Mafia Shadowrun: Dragonfall Mafia - Town Wins!

[Forek]

Wont be on much for the next couple of days, so im placing y vote on rune reasoning read my other posts. Thanks.

 

[LaBelleFleur]

Response to your ISO, Kat:

LaBelle isn't the kind to joke/troll around.

I thought you knew me better than this. </3

1) Her suspicions of Crys seem awful repetitive of what PB said at the time

As far as I can tell, pillow bunny barely posted about Crys except to say they were scum with no reasoning?

Spoiler: pillow bunny's references to Crys before my first post on them for reference

you're scum, your reason for voting for endless instead of dolby makes no sense

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dolby probably told her to say this in the qt

also wanted to point out that bravely default is the only game Crys and Endless played together

@Dolby I agree, Crys is scummy so we should kill pillow bunny

i felt that LaBelle was being sarcastic and Crys was actually trying to get Endless lynched through Dolby's third idea

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so like, they're probably unrelated

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i thought so too. the first part of his most recent post is really similar to crys', which normally wouldn't be a big deal, but it's kind of a weird sentence, since it's "trying to look helpful" instead of "trying to be helpful"





the rest of rune and crys' posts basically boil down to "dolby's not that sus, let's vote for someone else instead" until rune suddenly turns around and votes for dolby. i don't scumread rune yet, but that's probably what you thought was off about him

pillow didn't actually mention a single point I made about Crys (my points: their reads on Endless were weak, didn't want to make a case, claimed there was nothing to take from D1 [when there was lots]). And like I said in an earlier post, since Endless flipped red, I need to reevaluate Crys.

2) "Why bother answering the RQs if you're not going to provide any useful information out of it?". Iirc, this has already been brought up regarding her, but it's not like LaBelle gave a ton of information herself in the RQs (how do you make RQs game-changing anyways?)

I've already addressed this. Was more of a side point to add to my case on Crys.

3) "Decent defense, but ugh ugh ugh." If it was a decent defense, then I'd imagine LaBelle would have been satisfied. She obviously still felt like something was off, but she didn't explain what she felt was off.

The 'ugh's weren't from something being off. They were from Dolby's suggestion that random/no lynching was a good idea. I thought I made that pretty clear with my comments after that sentence:

Decent defence, but ugh ugh ugh. Random/no lynching when scum hunting is an option is just no.

4) More of a side thing than anything, but Fleur, you never said "the opposite" of meta-lynching in your first post.

Did I really need to state the obvious answer to this? Opposite of meta-lynching is scum-hunting and using evidence from the game at hand to make an informed lynch decision.

This is a good post, had it been when she posted her initial suspicion, but at this point in the game, something changed that she didn?t address (that if this was truly her main suspicion, needed to be addressed). There had been plenty of people at this point in the game who had used meta suspicions/town reads (like Rune and Tom) who she didn?t bring up as suspicious, yet she doesn?t mention them at all. Even if she thought they had an excuse, I?d imagine that the topic would come up somewhere. Yet it doesn?t. This screams to me that she?s honing in on Crys.

I think you missed this bit:

Just read through everything, will posts reads once I get my head wrapped around things.

I didn't mention Rune or Tom because the post was in response to questions asked of me, not a proper read post. At that point my suspicions were on Crys (and that was what was being questioned), so I planned to talk about everyone else in my read post (which I did). The Ashtot bit was just because I wanted to hear more from him in order to make a decent read.

I don?t really see much in there that hadn?t been stated. ?There wasn?t anything else new to post?, you?ll say. What about the whole meta thing I said in this ISO in regards to Rune and Tom? I can?t really spell out your suspicions for you, and it isn?t damning evidence that it was nothing new, but I felt that it was a little disturbing.

I'm not sure why you're so focused on my lack of criticizing others for using meta? If they were only using meta to make decisions, sure, but both Tom & Rune were using in-game evidence as well as meta. I don't see a problem with that as long as the meta doesn't take over the in-game evidence. Plus, the reason Tom didn't ride the Dolby bandwagon was because he thought the thing was based on meta.

I stand by my read on Tom at this point, and I've already talked about my change of opinion on Rune.

Dad made a good point on this ? he said that it was odd that LaBelle was ninja?d by Ender 10 minutes after Ender posted, despite how short the post itself was. Nothing too suspicious on its own, but something that I think is worth keeping in mind.

Already explained this.

Only problem I have with this post is that LaBelle lumps the whole ?Hey guys we should look at Endless and the PB situation? talk with things she thinks is a suspicion (so she?s suspicious of him for asking to look further into a situation or..?) which I fail to understand.

I was suspicious because Rune wanted to keep talking about it, when it was pretty much established that the pillow bunny kill was the mafia's attempt to cause town confusion.

Also, out of the 5 posts she quoted, I only saw ones that sounded like she was pointing suspicion at Rune in two of them (The first one and the last one). So the post is much lengthier than it should be, if she wanted to get her point across. Perhaps it was due to her wanting to quote every single one of his night post. But I feel like that should organized better, rather than implying that all of his posts were suspicious.

Sorry it's not organized well enough for you.

I find her third reason odd though ? she says she?s suspicious of Forek for claiming one-shot Vig in the middle of the night. She focused on how it was illogical, not how it was indicative of scum, so that weakened her read.

Saying I was calling it illogical v.s. scummy and that in turn indicates scumminess on my part is total BS when I used neither word in reference to it. It was a read, one I made it quite clear I was uncertain on in that post.

Case in point: Your ISO on me is a giant nitpick-fest.

 

[illunie]

Oh god what is this pile on me.
Why am I scummy?

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Despite that guy being the brother of Endless' character I can't suspect you on that since the story is more complex than that and apparently his brother did kinda save the world, but 'I can send you my internet search history to show I didn't look it up.' seems dramatic and of course no screenshots are allowed in tbt mafia games.

It's a joke.
IT'S A JOKE.

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2. A mischievous trick; a prank: played a joke on his roommate.

3. Something that is of ludicrously poor quality: Their delivery service is a joke.

4. Informal
a. Something not to be taken seriously; a triviality: The accident was no joke.

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I want Rune to be honest. Reading over his posts it strikes me really oddly that he was kinda obsessed over what my role was, out of all the roles.

What do you mean? I just wanted to know what your role was. I already knew what the other roles are.
That's probably a dumb answer that answers nothing, but at least you'll know I'm telling the truth when you lynch me!

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I'm gonna vote LaBelle since she's pretty much against me at this point.
Gonna try and win on the plurality, help me guys.

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Also, this sounds stupid even to me, but some part of me feels that Dad is maf.
Basically just for not being killed.
But still.

 

[illunie]

In fact, more and more of me is coming round to the idea of Dad as scum. I mean, although he has played very townish, he hasn't actually been proven yet.

Plus, the speed of the switch onto me had to have come from somewhere.

Call it a dumb attempt to get the heat off of me, but once I'm lynched you'll see that my foses are genuine.

 

[EnderWiggin]

The problem with Dad as scum is that he was the driving force behind the Endless lynch that made me comfortable enough to try playing lure. The problem is that out of all the players, Endless appealed to Dad and I specifically. I mean, you could argue that was set up in the Maf QT.

You could also argue that I was in that too.

 

[Arstotzkan]

I'm taking ACTS/have work today so I won't be able to be on much but there's two posts that stuck out to me in LaBelle's reply so I'll reply to those

Sorry it's not organized enough for you

My problem is that you lumped your apparent suspicions with things that you were just sort of commenting on (not really being suspicious of). So it's deceptive in how much evidence you're really using against them.

Saying I was calling it illogical v.s. scummy and that in turn indicates scumminess on my part is total BS when I used neither word in reference to it. It was a read, one I made it quite clear I was uncertain on in that post.

What am I supposed to make of this, then?

Just screams more back-pedalling.

No, you never used the word "scummy" to describe it, but I don't see how else we're supposed to take out of you saying "back-pedaling".

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I was suspicious because Rune wanted to keep talking about it, when it was pretty much established that the pillow bunny kill was the mafia's attempt to cause town confusion.

How's that suspicious though? If he had a different idea than what the rest of town established, then it's worth hearing - either to explain where he was wrong or to take a new perspective into consideration.

 

[illunie]

The problem with Dad as scum is that he was the driving force behind the Endless lynch that made me comfortable enough to try playing lure. The problem is that out of all the players, Endless appealed to Dad and I specifically. I mean, you could argue that was set up in the Maf QT.

You could also argue that I was in that too.

So you're saying Dad is clear since they were the driving force behind the Endless lynch?

Well, I was the first to fos Endless on that day and am therefore another driving force behind the Endless lynch, and yet you think that I'm mafia. Nice double standard.

By the way, if I sound like I don't trust you, I do. I'm just trying to look smart. And failing.

 

[Arstotzkan]

The 'ugh's weren't from something being off. They were from Dolby's suggestion that random/no lynching was a good idea. I thought I made that pretty clear with my comments after that sentence:

You thought it was a decent defense, but you still voted for Dolby, no? I think that requires some explanation.

I thought you knew me better than this. </3

You joke around in the Skype chat, sure, but I'm pretty sure that's the first time I've seen you joke around in a mafia game (unless I'm missing something from meme mafia, but I'm pretty sure you were one of the few that stayed serious the whole time).

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I'll look into Rune and Tom when I get home.

Also, that's it from me for now folks. I should be able to be back home in a few hours.

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So you're saying Dad is clear since they were the driving force behind the Endless lynch?

Well, I was the first to fos Endless on that day and am therefore another driving force behind the Endless lynch, and yet you think that I'm mafia. Nice double standard.

By the way, if I sound like I don't trust you, I do. I'm just trying to look smart. And failing.

A driving force is defined as one of the people who pushed others to vote for someone. You didn't do much besides "hey he's suspicious". The two people that were driving forces in that lynch were Ender and Dad because Ender and Dad put in a lot of analysis to make him look bad.

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So you're saying Dad is clear since they were the driving force behind the Endless lynch?

Well, I was the first to fos Endless on that day and am therefore another driving force behind the Endless lynch, and yet you think that I'm mafia. Nice double standard.

By the way, if I sound like I don't trust you, I do. I'm just trying to look smart. And failing.

A driving force is defined as one of the people who pushed others to vote for someone. You didn't do much besides "hey he's suspicious". The two people that were driving forces in that lynch were Ender and Dad because Ender and Dad put in a lot of analysis to make him look bad.

 

[Geoni]

In fact, more and more of me is coming round to the idea of Dad as scum. I mean, although he has played very townish, he hasn't actually been proven yet.

Plus, the speed of the switch onto me had to have come from somewhere.

Call it a dumb attempt to get the heat off of me, but once I'm lynched you'll see that my foses are genuine.

It came from Ender confirming Forek, since I voted Forek a minute after day started. Then I unvoted, read into current players, and have decided on you. There's nothing too sudden about it, so you trying to use that as behavior to scumread me is grasping at straws.

Also, Ender hinted at being PR while I only claimed town, so me being alive isn't that much of a stretch - I was probably target #2 but the person you think is cop takes priority when you're maf.

You keep responding with 'it was a joke!' when we call you out on certain behavior that seems off, such as when you kept telling mafia not to kill you and when you were saying 'please don't lynch me' and going as far as saying you'll screenshot your history. You weren't joking there - you were trying to come off as convincing.

You've locked my vote on you, Rune.

 

[f11]

sorry for my absence ive been swamped with homework. I'm going to read what I missed and then post my thoughts later before day ends.

 

[EnderWiggin]

You know, if you DO actually flip town, Rune. I suggest you reread this game. Understanding why you were lynched this game will help improve your game.

Then again, I recommend doing the same if you are scum. I always recommend rereading games you fail in. Every mistake you make is a lesson.

 

[f11]

First off, id like to say sorry for my inactivity,I hadn't planned on being so busy when i played. Anyway I caught up and decided to place my vote on Labelle. She thinks that I'm scummy even though ive claimed and I think I've proved my self by lynch of endless but w/e. She piggybacks (im trying use another word but i cant think of one) and something seems off about her.

I also think rune has a point on how Dad hasn't been 100% cleared and has a chance if being maf, but I'll get into that later.

 

[illunie]

When I'm lynched, Dad is going to be like 'I knew it all along!'.

If we could, I would like a report on Dad. He's a strong player and should be confirmed trustworthy, or otherwise. It's not worth it to get a report on LaBelle, since you'll probably lynch them tomorrow no questions.

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You know, if you DO actually flip town, Rune. I suggest you reread this game. Understanding why you were lynched this game will help improve your game.

Then again, I recommend doing the same if you are scum. I always recommend rereading games you fail in. Every mistake you make is a lesson.

My attention span wouldn't allow for that.

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If somebody could switch their vote, that would be fantastic. Hey, you! Yes, you! The guy in incog mode! help pls

 

[Geoni]

Inb4 it was Endless/Runeraider/Crys all along. If LaBelle flips town I'm convinced that's what the team might be.

 

[Blu Rose]

Inb4 it was Endless/Runeraider/Crys all along. If LaBelle flips town I'm convinced that's what the team might be.

isn't this a contradiction

 

[Geoni]

Also, why are you suddenly turning on me Rune?

I also think rune has a point on how Dad hasn't been 100% cleared and has a chance if being maf, but I'll get into that later.

Get into that now, as to why I have a chance of being maf. I'm not taking people seriously when they post the old 'scumread, but I'll explain why later', especially this close to the day ending. No, I'm not confirmed, but I feel like Rune is trying to write off all my reads solely on that, which frustrates me because I haven't put the work that I have into reads just for people to plain old ignore me.

 

[Forek]

Hey, sorry for my inactivity, i cracked my ipad and it's the only thing i mainly use to post. @Rune You were not the driving force of the Endless lynch, as others said, you literally did nothing to help towards the lynch. I'm convinced you are scum. If you really aren't, then please don't act so scummy in your next game/games.

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Also, why are you suddenly turning on me Rune?



Get into that now, as to why I have a chance of being maf. I'm not taking people seriously when they post the old 'scumread, but I'll explain why later', especially this close to the day ending. No, I'm not confirmed, but I feel like Rune is trying to write off all my reads solely on that, which frustrates me because I haven't put the work that I have into reads just for people to plain old ignore me.

That's usually what scum do. Get lots of vote, close to getting lynched - then try to shift all the votes onto somebody that's not confirmed, and have a weak read at that.

 

[Geoni]

isn't this a contradiction

Conviction doesn't always = complete certainty, just enough to vote on a person.

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Also, I can't even come close to being 100% certain about Crys given how he posted @ Endless day one doesn't seem like something he'd do as maf.

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That's usually what scum do. Get lots of vote, close to getting lynched - then try to shift all the votes onto somebody that's not confirmed, and have a weak read at that.

That's not exactly what I mean there, since it's LaBelle that's getting votes shifted in her direction, but at the end of the day if somebody comes along and disagrees with the lynch candidate and has shown to lead town on the previous day, that person's reads at this important moment need to be disenfranchised.

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btw where are you Tom?

 

[EnderWiggin]

I think at this point I really need to see the flip on Rune.

 

[Arstotzkan]

I think at this point I really need to see the flip on Rune.

Definitely agreed (and why I changed my vote). I'd rather have LaBelle around than Rune, and I feel like one flip will confirm the other. It should also provide some information regarding the Dad lynch thing (lol wut).