Mafia TBT Mafia III: The Murder Before Christmas [Game Over/Town Win]

Just spent a good amount of time looking over post history from past games for the relevant people in the lurker list.

Thunder - Appeared to be rather more invested in Day 1 last game. Don't know if he was just busy this time, especially since he didn't vote. Complained about there being too many posts, same as last game - consistent play here.

Klinkguin - I erroneously stated that he didn't vote. His vote doesn't give much information - it took place when Trundle was already leading by a good margin. Not giving a reason is annoying. Could be scum just jumping on the easy vote. Equally could be disinterested townie wagoning.

lynn105 - Game 2 as a detective, 10 posts up until she died on Night 2. Also apppeared to be more invested in the election in that game. Now look at Game 1 where she was scum. A grand total of 9 posts, even though she lived until Day 5. Her posting in game 1 was also filled with uncertainty: "Who to vote for...? ;A;" "But I have no idea on what to post about ;~;" , with the overuse of these smilies ;A; and ;~;. In game 2, I saw none of that whatsoever. And here in game 3, I don't see any of that either. Either she's cleaned up her posting overall, or she is a lot more confident when she's innocent.

Farobi - Made many more posts during the elections last game, including similar style of candidate analysis to this game. Not sure why he only posted once, but he doesn't stick out to me as Mafia.

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I'm personally content to lynch Klinkguin, unless he or anyone else wants to come out and say why not.
 
Sorry for being late! Congrats on karla and Trundle being elected!
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Karla: No objections really with Klinkguin. To be honest, I don't think he cares about the game. Like you said, I can't see Farobi as Mafia. Lynn is someone we should watch, especially her future posts. Anyway, it's not like we have any evidence against Klinkguin with his one post.
 
Just spent a good amount of time looking over post history from past games for the relevant people in the lurker list.

Thunder - Appeared to be rather more invested in Day 1 last game. Don't know if he was just busy this time, especially since he didn't vote. Complained about there being too many posts, same as last game - consistent play here.

Klinkguin - I erroneously stated that he didn't vote. His vote doesn't give much information - it took place when Trundle was already leading by a good margin. Not giving a reason is annoying. Could be scum just jumping on the easy vote. Equally could be disinterested townie wagoning.

lynn105 - Game 2 as a detective, 10 posts up until she died on Night 2. Also apppeared to be more invested in the election in that game. Now look at Game 1 where she was scum. A grand total of 9 posts, even though she lived until Day 5. Her posting in game 1 was also filled with uncertainty: "Who to vote for...? ;A;" "But I have no idea on what to post about ;~;" , with the overuse of these smilies ;A; and ;~;. In game 2, I saw none of that whatsoever. And here in game 3, I don't see any of that either. Either she's cleaned up her posting overall, or she is a lot more confident when she's innocent.

Farobi - Made many more posts during the elections last game, including similar style of candidate analysis to this game. Not sure why he only posted once, but he doesn't stick out to me as Mafia.

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I'm personally content to lynch Klinkguin, unless he or anyone else wants to come out and say why not.

Well, Klinkguin seems like the most scummy person out of the people you chose. Not giving a reason for your vote is a cowardly/scummy thing to do.

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Although, perhaps he just doesn't care about this game...

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Either way, he should be lynched. Inactivity is bad.
 
Can we not go down the path of "Lynch the lurkers lolz!!11!1!1!" again? At least not yet. You guys have seen in the last two games where this gets us. Yes, the lurkers can be mafia, and usually 1-2 of the mafia members are, but it's still a big gamble. We've elected the two players who claim that they can scum hunt. If they're already falling back with suggesting we lynch the lurker, which is exactly what I did last game as scum if I may point it out, then I don't have much confidence in our choice of Mayor/Sheriff.

Besides, with the post requirement in this game, if Klinkguin keeps up with the lurking they will get mod killed anyway without us wasting a lynch.
 
So Trundle and Karla were elected? Congrats!

Justin has a point. If Klinkguin is going to be modkilled for inactivity, we shouldn't use our lynch on him. So, Trundle and Karla, thoughts? You guys will decide if we get a hit or miss.
 
Very good point Justin. Although, I don't think they're lynching him because of lurking, rather, they're lynching him for voting without a reason. This is what I'm assuming, but I'm not the mayor or sheriff here. If inactives are off of the lynch list, who do we have left? I'll leave that to Karla and Trundle to decide.
 
I have to agree with Justin here and refer back to my previous post as well:
LaurinaMN;2058938Last game we made the mistake when our mayor [s said:
leaf[/s] left the town to speak and to go after the innocent. By the time he came back to voice an opinion, he didn't need much to pursue an innocent lynch because the town did it for him. All he needed to do was agree.

I don't really like that Trundle is leaving the decisions up to Karla, speaking this is a lynch he has control over. There's always the chance that Trundle is town and Karla is Mafia and vise versa. If you two are PMing each other about suspicions and odd behavior, I hope you report your exchanges on the thread as well. I'd like to hear from Trundle on where you stand on who you think should be lynched.
 
Very good point Justin. Although, I don't think they're lynching him because of lurking, rather, they're lynching him for voting without a reason. This is what I'm assuming, but I'm not the mayor or sheriff here. If inactives are off of the lynch list, who do we have left? I'll leave that to Karla and Trundle to decide.

Considering they haven't made a single post after the game started apart from the vote, I think it's safe to say lurking is synonymous with lynching without reason in this particular case.
 
Alright, everyone. I just got home and I have an hour and twenty minutes to get some stuff done. I'm going to read through posts, votes, etc, just like I said I would.
Also, once mayor and sheriff are elected, not all everything lies on them. Sure, I have to choose someone to lynch. That doesn't mean I don't want you all analyzing and posting your theories as well! Everyone, get thinking! Read through posts, find weaknesses, strange defenses, odd voting patterns! We want the town to be every part involved in this as everyone else! The game isn't solely up to me!
 
Can we not go down the path of "Lynch the lurkers lolz!!11!1!1!" again? At least not yet. You guys have seen in the last two games where this gets us. Yes, the lurkers can be mafia, and usually 1-2 of the mafia members are, but it's still a big gamble. We've elected the two players who claim that they can scum hunt. If they're already falling back with suggesting we lynch the lurker, which is exactly what I did last game as scum if I may point it out, then I don't have much confidence in our choice of Mayor/Sheriff.

Besides, with the post requirement in this game, if Klinkguin keeps up with the lurking they will get mod killed anyway without us wasting a lynch.

Lynching lurkers was also what you suggested in Game 1 as a Townie:
I think if we're going to have to lynch someone without anything to really go off, we might want to go with someone who isn't posting. Because nobody likes lurkers.
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?108391-TBT-Mafia-Game-Over!&p=1915678#post1915678 (because I can't quote from a locked thread ****)

Are you really going to judge our ability to scum hunt on whether or not we find scum on the first day, especially after the lack of productive posting (which I made a rather angry post about earlier)? This seems to go against your own post here:
... what? How on earth can you be awfully sure? The only players who know anything at this stage of the game are the Mafia, who know their teammates. Without a single night phase yet, you cannot be sure of anyone's status, as a town player. I'm surprised nobody else has pointed this bit out.

Feel free to contribute your best lynch option as well.
 
If they're not planning to lynch lurkers (it was never really a good idea) then allow me to bring this up. I suggested last game that all votes must include a reason, and anyone with no reason/a stupid reason like bandwagoning should be questioned. It's certainly not the best way to find Mafia, but it might help us see who's just new and who's Mafia.
 
Alright, everyone. I just got home and I have an hour and twenty minutes to get some stuff done. I'm going to read through posts, votes, etc, just like I said I would.
Also, once mayor and sheriff are elected, not all everything lies on them. Sure, I have to choose someone to lynch. That doesn't mean I don't want you all analyzing and posting your theories as well! Everyone, get thinking! Read through posts, find weaknesses, strange defenses, odd voting patterns! We want the town to be every part involved in this as everyone else! The game isn't solely up to me!

Blu Rose has a negative feel to his posts, in my opinion. He keeps bringing up lynching him when we said absolutely NOTHING about it. Not only that, but it was the election period, not the mayor decides who to lynch period.
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As for voting patterns, Lynn didn't really say much about her vote, Fireninja and Blu Rose had a placeholder vote.
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These are just obvious observations I have noticed to get people somewhat started.
 
Lynching lurkers was also what you suggested in Game 1 as a Townie:

http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?108391-TBT-Mafia-Game-Over!&p=1915678#post1915678 (because I can't quote from a locked thread ****)

I don't think that always is the best option anymore, we've all improved since the first game.

Are you really going to judge our ability to scum hunt on whether or not we find scum on the first day, especially after the lack of productive posting (which I made a rather angry post about earlier)? This seems to go against your own post here:

If you are as good at this as you claim to be, I have a hard time believing that you can't find anyone better than a lurker who hasn't made a single post to analyse anyway.

And how does that go against my point at all? I never said I was sure of anyone either, nor am I suggesting you should be 100% sure of anyone either. Not following this part.

Feel free to contribute your best lynch option as well.

I'm not sure either. But again, going back to what I just said, you appear to be the best player here, so why is your best option a lurker who hasn't even had posts for you to analyze.
 
I don't think that always is the best option anymore, we've all improved since the first game.

Adding to this, we also didn't have a rule with minimum posts back then. If you voted, you were safe. Now we do, and Klinkguin is likely to die anyway in an hour from now unless he magicially has a change of heart.
 
We have had our fair share of suspicions that didn't concern lurkers, Justin, but we aren't ready to post them yet. If you're so uptight about finding someone who isn't lurking to lynch, I think you should possibly try to contribute instead of waste your time complaining.
 
No, you need to share your suspicions with the rest of the town right here in this thread. You are supposed to help guide and help lead us. Hiding your information is not helping.
 
No, you need to share your suspicions with the rest of the town right here in this thread. You are supposed to help guide and help lead us. Hiding your information is not helping.

I never said I wouldn't share, I said I'm not ready to yet. Stop being such a cottonheadedninnymuggins. I don't really see why you are having such a negative attitude and refusing to help the town. You're really not gaining anything from it at all. I'm going to share my suspicions, just hold on a bit.
 
Adding to this, we also didn't have a rule with minimum posts back then. If you voted, you were safe. Now we do, and Klinkguin is likely to die anyway in an hour from now unless he magicially has a change of heart.

I believe the three post minimum requirement is for every Day/Night Cycle. So it appears Klinkguin, if not lynched, will have another 24 hours to get in one or two posts. We shouldn't let a potential modkill give us justification for not lynching someone. If it were a three post minimum requirement for each day and another three for each night, then it'd be more plausible to go after someone else as he would only have an hour left.
 
We have no leads at all, Trundle. All we can look at are voting patterns and such in the hour we have. I think we should split into groups, each analyze a different part (i.e. one group on voting patterns, another on post behavior, etc.) then report anything strange. Once again, an idea. The Mafia may panic and try to kill us, but if we put our heads together, they can't kill us all.
 
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