Mafia Squeaky Clean Mafia - Day 3 - Ends Monday May 25 at 7pm EST

[Damniel]

i ISO’d mayorleaf’s posts last night and i think i can safely say that i don’t think she’s teamed with bianca atm. i’ll post the whole ISO when i fully wake up and finish it

bells new posts just contribute more to the “this doesn’t make me think they’re town really but i can rationalize this as either alignment”. i don’t think i’d want to lynch them today but it’s noted that they’re continuing to not initiate anything new and tbh if they were to die and flip red now, there wouldn’t be much to track bc they don’t interact with many people at all. but the “if they’re scum i could see them doing this” isn’t that strong of a case as it is for bianca atm

noted at geo is also uncomfortable with the lack of a counter wagon but implores the rest of us to make one instead of doing it himself. he’s actually started both the kat and bianca wagon but doesnt engage with them like the rest of us have and hasn’t brought up cases for counter wagons. if you’re so uncomfortable with it why don’t you bring one up instead of just naming other sus people and not confronting them onto why. hmmmm :thinkinglemon:

also @Geoni bianca was scum in my franchise wars mafia

i reexamined epona and trundle. after rethinking them epona comes out as my strongest town read atm, i’m trying to imagine them as scum but i really don’t see it tbh. i realize that my town read on trundle isn’t as strong as i thought so i’ll pursue that later if i have time today. don’t know about lynching him today though

still not against bianca but i’d consider a geo or teddy lynch

 

[Ace Marvel]

This was a slow cycle. Is this normal gameplay?

Post automatically merged: May 22, 2020

i ISO’d mayorleaf’s posts last night and i think i can safely say that i don’t think she’s teamed with bianca atm. i’ll post the whole ISO when i fully wake up and finish it

bells new posts just contribute more to the “this doesn’t make me think they’re town really but i can rationalize this as either alignment”. i don’t think i’d want to lynch them today but it’s noted that they’re continuing to not initiate anything new and tbh if they were to die and flip red now, there wouldn’t be much to track bc they don’t interact with many people at all. but the “if they’re scum i could see them doing this” isn’t that strong of a case as it is for bianca atm

noted at geo is also uncomfortable with the lack of a counter wagon but implores the rest of us to make one instead of doing it himself. he’s actually started both the kat and bianca wagon but doesnt engage with them like the rest of us have and hasn’t brought up cases for counter wagons. if you’re so uncomfortable with it why don’t you bring one up instead of just naming other sus people and not confronting them onto why. hmmmm :thinkinglemon:

also @Geoni bianca was scum in my franchise wars mafia

i reexamined epona and trundle. after rethinking them epona comes out as my strongest town read atm, i’m trying to imagine them as scum but i really don’t see it tbh. i realize that my town read on trundle isn’t as strong as i thought so i’ll pursue that later if i have time today. don’t know about lynching him today though

still not against bianca but i’d consider a geo or teddy lynch

Why me? legit question?

 

[Biancasbotique]

of course it's slow @Teddy..I am guess that since I am up for being lynched, mafia is just too happy with the way things are..so yeah i dont think they will show up until EOD tonight and hammer me...

 

[Damniel]

This was a slow cycle. Is this normal gameplay?

Post automatically merged: May 22, 2020

Why me? legit question?

if it’s slow then bring cases up. you’re not being convincing enough about susses on mayor leaf or me

you’re reads aren’t really that strong. and you usually don’t explain them in depth unless pressed by people like bell to, you post a lot of filler, and i really don’t like how it seems that you’re blue sniping. ive tried to rationalize all these things as town teddy and while i can do that, it’s much easy for me to explain things as scum teddy tbh. but i don’t think you’re teamed with bianca since the interaction between you too didn’t seem faked

Post automatically merged: May 22, 2020

of course it's slow @Teddy..I am guess that since I am up for being lynched, mafia is just too happy with the way things are..so yeah i dont think they will show up until EOD tonight and hammer me...

bianca please post a tier list of your current reads

 

[Biancasbotique]

ok ok! Ill try my reads now...just give me a few sec on my impression of the reamining players

 

[Damniel]

if bianca is scum she most likely isn’t teamed with teddy or mayor leaf. if a scum team was aware that kat wasn’t flipping, i don’t know why both memebers wouldn’t take advantage of it and have at least one of them hide in the kat wagon if it’s bianca and mayor leaf. it seems pointless if they both just voted against the wagon. bianca and teddy’s convo on what bianca was trying to “see what you’re seeing” feels like a genuine conversation to me. i doubt they just staged it and it seems possible that’s it’s either town/town or one being maf

Post automatically merged: May 22, 2020

out of my original 3 townleans epona, trundle, and geoni (excluding seroja), i’m most confident about epona, on the fence about trundle and reconsidering it, and seriously in doubt about geo. it seems people are really quick to town read geo (myself included) but why is that the case tbh

if it’s not bianca (her reads and other contributions to today will be important), i don’t find it impossible to imagine a geo and dino/teddy/maybe bell pair. im saying 2 scum because i really think the infector is a stand-alone TP but to hunt for them would just be to lynch any suspicious person so i’ll stick with maf hunting for now

 

[epona]

okay so got some good new this morning irl that i've been waiting for so won't be around for EoD as it's midnight my time and i'm planning on being catatonic drunk by then

SO i'm voting now basically. mayor leaf's downplaying pretty much everything by criticising their own thought process when called out and it's really off to me. she's writing off my logical argument backed up by evidence as being 'manipulative' to try and deflect how flimsy it makes her look, and then jumping on the next plausible wagon (bianca) instead. i'm fine with bianca being lynched today but at the same time there's nothing in her posts that makes her seem anything other than wildly incoherent to me. i don't really understand her playstyle in general so i'm finding it difficult to pin her as scum because there's not really anything to analyse. i find mayor leaf's self-contradictions and backtracking more scummy than bianca's overall lack of usable content, so i'm voting for mayor leaf on that basis

i don't feel comfortable jumping on the bianca wagon this early when i won't be here at EoD and i have more pressing reasons to suspect somebody else, so ya

 

[Damniel]

@Teddy345 if you could explain each of your reads that would be helpful since you haven’t really explained them since D1

and yes i will be posting my own updated reads before EoD

 

[Biancasbotique]

1. Trundle-- where is he? he only showed up to interact with Mayorleaf and that's it. Throughout day talk, he is no show- so I am thinking he could be scum just laying low. Null with scum lean
2. epona- Epona and Mayorleaf's interactions are just bleh. I tend to look at people who try to deduce the mechanism of the game , and she and Damniel and to some extent Teddy are trying to figure it out. Null with slight town lean
3. dinotown- OMGSus me so I don't really have an opinion on that. Null.
4. bell accont- whenever I post, he comes back with something to say about me being scummy. Doesn't make reads..He just said he knows he is being targeted. I believe he will say I am scummy just for the fact that I made this list. I bet.. I am OMGSUS on this one and say he is scum
5. mayor leaf-again Epona and Mayorleaf's interactions are bleh. She seems just to just read for the sake of it. She even admitted that she doesn't even know what she is talking about. Null with slight town lean
6. voltairenism Damniel- Everybody already knows my bias about Daniel. He appears towny to me all the time with the pro activity, with the questioning, and all the inquiry. He is trying to solve the game with others. So he is the highest townread I have..
7. geoni- Geoni comes. Geoni goes. I am used to his wallpost. Completely detached from the game. Seemingly random in inquiries and always asking to ISO this and that. I've never seen him as lazy as this. Knowing that Geoni is always up for lynch when he makes those wall post could be a careful strategy not get him lynched. I am wary of this one Scumlean
8. Antonio- Antonio, I really felt his frustration when he is trying to solve the game only to be reminded of his past game. Antonio acts like this, but the way he interacted as a whole, he was helping town.
9. Teddy345- Teddy is very cautious,I must say. He is a newbie in here but he said he play wolves so he knows the mechanism somewhat. Like Geoni, could he be trying to lay low as to avoid getting lynched. But I am biased towards Teddy and I tend to townlean him so I will say town with a dash of scum sus.

 

[Geoni]

noted at geo is also uncomfortable with the lack of a counter wagon but implores the rest of us to make one instead of doing it himself. he’s actually started both the kat and bianca wagon but doesnt engage with them like the rest of us have and hasn’t brought up cases for counter wagons. if you’re so uncomfortable with it why don’t you bring one up instead of just naming other sus people and not confronting them onto why. hmmmm :thinkinglemon:

also @Geoni bianca was scum in my franchise wars mafia

still not against bianca but i’d consider a geo or teddy lynch

Pretty sudden turn just as I'm about to go to bed and be gone until EoD, I've engaged many people throughout the thread and built upon my pool and come to the conclusion that I had a pretty solid PoE going as of N1 and it hasn't gotten any less clear but you saying you'd lynch myself or Teddy right now is...a choice. I'll look into that game because as it stands Bianca is having no real naysayers.

Post automatically merged: May 22, 2020

1. Trundle-- where is he? he only showed up to interact with Mayorleaf and that's it. Throughout day talk, he is no show- so I am thinking he could be scum just laying low. Null with scum lean
2. epona- Epona and Mayorleaf's interactions are just bleh. I tend to look at people who try to deduce the mechanism of the game , and she and Damniel and to some extent Teddy are trying to figure it out. Null with slight town lean
3. dinotown- OMGSus me so I don't really have an opinion on that. Null.
4. bell accont- whenever I post, he comes back with something to say about me being scummy. Doesn't make reads..He just said he knows he is being targeted. I believe he will say I am scummy just for the fact that I made this list. I bet.. I am OMGSUS on this one and say he is scum
5. mayor leaf-again Epona and Mayorleaf's interactions are bleh. She seems just to just read for the sake of it. She even admitted that she doesn't even know what she is talking about. Null with slight town lean
6. voltairenism Damniel- Everybody already knows my bias about Daniel. He appears towny to me all the time with the pro activity, with the questioning, and all the inquiry. He is trying to solve the game with others. So he is the highest townread I have..
7. geoni- Geoni comes. Geoni goes. I am used to his wallpost. Completely detached from the game. Seemingly random in inquiries and always asking to ISO this and that. I've never seen him as lazy as this. Knowing that Geoni is always up for lynch when he makes those wall post could be a careful strategy not get him lynched. I am wary of this one Scumlean
8. Antonio- Antonio, I really felt his frustration when he is trying to solve the game only to be reminded of his past game. Antonio acts like this, but the way he interacted as a whole, he was helping town.
9. Teddy345- Teddy is very cautious,I must say. He is a newbie in here but he said he play wolves so he knows the mechanism somewhat. Like Geoni, could he be trying to lay low as to avoid getting lynched. But I am biased towards Teddy and I tend to townlean him so I will say town with a dash of scum sus.

THE EXACT SAME ISSUE AS THE FIRST ONE

 

[Biancasbotique]

Pretty sudden turn just as I'm about to go to bed and be gone until EoD, I've engaged many people throughout the thread and built upon my pool and come to the conclusion that I had a pretty solid PoE going as of N1 and it hasn't gotten any less clear but you saying you'd lynch myself or Teddy right now is...a choice. I'll look into that game because as it stands Bianca is having no real naysayers.

Post automatically merged: May 22, 2020

THE EXACT SAME ISSUE AS THE FIRST ONE

what do you mean by that?

 

[Geoni]

@Biancasbotique

What are 'bleh' about the interactions between mayor and epona? Why is Dino still null for you? Why did you repeat the same sentence for two people? It can't get any more manufacured than this. Your read on me is that I'm sus for having a schedule different than others and because I've made 'wallposts' (which are mostly postmerging), how is Teddy laying low? Why should your bias be a reason to townlean him currently?

 

[Damniel]

Pretty sudden turn just as I'm about to go to bed and be gone until EoD, I've engaged many people throughout the thread and built upon my pool and come to the conclusion that I had a pretty solid PoE going as of N1 and it hasn't gotten any less clear but you saying you'd lynch myself or Teddy right now is...a choice. I'll look into that game because as it stands Bianca is having no real naysayers.

Post automatically merged: May 22, 2020

THE EXACT SAME ISSUE AS THE FIRST ONE

i didn’t know you’re about to go to bed but i’m awake now lol. yes you engage with people but i’m not getting the sense that you have a plan by questioning everyone. tbh it’s starting to feel that you just question to question. i see you have reads but you didn’t explain the reads post you posted before EoN when asked. but yea my big thing is that you haven’t been pushing much people besides affirming the bianca lynch today. i’d like to hear why you don’t trust the players you said you don’t and if bianca is scum who is she teamed with. you say you’re starting to doubt bianca if she’s the only wagon (i feel that) but who should we vote for them if that’s the case

 

[Geoni]

i didn’t know you’re about to go to bed but i’m awake now lol. yes you engage with people but i’m not getting the sense that you have a plan by questioning everyone. tbh it’s starting to feel that you just question to question. i see you have reads but you didn’t explain the reads post you posted before EoN when asked. but yea my big thing is that you haven’t been pushing much people besides affirming the bianca lynch today. i’d like to hear why you don’t trust the players you said you don’t and if bianca is scum who is she teamed with. you say you’re starting to doubt bianca if she’s the only wagon (i feel that) but who should we vote for them if that’s the case

I'm mostly playing by reading into the way in which people approach making a read or a point about another player because it gives me more insight onto whether or not somebody is playing their own game and solving or has an agenda and when it comes to Bianca, if she's scum, I'm really needing there to not be a janitor action yet again because I think if she has partners the only way we'll know about it if few people are truly defending her is if we see a push to get someone lynched over her and fail at it.

 

[Damniel]

when it comes to Bianca, if she's scum, I'm really needing there to not be a janitor action yet again because I think if she has partners the only way we'll know about it if few people are truly defending her is if we see a push to get someone lynched over her and fail at it.

do you think the janitor could be more than one shot? idk doesn’t seem that fair to me if we don’t get flips for any of these lunches

at this moment, who do you think bianca could be partnered with? i’m trying to worldbuild with bianca but it doesnt seem like she could partnered with mayorleaf, you, or teddy. i could see her with dino or bell though. i get that the flip will affirm who would’ve been defending /bussing/avoiding her but if you’re good with lynching bianca today then who’s her partners

 

[Geoni]

do you think the janitor could be more than one shot? idk doesn’t seem that fair to me if we don’t get flips for any of these lunches

at this moment, who do you think bianca could be partnered with? i’m trying to worldbuild with bianca but it doesnt seem like she could partnered with mayorleaf, you, or teddy. i could see her with dino or bell though. i get that the flip will affirm who would’ve been defending /bussing/avoiding her but if you’re good with lynching bianca today then who’s her partners

I think Dino is viable as a partner more than epona but epona is currently turning on Mayor despite some Bianca sus and bell seemed to be okay with voting Bianca earlier on so it'll depend on where he stands with it

 

[Damniel]

I think Dino is viable as a partner more than epona but epona is currently turning on Mayor despite some Bianca sus and bell seemed to be okay with voting Bianca earlier on so it'll depend on where he stands with it

do you think should lynch dino and epona then if not bianca? epona says she’s not against bianca but doesn’t want to easily give into her wagon, is that a plus or negative? you’re saying there should be some counter wagons and epona is starting to form one but it’s unclear what you really think of that

 

[Biancasbotique]

@Biancasbotique

What are 'bleh' about the interactions between mayor and epona? Why is Dino still null for you? Why did you repeat the same sentence for two people? It can't get any more manufacured than this. Your read on me is that I'm sus for having a schedule different than others and because I've made 'wallposts' (which are mostly postmerging), how is Teddy laying low? Why should your bias be a reason to townlean him currently?

1) The bleh about mayor and epona and the impression I get is they are going back and forth and back and forth sussing each other and then suddenly Mayorleaf is like, oh ur right, i dont know what I am saying, Looks like two townies just talking and talking...plus they're newbies. I have a soft spot for newbies . I really do not think of them as scummy- especially if they do a lot of posts and trying to engange in the game- unlike bell! I repeat the same sentence because they impress on me the same--trying to be enganging and newbies-

2) Dino is null because she is an OMGSUSer. and OMSUSer to me are nulls. thats my stance anyways period

3) Okay, I guess its fair about your schedule. I don't know your schedule but I am expecting big reads.

4) Teddy laying low by posting random stuff. and semi enganging ...He is a newbie and I love Teddy!

 

[DinoTown]

My vote is placed but I'm wavering a little - Bell is just... messing with my head. Announcing a wish to start a wagon on someone not being heavily considered and then refusing to explain why (or at least being snarky about it then vanishing) doesn't sit right with me, but at the same time, I thought they had lots of mafia experience from other sites so I don't get why they think this would be a good plan if the intention is to NOT look bad? It's not like it can be pinned as newbie mistake either, though (although I don't think even newbies would act like that TBH).

They seem to have this strong sense of what's going on in this game but they aren't sharing it with anyone and I don't see any reason for that other than a sucky playstyle or trying not to overshare. I don't know how far they will have gotten as a player on other forums with that kind of playstyle though.

I want to know exactly how experienced they are but I get the strong feeling they would not tell me.

 

[Geoni]

I'm not reading through all of franchise wars and I can't seem to ISO her and get no results from either the link but in Bianca's scumgame she was brand new in 2017 and seemed to rely on that, asking a lot of questions about things to sort of fill up her activity and bounce questions off other people and I'm not sure the meta is reliable here because it goes so far back.