alignment, she's just become such a burden on my aspect on everyone in the game (no offence intended)
Cleb
Don't have much on Cleb because he hasn't really posted, his points about me I find really flimsy, reasons that can also be applied to someone appearing townie, but I'm ngl I didn't read some of it bc it's like a tall brick wall. Anyway, I like his mentioning of reads before night, something he didn't even plan on doing in Ghosts so yeah, very on the fence but leaning scum.
f11
I'm still scumleaning but idk man, need more time to think about it, my mind is all over the place I know there's less than 24 hours but still having trouble processing their reads and all and how it lines up with other things
Also sorry in advance for the half-assed effort, I don't even know anymore, everyone's like sorta scum but sorta town, finding it really hard to pick people out the crowd. If anyone has questions sure
PandaDarling
Purple People Eater
Ok look I don't have much time to post I have been reading through the thread, but I'll be honest it's been quickly while I've been busy, I don't want to claim but sense I'm busy and can't write long post to clear myself, I will if you need me to do we can move past this whole "pandas scum" bs...let me know if you want me to or not and in the mean time I'll read up and try to make reads/a case. Thank you and sorry for my busy schedule.
Ok I know you're busy and such but could you just give a few names on who you'd like to lynch today at the very least? names is all I need
True, I guess "bandwagoning" wasn't really the correct term to what I was trying to say. I meant something more like "an easy vote to get away with". I'm not going to criticize Jacob's vote on Corrie because he brought up a good point and was logical. Trundle and crys, I'm not as sure about. If you guys would like to explain why you chose to vote Corrie please do or show me where to look. As for Zendel, I do think that his vote was a bandwagon. And Panda just voted for Corrie to save her own ass.
Today, I'd be cool with either a lynch on Panda or Cleb. I couldn't really follow Cleb's reasoning with Heyden's read, his points don't make her too indicative of scum imo. His read on Nightmares seems too generous, I'm not sure why everyone was so quick to believe she was town again. Her reads were good but if she can't follow them up by making more points and actively pressing, she's basically sheeping off others. I'm confident there is scum between Cleb and Nightmares, but I'd like to hear more from Lani before considering to vote on her.
Panda has made two decent sized posts justifying herself to us about why she can't post. :/
ZeFeZe, please come out and address my posts about you soon. Your silence is making me more suspicious. Also I'd like to hear a little more from Amanda and Prima obviously.
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wow um just realized how rude ass sounded oops
I thought it'd be censored lmao
EpicGamer12
Senior Member
You realize if you don't claim mafia is going to snipe you as blue anyway? Pretending you are a blue but not giving your role away to actually prove yourself is an incredibly last resort scum tactic.
yo are you scum? Your voting cleb because he made reads you don't agree with? Does anyone hear this nonsense? Also he's not even done with them yet. Lmao y'all are wild. There more going against Jacob/heyden then Cleb lol. Like i scum read cleb a little but it's not tangible it's a feeling. Cleb hasn't done anything scummy.True, I guess "bandwagoning" wasn't really the correct term to what I was trying to say. I meant something more like "an easy vote to get away with". I'm not going to criticize Jacob's vote on Corrie because he brought up a good point and was logical. Trundle and crys, I'm not as sure about. If you guys would like to explain why you chose to vote Corrie please do or show me where to look. As for Zendel, I do think that his vote was a bandwagon. And Panda just voted for Corrie to save her own ass.
Today, I'd be cool with either a lynch on Panda or Cleb. I couldn't really follow Cleb's reasoning with Heyden's read, his points don't make her too indicative of scum imo. His read on Nightmares seems too generous, I'm not sure why everyone was so quick to believe she was town again. Her reads were good but if she can't follow them up by making more points and actively pressing, she's basically sheeping off others. I'm confident there is scum between Cleb and Nightmares, but I'd like to hear more from Lani before considering to vote on her.
Panda has made two decent sized posts justifying herself to us about why she can't post. :/
ZeFeZe, please come out and address my posts about you soon. Your silence is making me more suspicious. Also I'd like to hear a little more from Amanda and Prima obviously.
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wow um just realized how rude ass sounded oops
I thought it'd be censored lmao
Okay, apologies for not having anything more to give you guys right now in terms of reads; yesterday was busier than I had hoped it would be. I'm gonna put the rest of my reads on hold for now, since I'd like to take time to address Heyden's posts about me.
Separated this first quote into sections so I can address each point individually.
I'm not going to bother responding to Heyden's read on me, since I believe that a lot of the points he made in it are explained in what I've posted above.
Separated this first quote into sections so I can address each point individually.
I love how you think I'm scum-reading you based on this, but when you look at my read...
I understand that some people may not read through the entirety of the reads I've made thus far based on the length of each one alone, but that's no reason for you to sit and say something that just isn't true. No, this was not part of the reason I was scum-leaning you at the time, but you sitting here and twisting my words to make it seem that way is very suspect.
So I did a quick skim through my read on you again to see how many times I actually used your submissive behavior as an argument, and the biggest moment was in the read I've already posted above, which is the exact same point that your last point was making. The second time I brought up this behavior, I mentioned it as a continuation of that you had already showcased in the first point, and sure, it does kind of lead to the same idea. You've got me there. Here's the quote, with context...
Note the two bolded portions of these quotes, and realize that what I'm saying about this behavior is completely precise to the situation. So, continuing that argument is perfectly sound, considering it's what actually went on in these posts.
I will admit that this isn't the most solid piece of my read on you (I still stand by it, though I believe there are better points in the read in the overall scale of things). I can live with putting this aside to focus on the other points.
Yes, because I literally stated that explicitly telling someone that they're reaction testing you isn't going to help your case with that person. It's a basic point that bears no explanation, since the point of reaction testing is to keep it secret until one is ready to use it as evidence.
Um, no??? I don't know how you even thought of this as a possibility from my read on Nightmares, but it just flat out isn't true. The change in play-style I noted in my overall assessment is in reference to a quote I had covered earlier in the read...
This is not meta. This is in-game and live, so it is all completely valid for this specific game. Chalking this up to meta is completely absurd.
So I'm going to separate this from your post-merge, since this is really important to address. Telling somebody that their argument are invalid and then proceeding not to defend any of them is just going to make somebody stand by their points even more, and even go back to reinforce the arguments in question. This doesn't just apply to you here. If ANYBODY in this game made a post like this at any point, it would never help their case, and this post doesn't help your case here.
If they were self-explanatory, I would not have made any of those points, because I would have already known the answer to each of them at the time I posted. I don't know what you're getting at with this, but you're not going to just use this as a cop-out to just not defend your actions. I still want answers.
I'm not going to bother responding to Heyden's read on me, since I believe that a lot of the points he made in it are explained in what I've posted above.
what? All I'm saying is that he was much harsher on his read of Heyden than on his read of Nightmares. It just seems a bit off and nitpicky, it's just not like him to overlook Lani's strange behavior towards the beginning of the game and at least regocnise a little suspicion from that. idk I can't really specify, I just have a hunch. Not sure how that's indicative of me being scum though? Sorry I didn't specify in that post.
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I'm not saying that Cleb's points are invalid though, they just seem dragged out and exaggerated.
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Also I'm not voting Cleb, I'm sticking with Panda most likely.
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Also I'm not voting Cleb, I'm sticking with Panda most likely.
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double post :/
I can say confidently that I still did bring up some points about Nightmares that could be seen as scum-leans. I try to stay as objective as possible in my reads, but if I find something that I think will lead into something bigger, I will pursue that point of interest. Nightmares' posts have seemed slightly off-kilter throughout the game, but I don't believe that there's any point where she truly looks like she's scum, like other people have mentioned.
In other words, I wasn't completely forgiving of Nightmares' posts. I just don't believe that any of those lead into anything more serious.
ah I see your point, my apologies. I'll read over it again.
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