Mafia Shadowrun: Dragonfall Mafia - Town Wins!

[Endless]

You know there's enough material there without you misreading him. He legitimately says why IN that post you're quoting

To wit, "but it tends to lead to him having poor gameplay and just being a distraction towards the endgame (I shot him for that in bird mafia 2), I'm glad that he's taking this game somewhat seriously now."

Still doesn't justify the complete lack of mention of Ashtot further in the post.

 

[EnderWiggin]

Nono, like Im dine with you now lol. I'm not sus of you anymore, since I think you gave good reasons to your actions.

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*fine

I don't care if you want my explanations, YOU WILL TAKE THEM AND YOU WILL LIKE THEM.

(Jk)

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Still doesn't justify the complete lack of mention of Ashtot further in the post.

"he now lists him as a no-shot on his lynch options." - Endless

Well duh.

 

[illunie]

What time does day end? I'm wondering if I'll be awake at that time.

 

[EnderWiggin]

13 hours til day end.

 

[illunie]

OK, I'm going to switch my vote to no lynch in order to distance myself from this Dolby lynch even though it's going to go through no matter what, because I don't really think that he's that scummy. He's simply defending himself without being too violent and explaining his actions. Or at least trying to.

Anyway, I think that a lynch can be much better used on a player such as pillow bunny, as all they do is confuse the game with their weird fosses. But since it will probably be interpreted as a bus or a random vote that people will kill me over, I'm going to vote nl. I don't care if it's not optimal, it's plurality so you'll get your precious Dolby lynch.

I'm gonna start trying day 2, look out for that. Good night everybody.

 

[Arstotzkan]

Rune, you saying you would vote them but don't want it to look like you're bussing is kinda pointless, since your words indicate a strong suspicion in themselves. Why would making it look like you're not bussing be of concern to you? Also, I'm assuming you think that his defense was good enough for you, yes? Can you explain why it's adequate in your book? I'm curious to as how you line up his logic with his actions.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

@Tom Then I think you ought to explain your reads and why you're reading people like Dolby, Crys, and Labelle as town (and sus of PB). Also, why would we on purpose make D1 unproductive? That just doesnt make any sense.

I don't recall giving away any town reads.

I'll explain more later during my break or when I get off, but I think you all are bandwagoning Dolby way too easily.

 

[Arstotzkan]

I don't recall giving away any town reads.

I'll explain more later during my break or when I get off, but I think you all are bandwagoning Dolby way too easily.

Oh yeah rip. To be more precise, why so you find those individuals not suspicious then.

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do*

I really need to spellcheck before posting on my phone lmao

 

[Arstotzkan]

Not sure if you guys realize but we have 5 hours and 30 minutes until day ends.

Dolby, if you think a role claim would help, this would be the time to do it.

 

[radical6]

You have 5 hours until Day 1 ends. You must vote. Anyone who misses voting today will get a warning.

also i apologize for having no countdown, gifcountdown is down for me. if anyone has a countdown site i can use ill put it in the op

 

[Arstotzkan]

You could use Wolfram alpha. It's basically a site where it takes a time and translates it to your time zone. It also does a bunch of other stuff, but idek about that stuff. Basically, in that search bar looking thing, you type in a time/timezone and it works its magic.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=7+PM+EDT+9/6/15

It should be able to give a time conversion from what the typed in time is to your time. It also shows a countdown until the established time.

 

[LaBelleFleur]

The most interesting point I've seen so far in answers to Endless' questions was LaBelle's answer to the gun to the head question: Endless did this his first game here and he turned out to be scum, but hasn't done it in the other game(s?) I've played with him. Part of me thinks that the lack of enthusiasm LaBelle has in choosing Endless over anyone else is that she wants to begin a dialogue with him, or something.

Nah, it was sarcasm. I do want to keep Endless in the back of my head, though, because while he hasn?t done anything particularly scummy in my eyes yet, he is a very strong player & people tend to sheep him (good if he?s town, terrible if he?s mafia).

Is it just me, or is there quite a few people only using meta to formulate suspicions here? (Crys, Dolby, LaBelle, Ender (When Ender thought Dolby was sus because of offering NL and having been apart of 25 games, I consider that meta)). Kinda odd that it's being used so much in this game.

Um, I literally said the opposite of this? I said I didn?t support a lynch based on meta alone. Pls read. Guessing you assumed this based on my answer to Endless? question, so I?ll let it slide.

Glad someone got the ball rolling, but I can't support FOSing anyone based on meta alone.

tbh I'd really like to hear more from LaBelle regarding her matching Crystal's reads and alignment against Endless.

See above for alignment against Endless.

Crystal matched my ?reads? (that were complete sarcasm). I posted before her. Anyways, I?m pretty suspicious of her right now.

Gun to your head, you had to Lynch 1 player off the nonexistent content so far, who do you Lynch? idk someone who hasnt posted anything.

Why bother answering the RQS if you?re not going to provide any useful information out of it?

to me, Dolby just seems like town trying to seem at the start if the game, its not worth my vote. Endless' play style reminds me how he played in bravely default mafia. I will probably vote for them unless something comes up.

Feels very much ?I don?t wanna vote Dolby, so here?s a weak reasoning on Endless and maybe people will jump on it."

All I was trying to say is that if Dolby was indeed mafia, I dont think they would try to start the game off so strong and bring attention to themselves. Something felt off about Endless so I tried to express it. Im not "going after" a stronger player I haven't even voted yet. I justed stated a small suspicion I had from the little information we get on day 1.

We?ve actually gotten quite a bit of information, more than enough for you to make an actual case if you so chose. Not having much information to make a case D1 is a totally invalid excuse.

I still wont have my comp for a day or two so I'll just cite like 2 examples. For one in both he started with random questions; this time with even more random questions. At the beginning of the that game and this one he went after strong players (Dad that game and Dolby this one) I know this is nothing but this just Day 1 and there's like nothing.

Again, this D1 has been very active - there?s more than enough information to make a case. I may have joked about RQS = scum for Endless, but that?s a completely stupid reason to suspect him IMO. I will consider your point about him going after strong targets as mafia, but again, I refuse to lynch someone based on meta alone, and I don?t think that?s enough to FOS him.

@Labelle Mind giving some reads on people?

See above for suspicions on Crystal. Soft town-reading Dad, Endless & you (SarasaKat) right now. On the fence for Ashtot, Enderwiggin, pillow bunny & Runeraider (mostly because I haven?t really had time to analyze their posts in detail and on my read-throughs nothing stuck out to me as particularly scummy).

Given the size of this game, I expect that it's standard town v. mafia, with maybe a survivor or fool role as the only third parties.

Anyway, as it is day 1 and we have the no lynch option, we have three options for today.

1. We lynch a player who has been proven to be a hinderence to the town because of inactivity or ineffectiveness in the end game. This as some benefits as we have a chance of reducing mafia KP while sacrificing little. The least overall risk.

2. We don't lynch anyone. The option with the least immediate risk, we don't reduce town's numbers but we leave in some potential mafia and ineffective players who will hinder us towards the end of the game.

3. Yolo, and try to take out the strongest mafia possible. Most risky of the options. We lynch a player both strong (or mediocre) as town and mafia. We potentially lose a lot of value for the town but we have the potentially to kill strong scum. I've only seen this work in the most recent mafia. Extremely high risk, and I don't recommend it.

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Anyway, two people i'd like to push forward for lynching today

Crys
Used to be Crystal, posts tend to lack substance unless propelled by being a lynch candidate. Weak gameplay in general

Ashtot
Potentially strong town, but is known for games with weak townplay and jokes.

Keep in mind that I haven't played tbt mafia in almost a year so things have probably changed quite a bit

So, Dolby. Looks as though your first post got you killed, mate. You got the ball rolling for sure, but why do all of your options include random/no lynch? How about, y?know, scum hunting? Were you expecting everyone to just jump on your meta bandwagon? This whole post is completely useless under the guise of being useful. I especially like the clause at the end. ?I haven?t played in a while, so excuse all my slip-ups please!?

@Dad
Not all my post was used to bait people, just option number 3 on my list. I'm serious with the proposal of no lynching (although it's not really the best option I agree, but on day 1 there really aren't any good things to do, and random lynching would give us more information for day 2). As for the Ashtot and Crys suspicions, they we're just a attempt to get the game started (because my post was the only serious post in the game at that point, so I had only meta to go off of) as I only had past experience to go off of at that point. I started to be serious with the prospect of an Ashtot lynch because he was just spamming before I went offline, which isn't suspicious in itself, but it tends to lead to him having poor gameplay and just being a distraction towards the endgame (I shot him for that in bird mafia 2), I'm glad that he's taking this game somewhat seriously now.

So posting to get the game going.

At this point, if I had to vote for someone, I would probably vote for one of the non-posters or pillow bunny because of their short, mostly non-contributive posts, getting a few scum vibes from Crys, the mafia would want to try to lynch a strong player who'll be protected early on.

Decent defence, but ugh ugh ugh. Random/no lynching when scum hunting is an option is just no.

@Dad, when I left my third post I was counting Tom with the non-posters because he had only posted once before (the questions that Endless posted) and I kind of forgot that he had posted. I'm getting red flags from Tom and pillow bunny for their yolo votes, I'm getting town reads EnderWiggen, and SarasaKat. I'm leaning town towards Dad, and neutral towards Endless, and crys. Runeraider i'm getting third party reads from. Everyone else I don't have enough to go from because they've posted once or less. I don't have much time because Ap bio and calculus, so sorry for short post.

Thanks for the reads, but you still haven?t really made a proper case for anyone. You?ve just been throwing out names.

I?d prefer to vote for Crystal, since I think the case on her is much stronger than the case for Dolby, but I think the case on Dolby is good enough to support a lynch for him, and it looks like that's the way the lynch is going to go, so that?s who my vote is going to.

 

[illunie]

Rune, you saying you would vote them but don't want it to look like you're bussing is kinda pointless, since your words indicate a strong suspicion in themselves. Why would making it look like you're not bussing be of concern to you? Also, I'm assuming you think that his defense was good enough for you, yes? Can you explain why it's adequate in your book? I'm curious to as how you line up his logic with his actions.

I just don't think that Dolby is the best vote possible. Looking like I'm bussing isn't my concern, I'm more worried that we're lynching an active player who's actually doing thing instead of a player who has done basically nothing. (or an inactive) I would personally rather have pillow bunny lynched (mostly on meta but it seems to be happening again) since they keep posting confusing posts with weird fosses.

And while I'm not saying that his defence is the best, it looks like more of a confused town than a mafia caught in a lie to me. Plus, I don't really think that a no lynch is a bad idea (if we have no idea and need to not hit a pr) so I'm not even sure he was wrong in the first place. Well, ok, there was that baiting thing, but that could have actually been his intention. While I wouldn't be surprised if he flipped mafia, if I had to choose I would guess that he's a bad town. I guess my opinion doesn't matter at this point, but still.

 

[Arstotzkan]

I just don't think that Dolby is the best vote possible. Looking like I'm bussing isn't my concern, I'm more worried that we're lynching an active player who's actually doing thing instead of a player who has done basically nothing. (or an inactive) I would personally rather have pillow bunny lynched (mostly on meta but it seems to be happening again) since they keep posting confusing posts with weird fosses.

And while I'm not saying that his defence is the best, it looks like more of a confused town than a mafia caught in a lie to me. Plus, I don't really think that a no lynch is a bad idea (if we have no idea and need to not hit a pr) so I'm not even sure he was wrong in the first place. Well, ok, there was that baiting thing, but that could have actually been his intention. While I wouldn't be surprised if he flipped mafia, if I had to choose I would guess that he's a bad town. I guess my opinion doesn't matter at this point, but still.

I was talking about you bussing PB.

Now to read back a little bit.

 

[pillow bunny]

@rune please just stop, you literally only want to lynch me because I soft FOS'd you

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and he doesn't want dolby to die because he'll look scummy regardless of dolby's alignment

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@justice i used this

 

[Forek]

So i guess we are going on the dolby lynch, his case is pretty strong so i guess its good. He is really scummy this game. But if this lynch is a ML, i think we should lynch Rune tomorrow because he is right below dolby in scummyness. His posts seem awfully fake and he keeps jumping around. Placing my vote for dolby.

 

[EnderWiggin]

Candidates for tomorrow should straight up include Ashtot. No reason to let his "But it could be horribad town" wishy washy go ignored.

 

[illunie]

@rune please just stop, you literally only want to lynch me because I soft FOS'd you

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and he doesn't want dolby to die because he'll look scummy regardless of dolby's alignment

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@justice i used this

Nah, I want to lynch you because of meta.
Like I've said.
A lot.

When did you fos me again?

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Can I be town leader if Dolby is town?

 

[EnderWiggin]

Can I be town leader if Dolby is town?

No.

 

[Forek]

Nah, I want to lynch you because of meta.
Like I've said.
A lot.

When did you fos me again?

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Can I be town leader if Dolby is town?

Hahhhahah no.