Mafia Resident Evil Mafia - Game Thread [Endgame- Mafia Wins]

[BetsySundrop]

I think for my preferred voting order, I'd do
Antonio (most sus), potter (mia, could explain lack of team pushing, etc), then ghost (because even though I think he's more town than last time, he still ended up in my process of elimination pool).

I can go with:
Potter, then antonio, then ghost. But would prefer to see if potter will be modkill first. Because if modkill, would give more info and chance to solve. If not modkill, I could vote potter first.

I wouldn't feel too comfortable voting ghost first, as I find antonio far more suspicious. And I think whether town or maf, ghost is gonna be ghost. Hard to read.

 

[b100ming]

I cant with my conscience.

Rip geoni.

I re-read the whole thread (couple times thru) during the night hours, cast my vote, and don't think I'm wrong, so planning to keep it there barring any unforeseen craziness.

My town, based on everything, including eod-
Myself, misty/dan, b100ming, volt, and shellbell (leaning).

Wolf -Antonio

Possible wolf partner- ghost (being super bussed) or pottercrossing.

I will give detailed explanations, but might take me a while. Typing w/stylus on phone as always...

My reason for geoni was the illogical death tunnel he had on misty. An illogical geoni was a wolf geoni last game- and if he reads this from the graveyard- remember thunderdome!!! Thunderdome was a completely illogical move that ended up winning him the game as wolf. So to me, an illogical geoni had to be wolf. When there is a lot happening in short time, I get behind, but right when I saw geoni's jailkeeper claim, I switched my vote to volt.

What I found illogical ties in with why I have misty/dan as town read.
Geoni gave these main reasons for the death tunnel on misty/dan-(my opinion/responses to these reasons in parentheses).

- Misty's entry into the game/tone
(Did not seem much different to me than last game when misty was town)

- Misty spontaneously sussing b100ming/geoni early in the game
(Geoni said this felt off to him because it was like misty was really reaching for susses with not very good reasoning. What geoni did not include was that there was very little activity at that point in the game, and that Misty's susses were not spontaneous AT ALL. Volt had directly asked misty - gth (gun to head), who would you vote right now. Her susses were a RESPONSE to volts direct question, at a time of really low activity, very early in the game. Why did geoni say it was misty spontaneously sussing and leave out the volt question? I don't know but it made geoni more sus to me.)

- Misty's response to b100mings roleclaim.
(I had the same response, of noooo, don't expose a town pr! I believe i said keep it secret, keep it safe. Misty seemed very frustrated and pointed out that claiming a specific role gave info that mafia did not have before, and she did not seem too happy with it. Geoni stated the emotion/reaction could be faked. My opinion, that wasn't fake, and if misty were maf, why even interfere in what could be a big mistake for town. Because b100mings role was friendly neighbor, and your post saying not to be too hard on b100, I realized and posted that it actually could give us an advantage. When Antonio asked for specifics of b100mings role, and she answered, I posted something like noo, cmon yall. This is because there is a rule about role pms that if broken can result in modkill, and I wanted them to stop before that rule was broken. I also posted this in the thread. Around this point misty became inactive. With a replacement, I think the inactivity was a consequence of whatever caused her to need a replacement, and was not just her "ducking out" to escape "the heat".)

-Dan's entry/takeover for misty, coming in without a plan
(I gave a read on that for how it did not change my townread on misty, because the reasoning behind how dan came in could be either town OR sus. My #3 reason specifically stated that. Because there was no way to tell his motivations for coming in with no plan, I kept my townread based on all of the other town leaning activity from misty. Also regarding the numbered post of mine- I included BOTH town and sus possibilities. When geoni AND antonio quoted/questioned me on it, they BOTH left out the part where I said it could be suspicious. I even mentioned this in a response to antonio- the telephone game of people misquoting my reads is extremely frustrating.)

I believe that addresses the illogical death tunnel and my reasons for misty town read.

My suspicion of you has absolutely nothing to do with ghost or shellbell sussing you. It is a combination of process of elimination and your own posts.

I've already addressed my reasons for previous susses and most of my townreads, but I will exapnd on them now and end with why you've earned my vote.

B100ming- town. Role was not in question for me, as there was no counterclaim, but in case anyone else has doubts, role confirmed at 9:18pm tonight with friendly neighbor message.

Misty/dan- town. See previous post where I expanded on this.

Shellbell- I have had as townleaning from the beginning, and volts pocketing comment boosts my confidence in a townread on shell. Shell gives detailed reads, goes through all of the posts carefully, and questions everyone, giving posts for reference. If maf and town pocketed, there would be no reason for her to work this hard. Also- shellbell has never been afraid to "go against the flow" with a different opinion, and when doing so, always gives logical reasoning for it.

Volt- at eod d1 I really had volt on my sus list (explained in previous post, the light sus/unanswered questions, then sudden long absence, then back in game for last part of d1). I thought geoni/volt could be a possible team (see previous on why geoni was sus), and voted geoni. However- after I saw geoni had claimed jailkeeper (and I switched my vote off of him)...I noticed volts CAPITAL LETTERS of GET YOUR VOTE OFF GEONI to either b100ming or myself. That has cleared volt for me. It appeared to be town completely frustrated with people voting a claimed pr. I think it was genuine frustration, in a situation where mafia would just keep quiet and let it happen, so volt is town.

Ghost/potter- one of these I suspect will be your partner. Potter is mia, so no way to tell. Ghost, has gotten good advice, from several people, and while I think he is different from last game, posting more, etc...he still hasn't seemed to expand on his thoughts during the game or the reasoning behind them. I understand the inexperience, age, busy irl, I get it. But the problem is, it isn't really helping us solve the puzzle, and when it's difficult to tell whether or not a person is suspicious, that person gets voted off. And when process of elimination leaves that person in a small pool of suspects, then it seems that person could be a wolf.

I'll post my antonio vote reasons in next post. This one is a wall, and the next will probably be a wall as well...

Nice try with the sus brush there. But you have failed on my end . I am not on a team with shell, and I have her town. And no, this is not "exactly like when you were mafia". If anyone is interested, they can go read the game (Mountainous Mafia) and will see for themselves. But nice try.

And yes I can read. And I plan to list every time you misquote/misrepresent my reads/posts. Well, maybe not every time, only so much room on the wall...

And a side note, if you succeed in a wagon on me, (or shell, it frankly feels like you are just lookimg for a target sometimes) and I (or shell) flip town, you will be exposed.

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And btw, @Antonio you yourself were the one who talked about bussing before I ever mentioned it, when you said in d1 that you had no problem bussing. It wasn't something "cooked up", and it was not my reason for sussing you.

While Betsy is really solvy, her “self doubt” causes her play style to mirror that of my mafia game, that was actually the thing that caused me to earn town reads from a majority of the players.

 

[Damniel]

i'm not gonna engage with this anymore it's too draining. i'm going to sleep.

gotta agree there

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Potter crossing is mafia and whoever reps them should be voted off. Simple logic by POE.
The hard part is figuring out who is the other mafia. They must be good.

can you walk us through your PoE?

 

[b100ming]

gotta agree there

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can you walk us through your PoE?

Well it would make sense due to us not having that many mafia reads (mainly me).

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It’s hard to explain

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@BetsySundrop can you reply to my iso on you?

 

[Ghost2008]

Antonio is on my sus list for being super hostile towards others and only accusing others.

 

[BetsySundrop]

While Betsy is really solvy, her “self doubt” causes her play style to mirror that of my mafia game, that was actually the thing that caused me to earn town reads from a majority of the players.

Some thoughts on this- you were mod on the cop 9er, so you saw my embarrasing sus fails in the graveyard. The self doubt is real. (And now I know how droqen felt that whole game).

When I firm townread, I have a fair amount of confidence. I have no confidence on my wolf reads. None at all. But when my confident townreads leaves a pool of just 3 wolf possibles, and one is mia and one is very suspicious, then I have more confidence. Am I 100% sure, no, can never be. But its well past 50% sure on my towns.

I did not see my reasons for finding antonio sus in your iso post, (i listed some reasons and will list more later) and I'm curious about your opinion on those reasons. None of the reasons were based on meta, all were based on Antonio's actions..

What appears to be happening from my perspective, is that I've sussed a wolf, and they are in turn trying to get rid of me. The only reasons I've seen for my sus appear to be too much self doubt, and possible meta. I had way less self doubt in my maf game. Some, yes, but not this much. And I had way less in my town game, some, yes, but not this much. This game is nothing but self doubt d1 for me. I don't like it, but can't help it after last time.

But when I was maf, my d1 was very different from my town d1. I did not want to bring attention to myself, so did not poke, etc.
My town - more relaxed, poke a ton, looking for reactions, voting early, basically stirring the pot.

Because the goal is different. I need information, and as a town non pr, I would much rather stir the heck out of the pot, gain some reactions and draw the d1 nk, than stay quiet, get no information, and let a pr be nk. Would I play maf different this time around? No idea! I've only played 2 games, lol...

The way I see it, I'll probably be gone by end d2, either voted or nk. I will flip town. I will try to leave as much of my reads/reasoning as I can before eod. That way, when I do flip town, people can go back and take it into consideration.

And the walls geoni will probably post in the graveyard chat will be interesting to read, at the very least, lol...

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I'm out for a while. Back this afternoon.

 

[Antonio]

Antonio calls people hostile even though his tone is also hostile, and he calls them hypocritical. Salty mafia, anyone?

I responded to hostile behavior with hostilities, seems like a reasonable response. It's not hypocritical. You're also lucky I had my coffee already or I would've been hostile to you too for that last time.

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for that last statement*

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Anywho, I should start on my response for the reads around 10am, when my class begins.

 

[b100ming]

I responded to hostile behavior with hostilities, seems like a reasonable response. It's not hypocritical. You're also lucky I had my coffee already or I would've been hostile to you too for that last time.

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for that last statement*

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Anywho, I should start on my response for the reads around 10am, when my class begins.

Ok. I noticed you’ve mainly been doing mafia reads, but we need to know who are your town reads?

 

[Antonio]

Ok. I noticed you’ve mainly been doing mafia reads, but we need to know who are your town reads?

Damniel, shellbell, and you do to no CC.
Sus: Ghost
Everyone else is null, for now.

I'm still thinking about the theory but shellbell and Betsy team. It seems plausible and weirdly enough, shellbell agreed.

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While Betsy is really solvy, her “self doubt” causes her play style to mirror that of my mafia game, that was actually the thing that caused me to earn town reads from a majority of the players.

I did a quick scan of the game when they were mafia and I didn't see them self doubt themselves, at all. Unless I'm missing something from that game, I would have to agree.

 

[b100ming]

I did a quick scan of the game when they were mafia and I didn't see them self doubt themselves, at all. Unless I'm missing something from that game, I would have to agree.

Comparing it to my own mafia style, where I faked self doubt to make myself less sus. May not be a good comparison though.

 

[Antonio]

Comparing it to my own mafia style, where I faked self doubt to make myself less sus. May not be a good comparison though.

Oops, my bad. I thought you were comparing to the previous game where they was town. My previous statement still stands regarding Betsy mafia meta.

Also, it may not be a good comparison but it still is a plausible thing that mafia would do.

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-First off, very low activity early in the game (at a time when I was poking everyone, which is the opposite of what I did in my maf game, and exactly what I did in my town game).

Okay, I wouldn't even say it was low activity within the first half of day 1 but yes, I was busy cleaning and wasn't on as much for the first 24hrs, but I was active a lot during day 1.

n when you did come in (other than the just woke up post), you labeled all of the previous activity (Misty's susses, volt posting team rocket thing and then not answering questions, few other things) as pointless discussion, had nothing to say about any of it (I even asked), and asked about rqs, as if the game had just started and nothing up to that point mattered. At the time, it appeared to be turning the spotlight away from volt.

Actually, I believe up to that point nothing really warranted a change of opinion or anything useful and I still do.

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Hold on, this **** was entered before i could finish typing, let me redo it.

 

[b100ming]

Hold on, this **** was entered before i could finish typing, let me redo it.

What?

 

[Antonio]

-First off, very low activity early in the game (at a time when I was poking everyone, which is the opposite of what I did in my maf game, and exactly what I did in my town game).

Okay, I wouldn't even say it was low activity within the first half of day 1 but yes, I was busy cleaning and wasn't on as much for the first 24hrs, but I was active a lot during day 1. Room checks beginned monday and I had to make it clean

n when you did come in (other than the just woke up post), you labeled all of the previous activity (Misty's susses, volt posting team rocket thing and then not answering questions, few other things) as pointless discussion, had nothing to say about any of it (I even asked), and asked about rqs, as if the game had just started and nothing up to that point mattered. At the time, it appeared to be turning the spotlight away from volt.

Actually, I believe up to that point nothing really warranted a change of opinion or anything useful and I still do. I do not see Misty susses, Volt team rocket thing was obviously some weird ****. Nothing did mattered up to that point because nothing was off by that point. It was also your idea for me to provide reqs.

-in the rqs, you specifically used "role" instead of "alignment", knowing there were new or inexperienced players. Why not just ask alignment? And when b100ming asked about claiming her role, you didn't protest at all. You posted just before and just after, but did not post against the role claim. Why not? It turned out to be a good thing because of her specific role, but she very well could have had a role like doctor or cop, and that would not habe been good, and yet you didn't protest, only asked her AFTER she claimed why she did it.

It was a dumb trick question to get mafia to claim. Tbh, if you are mad that I didn't say alignment but role when tbh, they are the same thing then that's on you. I just wanted mafia to say they were mafia, lol.

I actually had to look up the role before asking them my question because I had no idea what the role does. I sort of had an idea why I understood the reason for claiming after looking at the wiki. So, I wanted to hear their perspective for claiming and I shared my thought process on why they claimed.

I also kinda understand why they claim, since the role really doesn't do much in providing information for town since all it does is send a role and name to basically anyone regardless of alignment/roles.

I would've been against the claim if it was something useful to town but the wiki sort of cleared up my thought process.

- More on roleclaim, you have apparently been playing for a while, and know the rules. Why did you ask b100ming to expand on the specifics of her role, knowing if she used her role pm in the answer she would be modkilled? And when I tried to stop it with, nooo... yall...cmon now, your reply was Hmmm? (Post 61/62). Why on earth would town do that?

I don't recall playing with the role they claimed, I'm sorry i don't know every role by heart? As I said, I check the wiki regarding their role. Plus, there are different varations of various roles, so I was making sure it matched the wiki results. Regarding the hmm response, I was confused on what you were trying to convey and still am.

Another major issue I have, when I voted geoni yesterday (based on everything explained in previous post), and finished typing my explanation post about volt/geoni (which volt labeled dumb, which in context yes it was, because I hadnt caught up yet and hadn't seen the roleclaim yet), then caught up with newer posts, realized geoni claimed jailkeeper, and changed my vote, I realized something going back in the thread, you were the only one there to NOT protest the geoni votes. Volt protested, ghost protested, b100 and I changed our votes, geoni did the roleclaim, everyone had a strong reaction, but you didn't protest at all. And you were there, you posted before, then posted right after. So why not speak up?

I was actually on and off the game near the EOD due to me streaming/doing hw. I wasn't able to respond to everything due to priorities.

BTW guys, I won't be in for the last hour as I have to do my twitch streams.
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last two hours, I mean. I'll be keeping my vote on no elim

I feel like a lot of your complaints have to do with me not falling into your expectations of how I should be playing this game. I'm sorry I wasn't able to do this or that because you wanted me too?

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What?

I pressed enter by mistake, oops.

 

[Chris]

Let's keep the tone civil please all. If you feel yourself getting frustrated I would suggest taking a little break from your computer before responding.

 

[b100ming]

Let's keep the tone civil please all. If you feel yourself getting frustrated I would suggest taking a little break from your computer before responding.

Thanks Chris. I’m in school anyway so…

Guys I think the mafia pair is either

potter/Dan

or

potter/Antonio

 

[BetsySundrop]

Thanks Chris. I’m in school anyway so…

Guys I think the mafia pair is either

potter/Dan

or

potter/Antonio

You may be right, and I have potter on my poe list as well. Might be better to vote potter off, and get info on their alignment, as they might be mod- killed anyway.

My worry is, knowing I'm town, it is possible that if I'm voted off today, then tomorrow will be a big push for ghost. And if ghost is also town, that's the game lost.

So frustrating lol

 

[Antonio]

I'm not sure where y'all are getting Potter is Mafia, he hasn't post anything at all since he hasn't been online since Friday. I understand a lack of inactivity when you have posted a few is suspicious but Potter literally haven't been on the forums, like at all. I'm not sure his behavior can be indicated of anything since he hasn't been online for the entirety of the game.

 

[b100ming]

I'm not sure where y'all are getting Potter is Mafia, he hasn't post anything at all since he hasn't been online since Friday. I understand a lack of inactivity when you have posted a few is suspicious but Potter literally haven't been on the forums, like at all. I'm not sure his behavior can be indicated of anything since he hasn't been online for the entirety of the game.

Yes but POE. There aren’t enough sus people to go around.

 

[Antonio]

potter/Dan

why do you sus read me and dan?

Also, you said Betsy was sus but you don't consider them to be on a team with potter. Care to elaborate?

 

[b100ming]

why do you sus read me and dan?

Also, you said Betsy was sus but you don't consider them to be on a team with potter. Care to elaborate?

Because my only potential evidence for Betsy to be mafia was through a bad comparison