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[Horus]

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Tier hater. There's nothing wrong with OUs, unless used in an UU or NU battle, which yours was not.

And Mixmence > Specsmence.

still, people who have like all OUs just makes me angry.

I know mixmence is better, specsmence is for a surprise. I dont want to use the first set on smogon where everyone predicts you.

Oh, and sorry trela. But if MK gets banned then snake will get banned later. (maybe)

Snake has bad Matchups unlike MK, and he doesn't have the best recovery. If anything, Snake is like Falco than MK.

still, snake is the second most overused character. his recovery is good, what are you talking about? and hes a heavy character.

lol, snake is not like olimar. olimar is just annoying but not as good as snake.

If you grab him while he's recovering, he's screwed, the recovery itself is very slow so spikes are common, because of the hover thing MK can continuously Up-B on Snake (The hover thing damages MK so he recovers his recovery) The only good thing is because of how slow it is it lags the Fast Drop you would get for Snakes Down-B and hurt himself to recover his recovery.

Olimar? BS, Falco is most like him; They both camp, they both have DACUS, both have a Pivot Boost Grab, both are in the higher tiers.

 

[cornymikey]

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still, people who have like all OUs just makes me angry.

I know mixmence is better, specsmence is for a surprise. I dont want to use the first set on smogon where everyone predicts you.

Oh, and sorry trela. But if MK gets banned then snake will get banned later. (maybe)

Snake has bad Matchups unlike MK, and he doesn't have the best recovery. If anything, Snake is like Falco than MK.

still, snake is the second most overused character. his recovery is good, what are you talking about? and hes a heavy character.

lol, snake is not like olimar. olimar is just annoying but not as good as snake.

If you grab him while he's recovering, he's screwed, the recovery itself is very slow so spikes are common, because of the hover thing MK can continuously Up-B on Snake (The hover thing damages MK so he recovers his recovery) The only good thing is because of how slow it is it lags the Fast Drop you would get for Snakes Down-B and hurt himself to recover his recovery.

Olimar? BS, Falco is most like him; They both camp, they both have DACUS, both have a Pivot Boost Grab, both are in the higher tiers.

obviously, most snake players dont try to aim for the edge when recovering, they go over the edge. Small attacks dont flinch snake when hes recovering as well, so MK cant fair.

 

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Snake has bad Matchups unlike MK, and he doesn't have the best recovery. If anything, Snake is like Falco than MK.

still, snake is the second most overused character. his recovery is good, what are you talking about? and hes a heavy character.

lol, snake is not like olimar. olimar is just annoying but not as good as snake.

If you grab him while he's recovering, he's screwed, the recovery itself is very slow so spikes are common, because of the hover thing MK can continuously Up-B on Snake (The hover thing damages MK so he recovers his recovery) The only good thing is because of how slow it is it lags the Fast Drop you would get for Snakes Down-B and hurt himself to recover his recovery.

Olimar? BS, Falco is most like him; They both camp, they both have DACUS, both have a Pivot Boost Grab, both are in the higher tiers.

obviously, most snake players dont try to aim for the edge when recovering, they go over the edge. Small attacks dont flinch snake when hes recovering as well, so MK cant fair.

There's not much you can do, either aim for the edge or damage yourself. I've seen both of them punished.

So naive, not the long ago I brawled this annoying guy who would through me off the stage then just Up-B every time I tried to recover, it DOES break the Super Armor. Super Armor isn't all that great, you can break Ike's Up-B's Super Armor just by hitting it with one of Falcos' lasers.

 

[Palad][n]

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still, people who have like all OUs just makes me angry.

I know mixmence is better, specsmence is for a surprise. I dont want to use the first set on smogon where everyone predicts you.

Oh, and sorry trela. But if MK gets banned then snake will get banned later. (maybe)

Snake has bad Matchups unlike MK, and he doesn't have the best recovery. If anything, Snake is like Falco than MK.

still, snake is the second most overused character. his recovery is good, what are you talking about? and hes a heavy character.

lol, snake is not like olimar. olimar is just annoying but not as good as snake.

If you grab him while he's recovering, he's screwed, the recovery itself is very slow so spikes are common, because of the hover thing MK can continuously Up-B on Snake (The hover thing damages MK so he recovers his recovery) The only good thing is because of how slow it is it lags the Fast Drop you would get for Snakes Down-B and hurt himself to recover his recovery.

Olimar? BS, Falco is most like him; They both camp, they both have DACUS, both have a Pivot Boost Grab, both are in the higher tiers.

Snake is like olimar because they both 'plan' things out. Snake plants C4, and land mines, and tries makes them like traps

Olimar also thinks before he attacks. Certain pikmen do more damage in certain attacks, so he has to use down B constantly, and plan for his opponent to walk into the pikmen

They are both ranged

Olimars side-b is much like Snakes ranged attacks... well it reminds me of the

MOST of olimars attacks are ranged( Meaning he doesnt use his own body. He uses the pikmen as projectiles, even if the ranged attack is 'close ranged', so to speak)

 

[Horus]

[n,Nov 30 2009, 07:08:28 PM]

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Snake has bad Matchups unlike MK, and he doesn't have the best recovery. If anything, Snake is like Falco than MK.

still, snake is the second most overused character. his recovery is good, what are you talking about? and hes a heavy character.

lol, snake is not like olimar. olimar is just annoying but not as good as snake.

If you grab him while he's recovering, he's screwed, the recovery itself is very slow so spikes are common, because of the hover thing MK can continuously Up-B on Snake (The hover thing damages MK so he recovers his recovery) The only good thing is because of how slow it is it lags the Fast Drop you would get for Snakes Down-B and hurt himself to recover his recovery.

Olimar? BS, Falco is most like him; They both camp, they both have DACUS, both have a Pivot Boost Grab, both are in the higher tiers.

Snake is like olimar because they both 'plan' things out. Snake plants C4, and land mines, and tries makes them like traps

Olimar also thinks before he attacks. Certain pikmen do more damage in certain attacks, so he has to use down B constantly, and plan for his opponent to walk into the pikmen

They are both ranged

Olimars side-b is much like Snakes ranged attacks... well it reminds me of the

MOST of olimars attacks are ranged( Meaning he doesnt use his own body. He uses the pikmen as projectiles, even if the ranged attack is 'close ranged', so to speak)

I hope you know, reading Smash Boards for two days doesn't make you right.

The ONLY long ranged attack Olimar has is his Side-B, yes his attacks do go slightly away from him but so what? Olimar is most like D3.

Snake's and Olimar's attacks aren't similar, yes Olimar does "plan" according to his Pikmin but doesn't every character plan?

 

[cornymikey]

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still, snake is the second most overused character. his recovery is good, what are you talking about? and hes a heavy character.

lol, snake is not like olimar. olimar is just annoying but not as good as snake.

If you grab him while he's recovering, he's screwed, the recovery itself is very slow so spikes are common, because of the hover thing MK can continuously Up-B on Snake (The hover thing damages MK so he recovers his recovery) The only good thing is because of how slow it is it lags the Fast Drop you would get for Snakes Down-B and hurt himself to recover his recovery.

Olimar? BS, Falco is most like him; They both camp, they both have DACUS, both have a Pivot Boost Grab, both are in the higher tiers.

obviously, most snake players dont try to aim for the edge when recovering, they go over the edge. Small attacks dont flinch snake when hes recovering as well, so MK cant fair.

There's not much you can do, either aim for the edge or damage yourself. I've seen both of them punished.

So naive, not the long ago I brawled this annoying guy who would through me off the stage then just Up-B every time I tried to recover, it DOES break the Super Armor. Super Armor isn't all that great, you can break Ike's Up-B's Super Armor just by hitting it with one of Falcos' lasers.

I didnt say Up-b doesnt break it. :S

whatever, youre only comparing him to MK. I meant once MK gets banned, Snake will be the next to be super cheap.
His side-a and up-a are loads of junk.

 

[Palad][n]

[n,Nov 30 2009, 07:08:28 PM]

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still, snake is the second most overused character. his recovery is good, what are you talking about? and hes a heavy character.

lol, snake is not like olimar. olimar is just annoying but not as good as snake.

If you grab him while he's recovering, he's screwed, the recovery itself is very slow so spikes are common, because of the hover thing MK can continuously Up-B on Snake (The hover thing damages MK so he recovers his recovery) The only good thing is because of how slow it is it lags the Fast Drop you would get for Snakes Down-B and hurt himself to recover his recovery.

Olimar? BS, Falco is most like him; They both camp, they both have DACUS, both have a Pivot Boost Grab, both are in the higher tiers.

Snake is like olimar because they both 'plan' things out. Snake plants C4, and land mines, and tries makes them like traps

Olimar also thinks before he attacks. Certain pikmen do more damage in certain attacks, so he has to use down B constantly, and plan for his opponent to walk into the pikmen

They are both ranged

Olimars side-b is much like Snakes ranged attacks... well it reminds me of the

MOST of olimars attacks are ranged( Meaning he doesnt use his own body. He uses the pikmen as projectiles, even if the ranged attack is 'close ranged', so to speak)

I hope you know, reading Smash Boards for two days doesn't make you right.

The ONLY long ranged attack Olimar has is his Side-B, yes his attacks do go slightly away from him but so what? Olimar is most like D3.

Snake's and Olimar's attacks aren't similar, yes Olimar does "plan" according to his Pikmin but doesn't every character plan?

i didnt read all that stuff on smashboards...

and anyway, they both have to set stuff up before they attack.

Take falco for an example. When he goes to attack, he doesnt need to lay things around, or do any of that, does he? All he needs to do is fire a few shots for an approach, then enter and grabs or does whatever.

Olimar on the other hand, would switch around pikmen, pull them out, throw some side b, some fair, and then go in for the kill (or something. Im not pro with olimar)

Snake- He would either use side b or grenade, go in, push them into a land mine, and combo that. But BEFORE that, he needed to set and plan out with the land mine how far he would need to hit them so they would land on the mine.

Also olimar. He needs to switch pikmen, and approximate how long side-b and how far it will last.

Now lets go back to falco. He goes in on instinct (i think). after your approach, you go in, attack, and then go into a combo. Its un-predictable which combo you will do. It also doesnt REALLY matter how far they go.

Now lets take jiggly puff for an example. She attacks by punishing with bair. She waits. When the opponent approaches, she uses bair. She doesnt need to think about it...

I could be wrong with how falco works. I just ued him as an example because he's your main.

But... you get the point... yeah?

 

[Horus]

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If you grab him while he's recovering, he's screwed, the recovery itself is very slow so spikes are common, because of the hover thing MK can continuously Up-B on Snake (The hover thing damages MK so he recovers his recovery) The only good thing is because of how slow it is it lags the Fast Drop you would get for Snakes Down-B and hurt himself to recover his recovery.

Olimar? BS, Falco is most like him; They both camp, they both have DACUS, both have a Pivot Boost Grab, both are in the higher tiers.

obviously, most snake players dont try to aim for the edge when recovering, they go over the edge. Small attacks dont flinch snake when hes recovering as well, so MK cant fair.

There's not much you can do, either aim for the edge or damage yourself. I've seen both of them punished.

So naive, not the long ago I brawled this annoying guy who would through me off the stage then just Up-B every time I tried to recover, it DOES break the Super Armor. Super Armor isn't all that great, you can break Ike's Up-B's Super Armor just by hitting it with one of Falcos' lasers.

I didnt say Up-b doesnt break it. :S

whatever, youre only comparing him to MK. I meant once MK gets banned, Snake will be the next to be super cheap.
His side-a and up-a are loads of junk.

You do know we're talking pro right? They don't just walk around spamming tilts

Again, Snake has bad matchups like R.O.B.

 

[Horus]

[n,Nov 30 2009, 07:22:56 PM]

[n,Nov 30 2009, 07:08:28 PM]

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If you grab him while he's recovering, he's screwed, the recovery itself is very slow so spikes are common, because of the hover thing MK can continuously Up-B on Snake (The hover thing damages MK so he recovers his recovery) The only good thing is because of how slow it is it lags the Fast Drop you would get for Snakes Down-B and hurt himself to recover his recovery.

Olimar? BS, Falco is most like him; They both camp, they both have DACUS, both have a Pivot Boost Grab, both are in the higher tiers.

Snake is like olimar because they both 'plan' things out. Snake plants C4, and land mines, and tries makes them like traps

Olimar also thinks before he attacks. Certain pikmen do more damage in certain attacks, so he has to use down B constantly, and plan for his opponent to walk into the pikmen

They are both ranged

Olimars side-b is much like Snakes ranged attacks... well it reminds me of the

MOST of olimars attacks are ranged( Meaning he doesnt use his own body. He uses the pikmen as projectiles, even if the ranged attack is 'close ranged', so to speak)

I hope you know, reading Smash Boards for two days doesn't make you right.

The ONLY long ranged attack Olimar has is his Side-B, yes his attacks do go slightly away from him but so what? Olimar is most like D3.

Snake's and Olimar's attacks aren't similar, yes Olimar does "plan" according to his Pikmin but doesn't every character plan?

i didnt read all that stuff on smashboards...

and anyway, they both have to set stuff up before they attack.

Take falco for an example. When he goes to attack, he doesnt need to lay things around, or do any of that, does he? All he needs to do is fire a few shots for an approach, then enter and grabs or does whatever.

Olimar on the other hand, would switch around pikmen, pull them out, throw some side b, some fair, and then go in for the kill (or something. Im not pro with olimar)

Snake- He would either use side b or grenade, go in, push them into a land mine, and combo that. But BEFORE that, he needed to set and plan out with the land mine how far he would need to hit them so they would land on the mine.

Also olimar. He needs to switch pikmen, and approximate how long side-b and how far it will last.

Now lets go back to falco. He goes in on instinct (i think). after your approach, you go in, attack, and then go into a combo. Its un-predictable which combo you will do. It also doesnt REALLY matter how far they go.

Now lets take jiggly puff for an example. She attacks by punishing with bair. She waits. When the opponent approaches, she uses bair. She doesnt need to think about it...

I could be wrong with how falco works. I just ued him as an example because he's your main.

But... you get the point... yeah?

Again with the planing, Olimar switching his Pikmin and Snake laying a C4 are similar? Look, Olimar's attacks are most like D3 like CF and Ganon, Similiar Side-B's, D3 uses his hammer like Olimar's Pikmin; away from his body. Yeah they both setup but that doesn't make them similar, that's like saying when D3 pulls out one of his Electrifying minion is like Snakes grenade, it's clearly like Olimar if anything.

D3 = Olimar =/= Snake

 

[Palad][n]

[n,Nov 30 2009, 07:22:56 PM]

[n,Nov 30 2009, 07:08:28 PM]

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Snake is like olimar because they both 'plan' things out. Snake plants C4, and land mines, and tries makes them like traps

Olimar also thinks before he attacks. Certain pikmen do more damage in certain attacks, so he has to use down B constantly, and plan for his opponent to walk into the pikmen

They are both ranged

Olimars side-b is much like Snakes ranged attacks... well it reminds me of the

MOST of olimars attacks are ranged( Meaning he doesnt use his own body. He uses the pikmen as projectiles, even if the ranged attack is 'close ranged', so to speak)

I hope you know, reading Smash Boards for two days doesn't make you right.

The ONLY long ranged attack Olimar has is his Side-B, yes his attacks do go slightly away from him but so what? Olimar is most like D3.

Snake's and Olimar's attacks aren't similar, yes Olimar does "plan" according to his Pikmin but doesn't every character plan?

i didnt read all that stuff on smashboards...

and anyway, they both have to set stuff up before they attack.

Take falco for an example. When he goes to attack, he doesnt need to lay things around, or do any of that, does he? All he needs to do is fire a few shots for an approach, then enter and grabs or does whatever.

Olimar on the other hand, would switch around pikmen, pull them out, throw some side b, some fair, and then go in for the kill (or something. Im not pro with olimar)

Snake- He would either use side b or grenade, go in, push them into a land mine, and combo that. But BEFORE that, he needed to set and plan out with the land mine how far he would need to hit them so they would land on the mine.

Also olimar. He needs to switch pikmen, and approximate how long side-b and how far it will last.

Now lets go back to falco. He goes in on instinct (i think). after your approach, you go in, attack, and then go into a combo. Its un-predictable which combo you will do. It also doesnt REALLY matter how far they go.

Now lets take jiggly puff for an example. She attacks by punishing with bair. She waits. When the opponent approaches, she uses bair. She doesnt need to think about it...

I could be wrong with how falco works. I just ued him as an example because he's your main.

But... you get the point... yeah?

Again with the planing, Olimar switching his Pikmin and Snake laying a C4 are similar? Look, Olimar's attacks are most like D3 like CF and Ganon, Similiar Side-B's, D3 uses his hammer like Olimar's Pikmin; away from his body. Yeah they both setup but that doesn't make them similar, that's like saying when D3 pulls out one of his Electrifying minion is like Snakes grenade, it's clearly like Olimar if anything.

D3 = Olimar =/= Snake

D3's electrical minion is called 'Wadle Doo'. The normal one is 'Wadle Dee' The spike ball is called a 'Gordo'

Anyway, i get your point. I just thought that Olimars changing of pikmen was kinda like snake, but now i see that they're totaly different strategys

 

[Horus]

[n,Nov 30 2009, 07:36:53 PM]

[n,Nov 30 2009, 07:22:56 PM]

[n,Nov 30 2009, 07:08:28 PM]
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I hope you know, reading Smash Boards for two days doesn't make you right.

The ONLY long ranged attack Olimar has is his Side-B, yes his attacks do go slightly away from him but so what? Olimar is most like D3.

Snake's and Olimar's attacks aren't similar, yes Olimar does "plan" according to his Pikmin but doesn't every character plan?

i didnt read all that stuff on smashboards...

and anyway, they both have to set stuff up before they attack.

Take falco for an example. When he goes to attack, he doesnt need to lay things around, or do any of that, does he? All he needs to do is fire a few shots for an approach, then enter and grabs or does whatever.

Olimar on the other hand, would switch around pikmen, pull them out, throw some side b, some fair, and then go in for the kill (or something. Im not pro with olimar)

Snake- He would either use side b or grenade, go in, push them into a land mine, and combo that. But BEFORE that, he needed to set and plan out with the land mine how far he would need to hit them so they would land on the mine.

Also olimar. He needs to switch pikmen, and approximate how long side-b and how far it will last.

Now lets go back to falco. He goes in on instinct (i think). after your approach, you go in, attack, and then go into a combo. Its un-predictable which combo you will do. It also doesnt REALLY matter how far they go.

Now lets take jiggly puff for an example. She attacks by punishing with bair. She waits. When the opponent approaches, she uses bair. She doesnt need to think about it...

I could be wrong with how falco works. I just ued him as an example because he's your main.

But... you get the point... yeah?

Again with the planing, Olimar switching his Pikmin and Snake laying a C4 are similar? Look, Olimar's attacks are most like D3 like CF and Ganon, Similiar Side-B's, D3 uses his hammer like Olimar's Pikmin; away from his body. Yeah they both setup but that doesn't make them similar, that's like saying when D3 pulls out one of his Electrifying minion is like Snakes grenade, it's clearly like Olimar if anything.

D3 = Olimar =/= Snake

D3's electrical minion is called 'Wadle Doo'. The normal one is 'Wadle Dee' The spike ball is called a 'Gordo'

Anyway, i get your point. I just thought that Olimars changing of pikmen was kinda like snake, but now i see that they're totaly different strategys

Thanks couldn't remember.


Good, glad you see my point.

 

[cornymikey]

@horus: I know that snake doesnt spam tilts, he still uses them a decent amount though.

 

[John102]

Bahaha, wolf's bar > jiggz bair.

Yeah, Snake's recovery does kinda suck, once I get one off the edge I can bair him out of it, then just recover to the edge and repeat, or I can just get on top a dair, I'll get hit by the thingy he grabs onto sre, but it'll send him flying down.

 

[Horus]

@horus: I know that snake doesnt spam tilts, he still uses them a decent amount though.

It's a weapon for close combat, so most people stay away which only helps snake.

Again there are characters that Anti-Snake

 

[cornymikey]

@horus: I know that snake doesnt spam tilts, he still uses them a decent amount though.

It's a weapon for close combat, so most people stay away which only helps snake.

Again there are characters that Anti-Snake

ALL CHARACTERS HAVE BAD MATCHUPS
besides MK apparently. I dont know this stuff really.

@john: LIEZ, youd probably kill yourself.

 

[John102]

@horus: I know that snake doesnt spam tilts, he still uses them a decent amount though.

It's a weapon for close combat, so most people stay away which only helps snake.

Again there are characters that Anti-Snake

Snake's long term stuff really doesn't impress me.

Grenade- I blow em up with mah laser, or if it's still in the Snake's hand I shine and get him blown up(I stay safe because of the few frames of invincibility)

Rocket Lawn Chair- Jump, then bair, or roll then bair, there's numerous possibilities.

C4- Olook snakes pressing a buton, it must be a C4, why don't I dodge it?

Usmash- Dacus is tougher for me to avoid, but regular, just air dodge of wolf flash if I have time.

Dsmash- lazor make it go boom.

@Mike: ONLY ON FD!!!

 

[Horus]

@horus: I know that snake doesnt spam tilts, he still uses them a decent amount though.

It's a weapon for close combat, so most people stay away which only helps snake.

Again there are characters that Anti-Snake

ALL CHARACTERS HAVE BAD MATCHUPS
besides MK apparently. I dont know this stuff really.

@john: LIEZ

Then why are you acting like he's MK? He can get killed just has easy has any other character excluding MK

Consider him Marth or Falco but heavier.

 

[cornymikey]

@horus: I know that snake doesnt spam tilts, he still uses them a decent amount though.

It's a weapon for close combat, so most people stay away which only helps snake.

Again there are characters that Anti-Snake

ALL CHARACTERS HAVE BAD MATCHUPS
besides MK apparently. I dont know this stuff really.

@john: LIEZ

Then why are you acting like he's MK? He can get killed just has easy has any other character excluding MK

Consider him Marth or Falco but heavier.

ok, just saying he's overused. Gah

 

[Horus]

@horus: I know that snake doesnt spam tilts, he still uses them a decent amount though.

It's a weapon for close combat, so most people stay away which only helps snake.

Again there are characters that Anti-Snake

ALL CHARACTERS HAVE BAD MATCHUPS
besides MK apparently. I dont know this stuff really.

@john: LIEZ

Then why are you acting like he's MK? He can get killed just has easy has any other character excluding MK

Consider him Marth or Falco but heavier.

ok, just saying he's overused. Gah

No, MK is overused. Snake is just one of the characters that has a good chance against MK.

 

[cornymikey]

@horus: I know that snake doesnt spam tilts, he still uses them a decent amount though.

It's a weapon for close combat, so most people stay away which only helps snake.

Again there are characters that Anti-Snake

ALL CHARACTERS HAVE BAD MATCHUPS
besides MK apparently. I dont know this stuff really.

@john: LIEZ

Then why are you acting like he's MK? He can get killed just has easy has any other character excluding MK

Consider him Marth or Falco but heavier.

@john: no, pro snakes would be like throwing grenades all over the battlefield platforms then dacus your ass.

snake is NOT overused? I thought he had that SS tier or something. ngeh.