Mafia TBT Mafia: Attack on Titan - [Game Over/Town Wins]

[Chrystina]

these 48 hr days and 24 hr nights are killing me

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rip i was hoping that wouldve been a post merge

 

[Heyden]

Actually based on yesterdays voting, I'd like to look into Blue, Oath or Kevin

 

[glow]

I'm excited I want a case on me

 

[Chrystina]

Actually based on yesterdays voting, I'd like to look into Blue, Oath or Kevin

these I can actually agree with, but Kevin was already pretty sus of her d2, yet never voted for her so idk.

 

[wild blue yonder]

Why I suspect Aya2order-

Hi my name is Aya and I'm dead inside

1. GMT+7
2. Pretty bad in general/IRL but kinda good in mafia I guess?
3. Town but especially VT
4. Hopefully not on tunneling bad players, please.

Ok I'm gonna eat brunch see you all later

This literally reads like she's unhappy she rolled scum and is trying to fill the void with rainbows. As I've mentioned she's already excusing herself for if she focuses overly on "bad town" and then later ends up with a vote on a new player

Lol either way I'm gonna look scummy, but will do! I want to improve my scumhunting this game

Esp considering the stated preference for being town the self consciousness is not a good look unless she like gets lynched every game

Isn't that because in Xeno, the players had xine who was known for her good posts and thus the players just sheeped according to her reads? While I didn't read the game thoroughly that time, I'm guessing xine saw your reads and redirected town away from their scummates, something Tom similarly did in GoT when my will mentioned 3 scum names (including his)

I was a bit wary that you said you'll be trolling to change your meta, as that would give you a pass to not contribute because "I'm changing my meta!!", but this post shows you're still capable of good posts so I'll leave you to that.

Have mentioned this before but the post this is replying to is not one of entropy's better posts and so this really reads like appeasing her and like the initial suspicion of entropy was contrived

Okay gave the thread a quick read and I'm not sure who to vote for exactly.


I agree with entropy though that Trundle tends to be act like a self-appointed town leader when he's scum, or trying to seem helpful by giving directions to PR. I can't pull off examples of this behavior now though bc not enough time, but yeah I don't think I'll vote on him


I don't think Jacob would say this as scum and I feel like he's really just changing his playstyle this game, and his other posts doesn't seem scummy to me. So not voting for him either.

Not voting for Hayden either because he, along with Cory, are my strongest town read. They're both unreserved when posting while iirc they tend to be careful with their approach and replies as scum.

So... not sure who to vote for really.

Surprisingly helpless to take a voting stance despite some in depth questioning (afraid to make waves?)

I apologize in advance for the rushed read, will do a better one after I get a good night sleep.

Cory

I feel like Cory is really just a bad town atm. As evident by his posts, he's pushing Hayden so much to the point where it kind of feels like he has something against him, but I can somewhat understand his frustration as Hayden isn't playing his best. It's a good thing that Cory playing like his town meta (as I mentioned before) because I feel like this is Town vs Town, and anyone who want to lynch them over this argument is taking advantage of the situation​

Alexi

She's giving me the same vibes as Trump where she tries to actively contribute. She voted for Ashtot but I can't find her reasons for it through skimming her post filter beside her putting Ashtot on http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?370687-TBT-Mafia-Attack-on-Titan-Day-Two&p=6581534&viewfull=1#post6581534]her color-coded list?[/url] Please link me if I missed them. I'm waiting for her case on Daniel before looking closely on her.​

Cadbberry

I'm kinda ??? how people are focusing at Cad who's fairly new right now? She didn't vote for Tom which does make her suspicious, her noobslip was awkward because, shouldn't she know that mafia share a QT if she pay attention to the end of the game? She's suspicious to me because of these things, but at the same time there's a chance she's just noob town who made a mistake in her reading/votes, and scum is taking advantage of that :/ I'll see how things goes and if no one else stands out, I'll place my vote on her.

Kevinnn

So my reason for voting Kevinnn was really a reaction test. I thought if I leave him be, he'll stay under the radar so I kept my vote on him to get a reaction. I didn't get the reaction I was expecting, unfortunately. I'm null on him for now, he hasn't posted much for me to decide.​

And at this point I'm too tired so I'll continue tomorrow. I wrote those four first because Alexi, Cad, and Cory seem to stand out and easier to read atm, and Kevinnn was the player I was focused on before D2. I'll start looking closely on other players when I'm not half dead.

Townreads atm are entropy, Hayden, Trundle, Cory, and shiida. The rest will be looked closely later. Good night!​

Kinda awk defense of Cad

Completely avoids talking about Tom despite anchoring a lot of her reads around entropy

Furthermore Cad had her as strong town for most of the game even though they disagree almost entirely on reads (including Cory, Heyden, entropy, Jacob, Trundle, Alexi) and Cad seems really reluctant to give town leans on actual townies in general based on Tom interactions or anything (or at least the people I'm townreading). Cad calls out shiida (not an easy mislynch) and not Aya about voting behavior when I'd think she'd be an easy person to throw shade on

Idk if anyone actually knows if it's notable for Aya to basically only give townreads

I don't think oath has done anything townie so far

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I guess she gave scumreads on Trundle and Jacob briefly but walks them both back really quickly

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But mostly she seems nervous and like she's spewing out townreads because she has perfect information and is having trouble faking scumreads

Input from anyone who has played with her previously would be awesome

I intend to look more at tae and Alexi as well​

 

[wild blue yonder]

I think that my vote timing is a really surface level reason to suspect me

I was the first if not one of the first to voice suspicion of her in this game (D1) and ~N1 said I was sheep voting because no one seemed to care about my Aya and Cadbb and Curry suspicions so it wouldn't be pragmatic to vote

I also felt awkward about pushing that read because of multiple people defending her for meta with zero explanation and by the time I got a better grasp on the game she was already mechanically rly likely scum

I don't know why as scum I wouldn't realize she's going down and make it a focus to look good by voting early.

 

[Heyden]

I think that my vote timing is a really surface level reason to suspect me

I was the first if not one of the first to voice suspicion of her in this game (D1) and ~N1 said I was sheep voting because no one seemed to care about my Aya and Cadbb and Curry suspicions so it wouldn't be pragmatic to vote

I also felt awkward about pushing that read because of multiple people defending her for meta with zero explanation and by the time I got a better grasp on the game she was already mechanically rly likely scum

I don't know why as scum I wouldn't realize she's going down and make it a focus to look good by voting early.

I was just reaction testing Alexi, and she was pretty reluctant about Kevin... hmm

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Well not just her, you as well but idk what to think about your response, you were pretty defensive first off as well

 

[wild blue yonder]

I have strong feelings about her flipping scum. I both feel happy that my initial read on her was right and mad myself for not being more confident about it and I've been thinking a lot tonight/writing in my will about to what extent that makes the people that broke my confidence in the read more likely mafia and to what extent I am just kinda bat****

So you kinda hit a nerve

Also I was like wtf have you read any of my posts

 

[Chrystina]

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But mostly she seems nervous and like she's spewing out townreads because she has perfect information and is having trouble faking scumreads

Input from anyone who has played with her previously would be awesome

I intend to look more at tae and Alexi as well

I mean I've only played 1 game (this being 2) games with Ayaya so I had to go back on some of her past games but just incase & you have the time, there's a site that links everyones player history

http://tbtmafia.wikia.com/wiki/Ayaya
or you could do http://tbtmafia.wikia.com/wiki/oath2order

I have strong feelings about her flipping scum. I both feel happy that my initial read on her was right and mad myself for not being more confident about it and I've been thinking a lot tonight/writing in my will about to what extent that makes the people that broke my confidence in the read more likely mafia and to what extent I am just kinda bat****

So you kinda hit a nerve

Also I was like wtf have you read any of my posts

honestly it seems like some people just aren't doing that this game.


@hayden: how is that a reaction test though? like i'm reluctant about kevinnn cause i rly don't think he would have been one of the first ones sus of her, but he didn't vote right away so it's like he was waiting to see how everyone else thought about it. idk i've been half town leaning, half sus reading him this whole game rly.

 

[Miharu]

Well, it still is possible(as Sataric stated) that they are both scum and Cadbberry wasn't shot at all. But I think that Cad was working to save her own skin here because if she lied about the protection, after a Tardis vig flip, she'd be confirmed to be lying and anti-town

Pretty sure most of us are sus of taesaek as of right now.
not to mention he was the only one who didn't vote for cadbberry

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If it doesn't make sense, what do you make of tae right now? Claiming vig to maybe get a lynch on tardis and then claim to shoot someone he already knew would die?

I also didn't vote for Cad in the end ; c ;

I see tae as suspicious right now. I was comparing Cad's will, and seeing as how Cad was playing this game, I don't think she'll want to endanger any of her team mates. That shows from when she was trying to save Tom last minute by saying she thought he was using his town meta/etc even though no one else agreed with her. Despite the risk that made by making her look more suspicious, she still did it in a last attempt to save Tom. Since tae is town leaned on both her will and last read, that makes me the most suspicious of them. As you've pointed out, it's definitely suspicious for mafia and tae to shoot the exact same person (unless tae is mafia himself). There's a chance they could have used it to frame tae, but if that's the case, why would they waste a kill on someone who's already going to die (Ashtot)?

Also what Curry pointed out, I definitely agree with and this quote looks like a last ditch attempt to save Tom as well. Honestly, this quote never picked up my radar because I didn't know what the entire content of that meant xD After playing the game for a while I figured out what sheeping was ahahaha!!

i'm having flashbacks to tarot when town sheeped onto a cory bw lead by scumboy ness while cory was AWAY and unable to defend himself.

Also is it normal for people with blue roles to not shoot when they have a chance to?

mikasa, and no i didn't shoot N1.

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On a side note, I have work today from 9am to 5pm, so I probably won't be on until then. I'll definitely check in to read whatever I missed or making make some inputs during my lunch break/break though!! cx As for my reads, I think I'll refrain from posting it and leave it in my will. If I don't get sniped, as always, I'll post my will. c:

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@Dolby
whoops forgot to reply back up there to your quote XD
And I see what you mean mean now. xD Thanks!

 

[Chrystina]

I also didn't vote for Cad in the end ; c ;

I see tae as suspicious right now. I was comparing Cad's will, and seeing as how Cad was playing this game, I don't think she'll want to endanger any of her team mates. That shows from when she was trying to save Tom last minute by saying she thought he was using his town meta/etc even though no one else agreed with her. Despite the risk that made by making her look more suspicious, she still did it in a last attempt to save Tom. Since tae is town leaned on both her will and last read, that makes me the most suspicious of them. As you've pointed out, it's definitely suspicious for mafia and tae to shoot the exact same person (unless tae is mafia himself). There's a chance they could have used it to frame tae, but if that's the case, why would they waste a kill on someone who's already going to die (Ashtot)?

Also what Curry pointed out, I definitely agree with and this quote looks like a last ditch attempt to save Tom as well. Honestly, this quote never picked up my radar because I didn't know what the entire content of that meant xD After playing the game for a while I figured out what sheeping was ahahaha!!



Also is it normal for people with blue roles to not shoot when they have a chance to?

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On a side note, I have work today from 9am to 5pm, so I probably won't be on until then. I'll definitely check in to read whatever I missed or making make some inputs during my lunch break/break though!! cx As for my reads, I think I'll refrain from posting it and leave it in my will. If I don't get sniped, as always, I'll post my will. c:

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@Dolby
whoops forgot to reply back up there to your quote XD
And I see what you mean mean now. xD Thanks!

In answer to the bold - vig's typically shouldn't shoot day 1 as everyones reads are kinda all over the place and it's likely they'll just shoot an innocent townie. Reads become way more telling day 2 (sometimes) and on. but since they had both claimed, it only made sense to prove their claims then on that upcoming night.

Also, since we asked both vig's to claim who they shot 2 mins before day post was up, mafia couldn't have known who tae targeted, hence they wouldn't been able to frame him. I mean, tardis was making it pretty obvious who he was gonna shoot but tae has kind of been a "wild card" as he called himself in this post here.

i've been less spammy and less sarcastic than my previous games, d1 is always slow and i never know where to take it but i've found that in other games i tend to wait around for others to make a read and then i elaborate my ideas from then out. i'm trying to break that habit because it's bad to rely on others for their opinions first before stating my own. so i guess you can say i'm not "following my town meta" but i don't even have a mafia meta so i guess i'm your wild card for now.

by "poorly reacting town" are you inferring that i'm mafia and i'm doing poorly at pretending to be town or do you mean that i just sound like bad and or dumb town? please specify i don't want to jump to a conclusion.

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look at everyone SWINGING AWAY FROM A TRUNDLE LYNCH LOOK AT ALL OF THEM JUST JUMPING OFF AND AWAY AT IT BC SOMEONE CALLED LIL TAE A BIT SCUMMY.


note it town. n o t e it in case i actually do get lynched.

dolby
kat

 

[oath2order]

Smoke weed erry day

 

[piichinu]

So if I die lynch tae unless new info comes to light thx

 

[wild blue yonder]

I guess a problem I have with seeing tae as scum is that his claim seems disadvantageous to me even if it was given to him as a fakeclaim because ultimately even if it gets Tardis mislynched it's going to look weird for tae when he can't prove the KP, when I think as scum he could have skated for longer without doing so? It's risky at best for what would be first time scum

That being said Crys (who mafia killed right after) initially thought TARDIS's claim was more believable than tae's and seemed to think it was super unlikely for both to be town, wish I knew why

Also I guess him being vig could explain why he kept talking about not wanting to be misvigged, and I feel like the Ramadan read on Aya is more townie (scum deciding to say that feels strange to me)

this is kind of a shot int he dark but if you think the maf team is pretty weak, can i ask how everyone feels about cad?
she didn't swing her vote, jacob pushed her a **** ton D1, and if mafia is inexperienced than i find it highly likely that cad might be potential maf.

This is p like formal and seems offset from how he goes abt other reads

idk cad doesn't sound like her usual self in this game. and i can't pinpoint why.

it's not her tone it's her wording maybe, or her sentence structure. something seems off.
maybe dolby was on point with the "filtering" herself thing.

@cad what are your views on the kills from last night?
where do you stand? are you sus of anyone?

This one is interesting because I think he doesn't really prod anyone else for stances, but after it a lot of his posts are dedicated to burying her -

It is indeed random that he's her top town (in the read list in response to him at least I can see why she'd do it to appease him but that read staying after the vig situation is more strange; she still has him as townier than Tardis even when Tardis is conf town to her) and it's too bad she didn't explain her town reads more.

are you town leaning her bc you think shes legit town or bc meow stated she's townlocked miharu?

sataric, ayaya, and ashtot were the three town leans that subbed me the weird way last night. I'll
elaborate more when I'm not on mobile + when I'm caught up.

nice 180 cad. "no i highly doubt it."

'tardis is lying omg '

"actually it's possible"

wow you got kinda emotional there cad.

My read on him is mixed. I don't really know why he strongly suspects Trundle (relatedly, I just read a Cad post calling Trundle's investigation on Dolby "very weird" and seeing how she approached Tom I think she has every reason to keep hammering in that a JOAT partnered with her is obv townie). Him jester hunting for a lot of d1 and his scum reads not being that clear aren't the best look either

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I thought I would get shot down partly because of my own fear of bad reads (yay wifom), and that entropy was such a strongly town read player that no one would even bother listening. Thankfully people have at least read it and considered the possibilities.

The godfather experience thing was really just a theory through process of elimination. If the people I listed originally listed fit in to their respective roles assuming I had hit the nail on the head, the likelyhood of a balanced team to me would be two newer players, two experienced ones and someone in the middle. Tom is very experienced, entropy is very experienced, Cad is newer of a player so that checks newer one, and Kevin or tae fit the same kind of mind set that I was thinking for the other fourth member. So a balanced team in my opinion would include someone with the amount of experience I mentioned. Again, Chrys and Oath made the two most likely possibilities for that slot that seemed scummy to me already. Maybe the roles are mixed up, but I still think that seems like the most promising possibility for a scum team. Now that Cad flipped red it makes me even more confident.

Are roles distributed randomly or flubbed for balance on this site?

For the players you asked about, here's a case on tae:

Already mentioned but the "shooting Ashton" and then disappearing thing I already explained in a previous post.

If people wanna talk about filler posts, fine by me. Tae has 6 pages of posts in this thread and not even half are close to contributive. Let's look at some examples:






And these are all on Day 1, not to even mention Day 2.

One of tae's most important quotes of her lynch candidates on Day 1 were Kat and Trundle. Funny that Kat then ended up dead on Night 1.

Look at Kat's will after her death, she null'd tae but this paragraph of her will:


Tae got pretty aggressive with Kat's jokes/dumb ideas on Day 1 to the point on calling her the Jester, a non-obtainable role in this game. It wouldn't surprise me if tae got frustrated with Kat, knew Kat was a very good player and didn't want her to catch on to the team so they took her out early as a diversion kill to throw us off track like I said initially at the end of Night 1/start of Day 2. The experienced players on the mafia team could've agreed with this logic knowing how good Kat is, even if she wasn't trying much on Day 1. Tae was very argumentative against Kat on Day 1.


Here tae is defending against a Tom lynch because Tom wasn't here, even though he had multiple times to defend himself, it's not like Tom was never here at all.


I wonder how taesaek would know this (this is about Cad).

So many things point to interactions with people who have flipped red and he also claims to have shot Ashton as a Vig, but I think it was KP, not a Vig shot. I can probably bring up more but it's past 2 AM and I want to sleep.

Kevin I'm not as certain about tbh, like you pointed out I think he may have been genuine and I don't think he would've bussed Cad so early on. That said he had a lot of strange interactions with tae, so I'd like to keep him in mind and see how he reacts to the events since he hasn't posted in a while. These other two I'm more confident in.

entropy I'll elaborate more on tomorrow since it's past 2 AM and I made this tae case. But yes, there's a few quotes that stand out to me a bit.


It reminds me of Xine/a trap.

Your argument about the Kat nightkill is interesting but it seems like it may be ascribing immaturity to him? Like if he's scum I don't think he's actually that annoyed at her and is just posting it to post; maybe he hopes he can get her mislynched for ****posting in his opinion. It's possible a team with him on it would be more likely to kill her just because he was very, like, aware of her but I find it WIFOMy and not particularly more likely than other explanations (they thought she was a PR for lurking and/or she had good suspicions - Crys thought her death made Cad and Alexi look worse).

He is really cheeky about cad after a certain point, e.g. in that quote. Dunno how I feel about it.

I like your point about his Tom read + iso as a whole, and the one about the Ashtot kill situation makes some sense even if I'm not sure I agree.

 

[Curry]

@Wild: I've never hosted so I can't say for sure, but to my knowledge they are randomed not balanced. However, call it instinct or what have you, but Tom flipping red as an experienced player and Cad flipping red as an experienced player makes me think there's still a coach on the scum team, someone being coached as new scum (tae), and someone in the middle.

See the thing about a Vig claim is, while yes it's testable, it's a perfectly fine blue safe claim for mafia. Why? Because sure you may be required to name who you shot prior to day post, but when day post shows up and that person is dead and mafia safe claim vig can act shocked that "their kill overlapped." As long as no one counter claims you, Vig is a very easy safe claim for mafia imo.

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Cad should say flipping red as an inexperienced player.

 

[Kirbystarship]

I'm excited I want a case on me

I'll show why I'm sus on you if you are still alive on D4

 

[glow]

I'll show why I'm sus on you if you are still alive on D4

since when r u sus of me

 

[Kirbystarship]

since when r u sus of me

I'm starting to get sus of you because you lead a lynch on to strongman and you still haven't died. This is reminding me of Xine when she was mafia.

 

[Curry]

If someone is healed but not attacked, do they receive a notification that they were healed? (hope that's the right color)

 

[Dolby]

If someone is healed but not attacked, do they receive a notification that they were healed? (hope that's the right color)

Nope