Mafia TBT Mafia III: The Murder Before Christmas [Game Over/Town Win]

[Blu Rose]

Here, let me rewrite my statement.

Yeah, looking back, I think I look shady, too... The only reason I am telling everybody to shun me is because my posts so far have been accusations, placed with unreasonable evidence, and, according to Karla, unhelpful and only there to stir up confusion and doubt among the town...

 

[Hikari]

Okay, thanks, Hikari. But, wouldn't anybody be able to do that?

Anyways, the second statement highlighted was replying to someone, who had considered me shady due to my posting behaviour, and I was just trying to defend myself. If you look at the whole sentence, this would prove true. Gee, thanks people editing tags. I feel so loved.

By that I mean, if he knew someone was innocent, he could pardon it. It was part of his plan, I believe.

 

[Chris]

Okay, thanks, Hikari. But, wouldn't anybody be able to do that?

Anyways, the second statement highlighted was replying to someone, who had considered me shady due to my posting behaviour, and I was just trying to defend myself. If you look at the whole sentence, this would prove true.

No, it doesn't. There is no defence: you're just stating what other people (namely Karla) have said about you. You have said nothing to convince us otherwise. Even your re-written post doesn't give a defence.

 

[Horus]

Alright, well if Trundle or Karla turn out to be Mafia, not my fault this time

 

[Elijo]

Alright, well if Trundle or Karla turn out to be Mafia, not my fault this time

It will be partly my fault if Trundle turns out to be Mafia.

Here, let me rewrite my statement.

Yeah, looking back, I think I look shady, too... The only reason I am telling everybody to shun me is because my posts so far have been accusations, placed with unreasonable evidence, and, according to Karla, unhelpful and only there to stir up confusion and doubt among the town...

Blu, the only thing you did was make this text first-person. You're only stating what people are saying about you. This is not defending yourself!

 

[Blu Rose]

Okay, I didn't know I was being accused of anything (except being Mafia, Karla, tags). I don't know how to defend myself except by saying I'm not. I can't provide proof, all I did was post a little too much about my suspicions (making Karla wrongly come to the conclusion I was Mafia), and then have an argument with Karla about it. How does this make me seem Mafia? Please, share the specific posts. I'm more than happy to prove you wrong.

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Rather, try to prove you wrong.

 

[Laurina]

Blue Rose, I'm having a hard time understanding what you were trying to accomplish? All River asked was if we had any suspects right now. There's no reason you should have put yourself in the spotlight like that. It's negative attention. I forgot about the whole Blue Rose vs Karla argument, until you brought it up. I'm not calling you out saying you're being suspicious. It's just something you should avoid doing. If something is buried, let it be buried. If someone else digs it up and attacks you that's when you defend yourself.

 

[Chris]

Okay, I didn't know I was being accused of anything (except being Mafia, Karla, tags). I don't know how to defend myself except by saying I'm not. I can't provide proof, all I did was post a little too much about my suspicions (making Karla wrongly come to the conclusion I was Mafia), and then have an argument with Karla about it. How does this make me seem Mafia? Please, share the specific posts. I'm more than happy to prove you wrong.

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Rather, try to prove you wrong.

I never accused you of being mafia; you've come to that conclusion on your own. All I have done is question your (quite frankly bizarre) behaviour.

 

[KarlaKGB]

Thank you all for electing myself and Trundle, we will serve the Town with distinction.

I'd just like to throw out a list of all of the inactive players since the game started -

Gandalf - one post, nothing useful whatsoever.

Thunder - 3 posts, nothing stands out.

Horus - few (4) posts, rather jokey. Absolves himself of responsibility if scum were elected. Consistent with his play last game as a Townie.

Slaughtershy - 3 posts, again nothing useful.

Klinkguin - has posted nothing. This was his post before the game started:

Aww it starts at 10pm for me? Lol I won't have time to do anything until tommorrow! Sorry guys!

Has not done anything at all, but has definitely been on the forum as late as 12 hours ago today. No vote either.

lynn105 - two posts, one expressing support for me, another expressing support for Laurina. Proceeded to vote for Laurina.

Farobi - one single big post talking about each candidate.

bowserfangurl - only one post, which was more of a technical question to Tom. Voted immediately.

Just throwing this out for now, will do some indepth analysis into each person.

 

[Blu Rose]

Blue Rose, I'm having a hard time understanding what you were trying to accomplish? All River asked was if we had any suspects right now. There's no reason you should have put yourself in the spotlight like that. It's negative attention. I forgot about the whole Blue Rose vs Karla argument, until you brought it up. I'm not calling you out saying you're being suspicious. It's just something you should avoid doing. If something is buried, let it be buried. If someone else digs it up and attacks you that's when you defend yourself.

Well, Tina, it sure seems that way. Anyways, I'm going to try to contribute something, in the midst of my framing. I am trying to defend myself with something that seemingly isn't there. I didn't bring a gun to a gunfight.

I am really sorry if I am wrong, Kippla, but I somewhat suspect you. As was a reason for suspection last game (don't remember how that turned out), you were somewhat defending, or at least trying to take the red spotlight off of, a distraction, in this case me (last time, beary509). This would thus allow Mafia to plan a little more at the very least, while everybody is focusing on the completely innocent distraction.

 

[KarlaKGB]

I should add that the people not voting should not be given too much attention. Tom did mess the timer up, so they may not have realised the deadline was sooner.

 

[Blu Rose]

Also, Tina, I was more asking that question to everybody.

 

[Superpenguin]

Thank you all for electing myself and Trundle, we will serve the Town with distinction.

I'd just like to throw out a list of all of the inactive players since the game started -

Gandalf - one post, nothing useful whatsoever.

Thunder - 3 posts, nothing stands out.

Horus - few (4) posts, rather jokey. Absolves himself of responsibility if scum were elected. Consistent with his play last game as a Townie.

Slaughtershy - 3 posts, again nothing useful.

Klinkguin - has posted nothing. This was his post before the game started:

Has not done anything at all, but has definitely been on the forum as late as 12 hours ago today. No vote either.

lynn105 - two posts, one expressing support for me, another expressing support for Laurina. Proceeded to vote for Laurina.

Farobi - one single big post talking about each candidate.

bowserfangurl - only one post, which was more of a technical question to Tom. Voted immediately.

Just throwing this out for now, will do some indepth analysis into each person.

These people aren't targeted for Day One lynch, though, right? At least not for the sole reason for their inactiveness but for reasons to be revealed in your more in depth analysis, right? Because...

As a Mayor, I will use my Day 1 lynch on the most suspicious person to town. I don't want to use it on a simple inactive.

 

[Horus]

@Karla: Fair enough

Nothing has really changed for me since last game lol. Two players who could be pretty threatening to either side are mayor and sheriff again and just like last time, we have so little to go on that we're going against Blu. Obviously we need a starting point but I don't know, nothing I can really say about him (Or her, soz, have no idea) There's such a pressure to post but there's really nothing for me to post that isn't falsely accusing someone. Mafia haven't even done anything yet so all that's left to judge our lynching on is looking for some sort of pattern or group. Which right now are all the people questioning Blu after each post, in my eyes anyway.

 

[KarlaKGB]

No I'm getting names out there. Although I'm not the Mayor, both Trundle and I want the town to agree on this lynch. Quite frankly, I don't think there are more than one or two Mafia actively posting in this thread right now. Nailing the scum on the first day rarely happens, and games are supposed to be balanced around the assumption that Town misses on the first day.

Me posting my plan had one far larger objective in mind - to get people discussing and contributing. With a setup like the one we have this game, it is impossible to come up with a watertight plan. More than the actual plan itself, it's the planning stage that acts as a useful mechanism to get useful information about people that you would not normally see. More often than not, the main contributors to the plan are innocent. Similarly, the people trying to appear supportive or critical of the plan whilst not making any real contributions to it are guilty. This is what I really wanted to achieve during these past two days.

Unfortunately, people got hung up on the same details, namely how the elected roles cannot be trusted. Despite my attempts to move the discussion along, there was little in the way of real insightful contributions. This really is a disappointment, and we did not extract good value with the day. Because of this, I feel we should go after the lurkers.

 

[Blu Rose]

I am not Mafia. I am a Townie. A good ol' run-of-the-mill Townie who only possesses one active thing: My vote, and analytical powers, which aren't even that good anyways (-_-). Thus, all I am to the town is a distraction. But, I have tried--and horribly failed--to contribute to the town in a way that I saw as harmless, but others saw as harmful. All it took to get people on edge with was this:

I, personally, after a long bout of PMs with another person who I am awfully sure is a Town member (NOT lynn105), that KarlaKGB is Mafia, or at least some kind of other bad thing. S/he (hey, ya never know) is trying to get us all to trust him/her, and keeps on giving believable arguments. Yeah, I read the plan and all, and think it might be beneficial to the Town, but KarlaKGB is just too shady, in my opinion. Go ahead: Toss my suspicions aside. I'm a newb. I just cannot help but feel suspicious.

All I did was share my suspicions, pretty much agreeing with Kippla's! Karla responds:

Are you for real? Especially this part:

"S/he (hey, ya never know) is trying to get us all to trust him/her, and keeps on giving believable arguments"

I want the town's trust and I am giving believable arguments. MOST LOGICAL EXPLANATION = I MUST BE SCUM!!!!!


If you are truly trying to help town by discrediting me, you could be less vague about exactly why you think I'm scum. It also helps if you don't keep pointing out how new and inexperienced you are. This reeks of an uninvested attempt to FOS me. If you truly believe I am anti-town, you would be trying much harder to convince the others.

I try to prevent a war:

Okay, I'm sorry, it wasn't meant to be taken too personally... The one key element you mentioned there is that you want the town's trust... It's a fifty-fifty gamble, but as of the moment, I think it is more 60-40, with Mafia in the lead. I am not extremely sure, but I just wanted to point this out. I point out I am new because I am: I am not trying to steal your position in office, I am just sharing my thoughts. Again, I am sorry if I am horribly wrong, but I was just pointing this out...

I wasn't trying to discredit anybody! I was just trying to point this out and be helpful for once in my life. I'm still not trying to discredit you, Karla, but I personally think that Kippla might be Mafia, although he is hardly mentioned and not even quoted. It's just that, Kippla (I'm sorry, ol' PM buddy) was the one to rise the suspicions, and all I did was relay a suspicion to the thread that we both agreed on. I think Kippla is Mafia because he tried to protect me by blaming others, thus keeping the distraction alive for another day to distract more, allowing Mafia to plan more...

And, on a seperate note, Karla, I agree. But, we have little or no evidence against them... But, as you said, we hardly ever nail down Mafia on the first day, so I say go with it. And, sorry, Karla, for relaying an old topic that you obviously want to be done with.

 

[KarlaKGB]

I'd like to address the Blu Rose issue at this point.

I don't believe he is scum. Yes his play has been incredibly questionable so far. To the point that I straight up accused him. Upon further pressure on him, Kippla spoke up and admitted to being the mystery town player who Blu Rose was messaging. This caused Blu Rose to post part of their exchange.

In addition, I immediately PM'd Blu Rose asking who initiated the conversation between him and Kippla. This led to Blu Rose telling me that he had at one point planned to fakeclaim Mafia (a move that only makes sense from the perspective of a Village Idiot role). At this stage, I really couldn't see Blu Rose as anything more than a bad townie.

And now, Blu Rose makes this strange post where he puts himself back into the spotlight

Yeah, I think Blu Rose looks shady, too... The only reason I think Blu Rose is telling everybody to shun him is because he can his posts so far have been accusations, placed with unreasonable evidence, and, according to Karla, unhelpful and only there to stir up confusion and doubt among the town...

But in no way are they trying to look not suspicious. This, combined with the fact that his Mafia buddies would have given him a severe bollocking and reined him by now makes me place Blu Rose in the town.

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I'd also like to point out that that my post above was made without seeing Blu Rose's post just before it.

 

[Gandalf]

Agree with Horus here. What really has there been on day one to contribute, so far we've seen new players finding their feet amongst constant bickering.

The problem i'm having is the status that people seem to be relating to the mayor and sheriff roles. They don't make people a better player and they wont be able to win the game by themselves. The towns success wont depend on feeding information to the two roles wither but on the individual posts that go in the thread. I'll say it now as well that I don't like pm'ing as it keeps so much information out of the loop for other players and is far to easy to be misleading.

and additionally, i'm not going to be mad if trundle decides to lynch a lurker. There is literally so little to post about right now that all I have to add is a bit of bickering on my own part. Also that was not a dig at anyone in particular, Im just hoping the town will stay independent and not fall under a haze of safety now that we have two decent elected roles once again.

 

[kerryelizabeth]

There's really not much I can add right now. We have nothing to go on, besides a few possible suspicious, possible just newb posts. It's a tough call really.

 

[Justin]

Trundle you've ran on the promise of being capable of analysing posts to find the scum just like many of the other candidates... so I'd like to ask you to do that now and prove to us you can by posting anything you've noticed today, and giving us a list of your considerations for lynch. Then we can break down what you say and hopefully come to some kind of consensus for the lynch in 2 hours.