Mafia Shadowrun: Dragonfall Mafia - Town Wins!

[Blu Rose]

*alive

 

[Geoni]

If doc outs, they need to confirm that Ender was protected, but that requires doc outing and I don't want that still, although the list has been considerably narrowed for bluesniping.

Because if Ender is also lying about the protection and doing that for further reactions despite it incorrectly confirming Forek, it's the only reason I'm not wanting to lynch Forek. So if you were doing that just to get reactions out of Forek and further reads from how other people are reacting to that, I think it's time to fess up to softing it as well if you did. I trust you're not mafia (Blu'd be risking cc), but I don't trust that you're town that won't soft multiple things in a game lol. So if you can confirm even that's what you weren't doing and you aren't lying about being protected, it'd be helpful for at least my reads. I want to make sure I'm not wasting my time reading into things the wrong way.

I have my eyes set on a certain somebody though, but a lot remains unsure.

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Maybe I'm just having a hard time getting over Forek's responses and how scummy they were pre-day3.

 

[EnderWiggin]

Maybe I'm just having a hard time getting over Forek's responses and how scummy they were pre-day3.

I suggest just getting over it.

 

[Geoni]

So, honestly, the only reason that I've been townreading Runeraider for so long is 2 things: I thought that there would be at least one experienced person on the mafia team and that this meant they'd tell Runeraider not to post the way he was posting in the thread, and how I thought that what Endless was doing with the townreads he had was townreading people he 'kinda had to' because it seemed obvious, but in the case of Rune I think that this could have been some quiet reverse psychology, especially towards me when I was sharing the same reads on Rune with Endless.

So, one of the difficult parts to reading Rune is that he's posted a lot but they're small, scattered posts. Going back to page 28, we have up to that point an ISO of him, and the most glaring thing as I read them now is how sure he seemed to feel about Dolby - and of course wanting to go after somebody like an inactive or pillow bunny instead. He wasn't convinced about a Dolby lynch but did use it as a placeholder (...why even?) then instead of going after an inactive or pillow bunny instead he just voted to no lynch, now giving me the impression that he didn't want to put to much reads out there at that point because choosing a day 1 lynch and presenting your reads as to why when you're mafia is one of the more important but difficult things you have to do when you're mafia, so him not doing so makes sense for him.

And that's what I've got from him for the first half of the game. The second half of the game will require more page skipping and quoting unless somebody updates Ender's page 28/29 ISO of Runeraider.

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I suggest just getting over it.

Yeah, me holding onto that isn't helpful lol. But do that again in another game and I'm reading you for filth Forek.

 

[EnderWiggin]

I would update my ISO but I'm stuck with a headache which requires me to live in pain.

So not doing anything too thought intensive at the moment.

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Actually I could just make an ISO update with no actual analysis. That'd work.

I'm really smart when my head is hurting can't you tell?

 

[radical6]

I kbow there's some games where people don't get roleblock notifications unless they get an action so I assummed that was the case and he's BSing.

If someoje has no night action and was blocked, would they get a roleblocked notification?

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Also my Labelle ISO is half typed up, but its on my computer so

no

 

[Geoni]

...just having up to date ISOs is super helpful, but most of us are lazier than you lol, myself included. Can't say I wouldn't appreciate it even without analysis.

 

[EnderWiggin]

I'm not re-quoting all of the pre-29 posts so I'll link the original ISO post and compile Rune posts since then.

 

[Geoni]

Mostly because I can't really believe that Endless would think that people would sheep such a stupid lynch. It's just a hunch and I don't actually believe it, but still.

The fact that Endless was so eager not to talk about the kill makes me suspicious about it. If we are going with the idea that Forek is his maf partner, then my guess is that Endless let Forek choose who to kill for one of the kp. Or maybe he thought the PB would push hard on Forek closer to endgame? I'm not sure, but given Forek's suspiciousness, I'm thinking that it wasn't just a simple case of misdirection.

Right above this post he speculated that 'he couldn't help but think Blu might have been a last minute bus', which seems awkward. Also, I'm reading him in ISO and then in the context of the whole game and coming up with the same conclusions LaBelle has been coming up with, so that makes me townread her a little more honestly, and I might be repeating some of her points. Anyways, onto my point about this post: I was hard scumreading Forek at this time, so he utilized my certainty about Forek to try and come up with some bs reasons as to what Forek might have had to do with pillow bunny's death, and it's all unlikely stuff: Endless let Forek make the choice, Endless also did it for confusion hence why he didn't try and make sense of it (Endless actually did in one post), and vaguely brought up 'Forek's suspiciousness'. I later asked him to explain what he meant by suspiciousness, but he never answered me.

 

[EnderWiggin]

Original Rune ISO

Spoiler: Rune ISO Post p28

I'm torn between Ender and Endless at this point, but I'm uktimately going to go with my first fos. Sorry!

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Hold on, I think I've got something on Ender. His story doesn't match up.
I can't talk now, but he should be dead by his logic.

OK, so, Ender said that they're a blue (he all but confirmed he's cop) and that they were roleblocked last night because Endless thought that they were a cop and were checking them. Except that would make no sense.

If Endless really thought that Ender was a cop, why would they roleblock Ender instead of killing them? Did they really think that killing PB was more important than killing a potential blue? If Ender is telling the truth here (but I don't think he is) then PB must have done something very important. So, Ender, rather than focusing on Endless, maybe you should see why PB was killed in the first place, if you really are blue?

I'm going to vote for Endless as I still feel that he is being maf (I'm not jumping on the bw, I was just unsure at first) but something does still feel off about Ender. I can't quite say what it is, but I will watch out.

Some conspiracy theorist part of me says that this is all an orchestrated bus between Endless and Ender. I wouldn't put it past Ender to do something like this.

That's assuming they have 3 members. As Endless himself pointed out, it's more likely that it's a 4 member mafia team.

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Therefore, losing a team member would not impact the kp. This would probably be a good trade for putting a strong mafia player in a 'clear' position.

I do, but not on some people since I usuallly concentrate on a few people at a time. I won't be able to post my reads until I get home though. (This iPad sucks.)

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htf is dat defending i was against him read pls (((

It's not unlikely, that's how the maths works, 1 maf for 3 town. Did you redo it in your head and get 37 or something?

You haven't provided a red read yet, Endless. I would like that soon please, at least before day ends.

That was actually me. What he actually said was that he was usually picked to be cop and Endless roleblocked him based on meta. He hasn't confirmed his role yet, despite what many people have tried to say. (including Endless himself )

NOICE JOB PEEPS, WE GOT MAF TEAM LEADER.

Hey Ender, do you want to roleclaim? You've already claimed blue, it's probably just going to make it easier for town.

Oh, sorry, yeah. But tomorrow.

Anyway, like Endless said, we can't take any reads from the voting thread since everybody voted Endless. We can look at motivations for voting him though.

I'm interested in his vote for Blu Rose. I'm pretty sure it was a scapegoat, but it could have been a last minute bus.

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Anyway, we now know that Endless was behind the PB kill, and there mist be something big there sincehe didn't want to talk about it. I know that there a re a few options that were crossed off, so I'm gonna try and work that train of thought.

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The inactive is on!

Mostly because I can't really believe that Endless would think that people would sheep such a stupid lynch. It's just a hunch and I don't actually believe it, but still.

The fact that Endless was so eager not to talk about the kill makes me suspicious about it. If we are going with the idea that Forek is his maf partner, then my guess is that Endless let Forek choose who to kill for one of the kp. Or maybe he thought the PB would push hard on Forek closer to endgame? I'm not sure, but given Forek's suspiciousness, I'm thinking that it wasn't just a simple case of misdirection.

You should make this your new avitar.

BUUUUUUURN

Dad is pretty much confirmed dead at this point.
Lynch him if maf don't kill him!

Hi, I'm green, please don't lynch me.
I don't remember my exact name, so I'll go check.
Basically I'm the brother of a guy who saved the world, but he got lost and I'm looking for him.

I can send you my internet search history to show I didn't look it up.

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Green Winters.
Fitting.

I didn't look at the wiki, my first and last name just came with the role pm.

pls dont tell me im getting lynched for justices inconsistency

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Blue?
Role please?

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Hold on, I'll recheck my PM just in case I misread it.

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It definetly says Green Winters.
JUSTICE WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME.

This probably sounds like I'm lying, but I never thought that Ender claimed cop. I'd be lying if I didn't think that Ender was cop (at least a little bit) but I understood that Ender didn't claim. He did soft cop pretty hard, but I didn't think seriously that he was cop.

You, on the other hand, stated that Ender was cop almost as fact.

THE BACKFIRE

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Does that mean you'll get off my back? You've been pushing me since day 1.

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Sorry, you did lay off a bit. But you did push d1.

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Anyway, if we do believe that Forek is telling the truth, then maf team has 1 kp at this point imo. They only had one hit on Ender (who was saved) and I honestly can't believe that mafia would use a hit on Ashtot with much better targets in play, such as Dad. I'm going to say that there are 2 mafia left, with one roleblocker and probably one normal maf.

I didn't say that you said ender was cop in that post. You did say that ender was cop earlier though.

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And so Forek retreats back into the shadows of incog mode.

There was one post where you referenced Ender as cop. I'm nor saying it's a bad thing, and therefore am porbably not going to look for it. I tr you, but you did think Ender was cop at some point.

Enbder, have you roleclaimed yet?

I think I missed a few pages.

 

[Geoni]

Thanks. Also, based on my heightened suspicion on Rune now that I'm reading through his behavior, my suspicions as to where mafia could be in have changed, and are as such:

Rune/Feloreena/Crys/Tom

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That's in order of suspicion I guess, although Fel remains a wild card so idk.

 

[EnderWiggin]

Well if Fel doesn't show up before end of day they won't be a wildcard any longer?

 

[Geoni]

Hi, I'm green, please don't lynch me.
I don't remember my exact name, so I'll go check.
Basically I'm the brother of a guy who saved the world, but he got lost and I'm looking for him.

I can send you my internet search history to show I didn't look it up.

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Green Winters.
Fitting.

Despite that guy being the brother of Endless' character I can't suspect you on that since the story is more complex than that and apparently his brother did kinda save the world, but 'I can send you my internet search history to show I didn't look it up.' seems dramatic and of course no screenshots are allowed in tbt mafia games.

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Also, it sounds like mafia could indeed still have a roleblocker based on justice's answer, which is why I don't think it's beneficial for doc to out - doc outing and protecting cop doesn't help when cop can be roleblocked while doc is killed.

So, nobody else out please.

 

[EnderWiggin]

I want Rune to be honest. Reading over his posts it strikes me really oddly that he was kinda obsessed over what my role was, out of all the roles.

 

[Geoni]

So, nobody else out please.

I repeat, even if you are town and want to claim to get townread, do not out. I have to go, so that's my plead.

 

[Arstotzkan]

I didn?t get an opportunity to completely finish due to Day almost being done, but I?ll post what I have.

Spoiler: LaBelleFleur ISO

How often do you intend to post each day? Probably quite a bit, since I'm off work right now (yay ).
Gun to your head, you had to Lynch 1 player off the nonexistent content so far, who do you Lynch? Endless, since the last time he pulled this RQS crap he was scum, so.
There is a red button, a green button and a yellow button, which to click? Green.
What's your avatar? Jeeeeellyfiiiiish.
How much previous forum mafia experience do you have? A wee bit.

Glad someone got the ball rolling, but I can't support FOSing anyone based on meta alone.
Also for some reason I had it in my head that this was Legend of Korra mafia while I was reading justice's opening post and was very confused.

Pretty standard, though I for some reason can't dismiss the thick sarcasm here. LaBelle isn't the kind to joke/troll around. Yes, I'm aware that's me raising an eyebrow because of meta, but I'll go on to use some evidence later.

Nah, it was sarcasm. I do want to keep Endless in the back of my head, though, because while he hasn?t done anything particularly scummy in my eyes yet, he is a very strong player & people tend to sheep him (good if he?s town, terrible if he?s mafia).Um, I literally said the opposite of this? I said I didn?t support a lynch based on meta alone. Pls read. Guessing you assumed this based on my answer to Endless? question, so I?ll let it slide.

See above for alignment against Endless.

Crystal matched my ?reads? (that were complete sarcasm). I posted before her. Anyways, I?m pretty suspicious of her right now.Why bother answering the RQS if you?re not going to provide any useful information out of it?Feels very much ?I don?t wanna vote Dolby, so here?s a weak reasoning on Endless and maybe people will jump on it."We?ve actually gotten quite a bit of information, more than enough for you to make an actual case if you so chose. Not having much information to make a case D1 is a totally invalid excuse.Again, this D1 has been very active - there?s more than enough information to make a case. I may have joked about RQS = scum for Endless, but that?s a completely stupid reason to suspect him IMO. I will consider your point about him going after strong targets as mafia, but again, I refuse to lynch someone based on meta alone, and I don?t think that?s enough to FOS him.See above for suspicions on Crystal. Soft town-reading Dad, Endless & you (SarasaKat) right now. On the fence for Ashtot, Enderwiggin, pillow bunny & Runeraider (mostly because I haven?t really had time to analyze their posts in detail and on my read-throughs nothing stuck out to me as particularly scummy).


So, Dolby. Looks as though your first post got you killed, mate. You got the ball rolling for sure, but why do all of your options include random/no lynch? How about, y?know, scum hunting? Were you expecting everyone to just jump on your meta bandwagon? This whole post is completely useless under the guise of being useful. I especially like the clause at the end. ?I haven?t played in a while, so excuse all my slip-ups please!?Decent defence, but ugh ugh ugh. Random/no lynching when scum hunting is an option is just no.Thanks for the reads, but you still haven?t really made a proper case for anyone. You?ve just been throwing out names.

I?d prefer to vote for Crystal, since I think the case on her is much stronger than the case for Dolby, but I think the case on Dolby is good enough to support a lynch for him, and it looks like that's the way the lynch is going to go, so that?s who my vote is going to.

At the time, this post eased my suspicions towards LaBelle. It takes things seriously and she uses logic. However, now that I take a closer look, there's some things that throw me off.

1) Her suspicions of Crys seem awful repetitive of what PB said at the time

2) "Why bother answering the RQs if you're not going to provide any useful information out of it?". Iirc, this has already been brought up regarding her, but it's not like LaBelle gave a ton of information herself in the RQs (how do you make RQs game-changing anyways?)

3) "Decent defense, but ugh ugh ugh." If it was a decent defense, then I'd imagine LaBelle would have been satisfied. She obviously still felt like something was off, but she didn't explain what she felt was off.

4) More of a side thing than anything, but Fleur, you never said "the opposite" of meta-lynching in your first post.

I've been out all day and glanced in briefly here and there. Meant to read through everything thoroughly tonight, but decided to work out for the first time in several years first, and now I am literally a puddle of jelly on the floor, so. Expect something from me either really late tonight or tomorrow morning.

Nothing of note.

Just read through everything, will posts reads once I get my head wrapped around things.

First of all, to clarify my post - my intention was mostly sarcasm (Endless did an RQS when he was mafia in Bravely Default, clearly he must be mafia now) - but I also didn?t want people to sheep him as has been the case in the past. In retrospect, the point was unnecessary - Correct me if I?m wrong, but I think everyone here has played at least one game of mafia with Endless, and at least one game of mafia, period. They?ve experienced his play style and also how not to be a complete idiot. So my point became confusing & pointless. Apologies for that.

I was committed to lynching Crystal because they looked scummy, and because I found their reasoning for lynching Endless extremely weak. For you, and also for EnderWiggin, who mentioned it in an earlier post - my intention was not to defend Endless. It was to FOS Crystal, since they were throwing out weak, meta-based suspicions on Endless. They said themselves that they threw out suspicion on Endless because they didn't want to ride the Dolby bandwagon and felt a meta twinge of suspicion for Endless. So really, Crystal could've made a weak case on anyone, and I'd still be suspicious of them.I definitely need to go do some reading on Endless based on the conversation that's come up, but I'm still suspicious of Crystal because since the Dolby vote they've become infinitely more wishy-washy.OK, let me get this straight - you think Dolby was wishy-washy, but town-read him and refused to vote for him. And on top of that, you agree with his red-reads, which were entirely based on meta and also included you? Please clarify.

Ashtot, please post something meaningful. Every since post you've made has been complete garbage with little to no evidence behind it, thanks.

This is a good post, but at this point in the game, something changed that she didn?t address (that if this was truly her main suspicion, needed to be addressed). There had been plenty of people at this point in the game who had used meta suspicions/town reads (like Rune and Tom) who she didn?t bring up as suspicious, yet she doesn?t mention them at all. Even if she thought they had an excuse, I?d imagine that the topic would come up somewhere. Yet it doesn?t. This screams to me that she?s honing in on Crys.

Voila, some reads. (At 2:00 a.m., no less. hopefully they're coherent.)

SarasaKat
Strong town-read. The majority of her posts contribute to the conversation, and she asks good questions. Not going to put a whole lot of stock into it, since I do have a strong town-read on her still, just something I wanted to remember for future reference.

EnderWiggin
It?s past 2:00 a.m. and I can?t be bothered to re-read your absolutely massive walls of text right now to do a proper read? later.

Forek
Neutral. Their posts have an air of acting useful while providing no new information, but I don?t really have anything on them to make a case, mostly just a gut suspicion. Also, this:I can?t for the life of me understand how you thought this would be a good idea for town, please explain.

Out of all the ?new? players, I?d say you?ve improved the most, so I wouldn?t put it past you to be on the mafia team.

Feloreena
Posted once to say they were busy, but hasn?t posted anything game-related.

Endless
You did a good job of appearing town D1. You piggy-backed onto Dad?s suspicions of Dolby, and then posted somewhat frequent posts that contained little to no new content. The only useful thing you posted was, in fact, your full case on Dolby (after Dad?s initial suspicions). Then you went and posted these gems:Um, as has been admitted by practically everyone else, the logic was in no way substantial. It was almost completely based off of his first post, which he admitted he posted just to get the ball rolling. And that?s not even considering the meta involved. Plus, some basic math: only two people didn?t vote for Dolby. If there?s 4 mafia, then at least 2 of the mafia voted for Dolby. Plus, you?d already said you thought Runeraider was town, which only leaves Tom. Pretty sure Tom isn?t mafia by himself.I understand your point, but ignoring any kill is plain stupid. Discussion is how you get the mafia to slip up and say something scummy. To say we shouldn?t discuss a kill is scummy in itself.I feel like with this post, you realized your slip-up and are trying to backpedal without success.

I may go into the who anti-Dad (a.k.a. oh ****, backpedal, backpedal!) post tomorrow, but it?s past 2:00 a.m. now and I feel like that?s enough evidence to vote for you.

Dad
Strong town-read. Has been making coherent, useful posts from the get-go and continues to do so. While we disagree on Crys, I do agree with your reads on everyone else. Don?t really have a lot to say on you other than that - while you?ve by no means been keeping under the radar, none of your posts have really stuck out at me apart from being the most logical and thought-out of the bunch.

Though I swear to god, if you are mafia? fool me one, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

LCocoaBean
Hasn?t posted at all.

Ashtot
Like I said in my last post, your posts are spammy and all over the place, which automatically makes you seem scummy to me. You went hard on the Dolby lynch with little of your own reasoning as well. I?d like some proper reads please and thank you, otherwise I have no qualms about lynching you when the time comes.

crys
Still think you?re scummy for reasons stated in my last post.

Spoiler: Question time!

Can you go into these a bit more? I?d like to hear some reasoning behind your reads, if you don?t mind.

Answer time!I?ll concede on this - this post makes sense based on what was going on at the time.

blu rose
Neutral? they?ve only made one post so far, so not a ton to go on. A bit disjointed and more of a summary than anything else, but I didn?t really expect much.

Spoiler: I do have a question for you about this, though?

Um, maybe I?m misunderstanding the point of this, but Dolby brought up suspicions on Ashtot several times?I realize that the second post could be taken as suspicion being lifted off of him, but it?s not explicitly stated and Dolby did in fact bring up Ashtot?s name so I?m not sure what you?re going on about.

Runeraider
Soft town-read, mostly because I can?t imagine any mafia team letting them post the way they did on D1, as well as the fact that they?ve improved their post quality drastically since then. Did nothing but ****-post, attempt to make deals with the mafia & beg to live through another night apart from 1 or 2 decent posts defending Dolby on D1, but since their survival (congrats), they?ve stepped up their game a fair bit. The way they didn?t agree with the Dolby bandwagon, voted for Dolby, then later changed to no-lynch is a bit meh, but more flip-floppy than scummy to me.

Tom
Soft town-read. Typical D1 play from him, sitting back & watching the drama unfold, with a random revenge-y vote for Daddy-O. Also agrees with my suspicions on Crys. While I don?t appreciate it being used on me, I?m definitely saving that pasta quote for future use, so thank you. His post-D1 posts have been insightful and have also brought light to some people who are floating under the radar, such as Ashtot.

This was an alright post, but I don?t really see much in there that hadn?t been stated. ?There wasn?t anything else new to post?, you?ll say. What about the whole meta thing I said in this ISO in regards to Rune and Tom? I can?t really spell out your suspicions for you, and it isn?t damning evidence that it was nothing new, but I felt that it was a little disturbing.

Yay mafia lynch. ^^

Pretty sure Endless was trying to get the heat off of himself and thought I could be a potential last-minute lynch candidate. When Endless town-read me, it was before my red-read on him and in the wake of the sarcasm thing, where people thought I was protecting him. But lo and behold, once I red-read him, I'm suddenly suspicious for reasons he can't explain.

A logical explanation. Nothing really of note.

Um, what? Was town-reading you, but almost every post you've made since Endless' death has made no sense. Why do you want to lynch Dad?

Dad made a good point on this ? he said that it was odd that LaBelle was ninja?d by Ender 10 minutes after Ender posted, despite how short the post itself was. Nothing too suspicious on its own, but something that I think is worth keeping in mind.
I?ll do the rest later, but I?m afraid of not getting this in before the lynch deadline so.

TL;DR: LaBelle never did something that screamed suspicious. However, she did a plethora of small things? not mentioning people that should have been if she was consistent with her logic. Not posting new ideas (if anything, just simply elaborating on them). Not explaining her ideas to full completion. These small things add up to me being quite weary of her.

I?m alright with lynching Rune, but I think the case on LaBelle is better. I?m guessing it?s too late to change the vote, so I?ll go ahead and vote him if it looks feasible in the voting thread. If it?s a close tie, you can bet your fine ass I?m voting LaBelle.

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Oh wait just realized Day ends tomorrow lol

I'm gonna continue that ISO then

 

[EnderWiggin]

Tbh I too am fine with a Labelle lynch.

Town has free reign to decide between the two because either is good to me. : >

 

[Geoni]

Well if it's not one of the two then idk who else it could be. That being said, Sarasa, I feel the same way about you in that it's a close tie, but different in that I think the behavior on part of Runeraider has shown a little more scumminess than LaBelle (his day one choices and justifications of them, dismissed by Endless really easily, frantic in some of his posts and defensive when he doesn't even need to be). Plus, a lot of why I suspected LaBelle earlier was because I suspected Forek (I was studying their relationship in thread), so a lot of my reasons for suspecting are lessened.

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Also throughout this game LaBelle's suspicions and reasons for doing so have matched mine, although I said some earlier, she was the first to go after Rune for the valid reasons I've come to conclude myself. But she's also had some reads I think are wrong (especially on Crys but who knows).

I like how she was like 'dad is by no means keeping under the radar but none of his posts have stuck out to me apart from being the most logical and thought-out of the bunch'

...uh, 'apart from' well what else was I supposed to try and be other than making my choices based on logic and thought out reasons and explaining why?

 

[Arstotzkan]

Alright, all done now. Though to be honest, as suspicious as I see Rune and Fleur, I don't see them being in a team at all. I've got a gut feeling that Feloreena is the mafian that isn't being counted atm, since no one else makes sense to me.

Spoiler: Completed LaBelleFleur ISO

How often do you intend to post each day? Probably quite a bit, since I'm off work right now (yay ).
Gun to your head, you had to Lynch 1 player off the nonexistent content so far, who do you Lynch? Endless, since the last time he pulled this RQS crap he was scum, so.
There is a red button, a green button and a yellow button, which to click? Green.
What's your avatar? Jeeeeellyfiiiiish.
How much previous forum mafia experience do you have? A wee bit.

Glad someone got the ball rolling, but I can't support FOSing anyone based on meta alone.
Also for some reason I had it in my head that this was Legend of Korra mafia while I was reading justice's opening post and was very confused.

Pretty standard, though I for some reason can't dismiss the thick sarcasm here. LaBelle isn't the kind to joke/troll around. Yes, I'm aware that's me raising an eyebrow because of meta, but I'll go on to use some evidence later.

Nah, it was sarcasm. I do want to keep Endless in the back of my head, though, because while he hasn?t done anything particularly scummy in my eyes yet, he is a very strong player & people tend to sheep him (good if he?s town, terrible if he?s mafia).Um, I literally said the opposite of this? I said I didn?t support a lynch based on meta alone. Pls read. Guessing you assumed this based on my answer to Endless? question, so I?ll let it slide.

See above for alignment against Endless.

Crystal matched my ?reads? (that were complete sarcasm). I posted before her. Anyways, I?m pretty suspicious of her right now.Why bother answering the RQS if you?re not going to provide any useful information out of it?Feels very much ?I don?t wanna vote Dolby, so here?s a weak reasoning on Endless and maybe people will jump on it."We?ve actually gotten quite a bit of information, more than enough for you to make an actual case if you so chose. Not having much information to make a case D1 is a totally invalid excuse.Again, this D1 has been very active - there?s more than enough information to make a case. I may have joked about RQS = scum for Endless, but that?s a completely stupid reason to suspect him IMO. I will consider your point about him going after strong targets as mafia, but again, I refuse to lynch someone based on meta alone, and I don?t think that?s enough to FOS him.See above for suspicions on Crystal. Soft town-reading Dad, Endless & you (SarasaKat) right now. On the fence for Ashtot, Enderwiggin, pillow bunny & Runeraider (mostly because I haven?t really had time to analyze their posts in detail and on my read-throughs nothing stuck out to me as particularly scummy).


So, Dolby. Looks as though your first post got you killed, mate. You got the ball rolling for sure, but why do all of your options include random/no lynch? How about, y?know, scum hunting? Were you expecting everyone to just jump on your meta bandwagon? This whole post is completely useless under the guise of being useful. I especially like the clause at the end. ?I haven?t played in a while, so excuse all my slip-ups please!?Decent defence, but ugh ugh ugh. Random/no lynching when scum hunting is an option is just no.Thanks for the reads, but you still haven?t really made a proper case for anyone. You?ve just been throwing out names.

I?d prefer to vote for Crystal, since I think the case on her is much stronger than the case for Dolby, but I think the case on Dolby is good enough to support a lynch for him, and it looks like that's the way the lynch is going to go, so that?s who my vote is going to.

At the time, this post eased my suspicions towards LaBelle. It takes things seriously and she uses logic. However, now that I take a closer look, there's some things that throw me off.

1) Her suspicions of Crys seem awful repetitive of what PB said at the time

2) "Why bother answering the RQs if you're not going to provide any useful information out of it?". Iirc, this has already been brought up regarding her, but it's not like LaBelle gave a ton of information herself in the RQs (how do you make RQs game-changing anyways?)

3) "Decent defense, but ugh ugh ugh." If it was a decent defense, then I'd imagine LaBelle would have been satisfied. She obviously still felt like something was off, but she didn't explain what she felt was off.

4) More of a side thing than anything, but Fleur, you never said "the opposite" of meta-lynching in your first post.

I've been out all day and glanced in briefly here and there. Meant to read through everything thoroughly tonight, but decided to work out for the first time in several years first, and now I am literally a puddle of jelly on the floor, so. Expect something from me either really late tonight or tomorrow morning.

Nothing of note.

Just read through everything, will posts reads once I get my head wrapped around things.

First of all, to clarify my post - my intention was mostly sarcasm (Endless did an RQS when he was mafia in Bravely Default, clearly he must be mafia now) - but I also didn?t want people to sheep him as has been the case in the past. In retrospect, the point was unnecessary - Correct me if I?m wrong, but I think everyone here has played at least one game of mafia with Endless, and at least one game of mafia, period. They?ve experienced his play style and also how not to be a complete idiot. So my point became confusing & pointless. Apologies for that.

I was committed to lynching Crystal because they looked scummy, and because I found their reasoning for lynching Endless extremely weak. For you, and also for EnderWiggin, who mentioned it in an earlier post - my intention was not to defend Endless. It was to FOS Crystal, since they were throwing out weak, meta-based suspicions on Endless. They said themselves that they threw out suspicion on Endless because they didn't want to ride the Dolby bandwagon and felt a meta twinge of suspicion for Endless. So really, Crystal could've made a weak case on anyone, and I'd still be suspicious of them.I definitely need to go do some reading on Endless based on the conversation that's come up, but I'm still suspicious of Crystal because since the Dolby vote they've become infinitely more wishy-washy.OK, let me get this straight - you think Dolby was wishy-washy, but town-read him and refused to vote for him. And on top of that, you agree with his red-reads, which were entirely based on meta and also included you? Please clarify.

Ashtot, please post something meaningful. Every since post you've made has been complete garbage with little to no evidence behind it, thanks.

This is a good post, had it been when she posted her initial suspicion, but at this point in the game, something changed that she didn?t address (that if this was truly her main suspicion, needed to be addressed). There had been plenty of people at this point in the game who had used meta suspicions/town reads (like Rune and Tom) who she didn?t bring up as suspicious, yet she doesn?t mention them at all. Even if she thought they had an excuse, I?d imagine that the topic would come up somewhere. Yet it doesn?t. This screams to me that she?s honing in on Crys.

Voila, some reads. (At 2:00 a.m., no less. hopefully they're coherent.)

SarasaKat
Strong town-read. The majority of her posts contribute to the conversation, and she asks good questions. Not going to put a whole lot of stock into it, since I do have a strong town-read on her still, just something I wanted to remember for future reference.

EnderWiggin
It?s past 2:00 a.m. and I can?t be bothered to re-read your absolutely massive walls of text right now to do a proper read? later.

Forek
Neutral. Their posts have an air of acting useful while providing no new information, but I don?t really have anything on them to make a case, mostly just a gut suspicion. Also, this:I can?t for the life of me understand how you thought this would be a good idea for town, please explain.

Out of all the ?new? players, I?d say you?ve improved the most, so I wouldn?t put it past you to be on the mafia team.

Feloreena
Posted once to say they were busy, but hasn?t posted anything game-related.

Endless
You did a good job of appearing town D1. You piggy-backed onto Dad?s suspicions of Dolby, and then posted somewhat frequent posts that contained little to no new content. The only useful thing you posted was, in fact, your full case on Dolby (after Dad?s initial suspicions). Then you went and posted these gems:Um, as has been admitted by practically everyone else, the logic was in no way substantial. It was almost completely based off of his first post, which he admitted he posted just to get the ball rolling. And that?s not even considering the meta involved. Plus, some basic math: only two people didn?t vote for Dolby. If there?s 4 mafia, then at least 2 of the mafia voted for Dolby. Plus, you?d already said you thought Runeraider was town, which only leaves Tom. Pretty sure Tom isn?t mafia by himself.I understand your point, but ignoring any kill is plain stupid. Discussion is how you get the mafia to slip up and say something scummy. To say we shouldn?t discuss a kill is scummy in itself.I feel like with this post, you realized your slip-up and are trying to backpedal without success.

I may go into the who anti-Dad (a.k.a. oh ****, backpedal, backpedal!) post tomorrow, but it?s past 2:00 a.m. now and I feel like that?s enough evidence to vote for you.

Dad
Strong town-read. Has been making coherent, useful posts from the get-go and continues to do so. While we disagree on Crys, I do agree with your reads on everyone else. Don?t really have a lot to say on you other than that - while you?ve by no means been keeping under the radar, none of your posts have really stuck out at me apart from being the most logical and thought-out of the bunch.

Though I swear to god, if you are mafia? fool me one, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

LCocoaBean
Hasn?t posted at all.

Ashtot
Like I said in my last post, your posts are spammy and all over the place, which automatically makes you seem scummy to me. You went hard on the Dolby lynch with little of your own reasoning as well. I?d like some proper reads please and thank you, otherwise I have no qualms about lynching you when the time comes.

crys
Still think you?re scummy for reasons stated in my last post.

Spoiler: Question time!

Can you go into these a bit more? I?d like to hear some reasoning behind your reads, if you don?t mind.

Answer time!I?ll concede on this - this post makes sense based on what was going on at the time.

blu rose
Neutral? they?ve only made one post so far, so not a ton to go on. A bit disjointed and more of a summary than anything else, but I didn?t really expect much.

Spoiler: I do have a question for you about this, though?

Um, maybe I?m misunderstanding the point of this, but Dolby brought up suspicions on Ashtot several times?I realize that the second post could be taken as suspicion being lifted off of him, but it?s not explicitly stated and Dolby did in fact bring up Ashtot?s name so I?m not sure what you?re going on about.

Runeraider
Soft town-read, mostly because I can?t imagine any mafia team letting them post the way they did on D1, as well as the fact that they?ve improved their post quality drastically since then. Did nothing but ****-post, attempt to make deals with the mafia & beg to live through another night apart from 1 or 2 decent posts defending Dolby on D1, but since their survival (congrats), they?ve stepped up their game a fair bit. The way they didn?t agree with the Dolby bandwagon, voted for Dolby, then later changed to no-lynch is a bit meh, but more flip-floppy than scummy to me.

Tom
Soft town-read. Typical D1 play from him, sitting back & watching the drama unfold, with a random revenge-y vote for Daddy-O. Also agrees with my suspicions on Crys. While I don?t appreciate it being used on me, I?m definitely saving that pasta quote for future use, so thank you. His post-D1 posts have been insightful and have also brought light to some people who are floating under the radar, such as Ashtot.

I don?t really see much in there that hadn?t been stated. ?There wasn?t anything else new to post?, you?ll say. What about the whole meta thing I said in this ISO in regards to Rune and Tom? I can?t really spell out your suspicions for you, and it isn?t damning evidence that it was nothing new, but I felt that it was a little disturbing.
Also, Fleur, those two posts that you pointed out for me pointed towards the same thing. I found Dolby?s reasoning weak, and I found him as the best candidate for a lynch that day.

Yay mafia lynch. ^^

Pretty sure Endless was trying to get the heat off of himself and thought I could be a potential last-minute lynch candidate. When Endless town-read me, it was before my red-read on him and in the wake of the sarcasm thing, where people thought I was protecting him. But lo and behold, once I red-read him, I'm suddenly suspicious for reasons he can't explain.

A logical explanation. Nothing really of note.

Um, what? Was town-reading you, but almost every post you've made since Endless' death has made no sense. Why do you want to lynch Dad?

Dad made a good point on this ? he said that it was odd that LaBelle was ninja?d by Ender 10 minutes after Ender posted, despite how short the post itself was. Nothing too suspicious on its own, but something that I think is worth keeping in mind.

Yeah, I got ninja?d by Ender. Saw Rune?s post right after I woke up from my phone, knew I wanted to say something in response, and didn?t see Ender?s post by the time I woke up enough to say something coherent/logged in.

Anyways. On to Rune. I town-read you based on two things - The way you posted on D1, and the way your posting style dramatically improved post D1. I thought that no mafia would let their teammate post like that, lest they get lynched (same way you did in Bravely Default mafia, though you weren?t mafia there). But with Endless flipping read, I?m starting to think the whole thing was somewhat calculated.

D1, it was pretty clear early on that Dolby was getting lynched. Since the lynch was pretty much locked in, it didn?t really matter what you posted. Sure, it made some people suspicious of you, but on the other hand, I (and others) thought you were town because of the way you were posting.

Post D1, your style cleaned up. You started contributing. Why? Dolby?s dead, we need another lynch candidate. If you?d kept ****-posting, you could?ve been considered. So you start acting more town, and combined with your D1 style, you got lumped in with the town-reads and Endless got lynched.

Now it?s N2. The maestro?s been lynched. There?s no leader to tell you how to post anymore. We?re finally getting a candid look at your thoughts. And boy, are they interesting indeed.Why on earth would a PR want to role-claim at night? To do that is to put a giant ?kill me!? sign on their back.Pretty much the only thing you?ve posted since nightfall that holds any water.Normally, I?d be like ?yes, discuss!? (and I was yesterday), but now that Endless has flipped red, it?s pretty obvious the pillow bunny kill was just meant to make everyone confused & question the mafia?s motives, especially in combination with the giant list Endless posted not long afterwards.This whole post has an air of useful, yet useless information. While I haven?t played many games with Endless, I just can?t see him going ?here Forek, pick a kill candidate at random! pillow bunny? Sure!?. Just feels like you?re trying to bring attention to something that?s already been discussed in order to make everyone overthink it and jump to wild conclusions.Already replied to this. What even.

Only problem I have with this post is that LaBelle lumps the whole ?Hey guys we should look at Endless and the PB situation? talk with things she thinks is a suspicion (so she?s suspicious of him for asking to look further into a situation or..?) which I fail to understand. Also, out of the 5 posts she quoted, I only saw ones that sounded like she was pointing suspicion at Rune in two of them (The first one and the last one). So the post is much lengthier than it should be, if she wanted to get her point across. Perhaps it was due to her wanting to quote every single one of his night post. But I feel like that should organized better, rather than implying that all of his posts were suspicious.

I actually meant to say in my last post that I was going to post a read on Forek as well, and then totally forgot to add it before I posted. I can?t post-merge so I didn?t add it after ?cause I didn?t want to spam the thread with a bunch of consecutive one-sentence posts.

TL;DR: Here?s a Forek read.

Honestly, my thoughts on Forek post Endless flip haven?t changed a whole lot. I still can?t get a good read on him. Furthermore, looking back, he was one of the people suspicious of Rune D1. Unless he was trying to bus Rune, which I doubt, I can?t see them being on a scum team together, and Rune is striking me as more scummy than Forek right now. And Forek agreed with me on Crys. But, post Endless flip, I need to reevaluate Crys, since they were suspicious of Endless from the get-go and unless they were trying to bus, they?re looking pretty town for that reason alone.More twingy gut feeling stuff, but this response just strikes me as subtle back-pedalling. If you are in fact teamed with Rune, it?s convenient that you suddenly town-read him.

Also convenient is this:
This whole post contradicts itself. They?re null, but they?re scum. After you ISO?d them to say they were scum. Which one is it?Why, why, why would you claim at night if you?re a town killing role? I understand that you were being put under pressure, but there was literally no risk of you being killed until lynch tomorrow as I?m guessing you?re the only vigilante (apart from a mafia kill, of course). Just screams more back-pedalling.

TL;DR again: Forek's acting scummy but I can't really get a definitive read on them because of my suspicions towards Rune. I just can't see them on a scum team together. But hopefully that answers your question, Dad.

I like that she?s able to step away from her thoughts about Crys?s lynch, so this earned brownie points in terms of how I see her. I find her third reason odd though ? she says she?s suspicious of Forek for claiming one-shot Vig in the middle of the night. She focused on how it was illogical, not how it was indicative of scum, so that weakened her read.

I?m actually much more certain about my reads on Rune than I am about my reads on Forek, and even more so now, since him shooting Ashtot makes sense. The main reason being while Forek has made some scummy posts, his style of posting has remained consistent throughout the game. As I pointed out, Rune went from ****-posting, to contributing and making decent posts, back into the land of no-logic posts. Which makes me think someone was playing puppeteer.

No argument here. I was being too liberal with the word, and Forek wasn?t exactly back-pedalling.Give me time to finish reading why don?t you.
I?m Kami, a townie.

This was good logic.

LaBelle never did something that screamed suspicious. However, she did a plethora of small things? not mentioning people that should have been if she was consistent with her logic. Not posting new ideas (if anything, just simply elaborating on them). Not explaining her ideas to completion. Using unsubstantial reasoning as a basis to FOS people. These small things add up to me being quite weary of her.

HOWEVER, now that I look back at her, she definitely had her townie moments. She?s given good reasoning at times, and seems to be able to see when to step down from a lost cause (stepping down from her pressure on Crys). Overall, though, I think she has more bad points than good points, and is worth lynching.

 

[LaBelleFleur]

Just got home, have to do some reading, but Dad:

I like how she was like 'dad is by no means keeping under the radar but none of his posts have stuck out to me apart from being the most logical and thought-out of the bunch'

...uh, 'apart from' well what else was I supposed to try and be other than making my choices based on logic and thought out reasons and explaining why?

You're reading too much into it. I just meant that your posts were the most calm, logical, and thought-out of anyone here's posts, and I'd be extremely surprised if you were mafia for that reason. Please don't make me explain my compliments...