Mafia TBT Mafia IV: Red Revolution [Game Over/Mafia Win]

[Elijo]

I simply can not decide who to vote for now. I still think that BBG is Mafia, but according to the recent information I received, I feel like there is a better candidate than him. Once I analysis the PMs I had received, I'll state some suspicions with evidence.

 

[Prof Gallows]

I have time that time blu and I was on vacation dude that post is from December, January I have school

Like I said go and lynch me if you want idc anyway I have a lot of things to prepare

If you're so busy that you can't play, then you need to be modkilled instead of us wasting time on you. Seriously.

 

[Byngo]

I have time that time blu and I was on vacation dude that post is from December, January I have school

Like I said go and lynch me if you want idc anyway I have a lot of things to prepare

If you knew you would be very busy, why did you sign up? If you didn't know, I understand.

 

[Farobi]

I thought someone who died was scum for sure D: Oh well.
Many blues died. One of them is Lauren who's inactive. Does anyone know who know her role?

I'd make a defense for myself but I'm still on my phone lel.

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Other than beary*

 

[Byngo]

Well, I'll put my vote in for Gandalf.

It may be subject to change, depending on what Gandalf has to say as well as anything else that may come up.

 

[BlueLeaf]

I'll insert my vote in for Gandalf in the meantime. Tom's scenario is probably true. As with any other lynch candid, I'd like to hear what Gandalf has to say. Any person previously under suspicion isn't out of the blue yet, though.

 

[BellGreen]

It's tough to decide who to vote for :/ I'll vote for Gandalf for now, since Tom's evidence really hits the spot.

 

[Elijo]

Kayla has had everyone except four people roleclaim to her. Do you want to know who those four are?

ITookYourWaffles
LaurinaMN
BellBringerGreen
Gandalf

By role statistics, Kayla found out that Beary was lying about her role. The roleclaiming was how Beary was killed by a vigilante.

ITookYourWaffles, after I told Kayla your role, she revealed that she had three people tell her that they had the same role. I hughly doubt that you are that role. Care to convince me otherwise?

The people that have not roleclaimed are most likely mafia. Laurina has failed to defend herself, BellBringerGreen is still suspicious for the Trundle PM and Gandalf is been called out from Tom's evidence.

For now, I am going to vote for Gandalf.

 

[Laurina]

The people that have not roleclaimed are most likely mafia. Laurina has failed to defend herself

Kuma defend myself for what?
I've put up a defense the last time I was on, when being called out for being a strong player here:
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...d-Revolution&p=2178358&viewfull=1#post2178358
I've been just as inactive as you, but I've been trying here. Of course I didn't role-claim to Kayla. I had no reason to trust her, the only reason would be when she came to me in the IRC during day two:
[12:58] <Kayla> I just wanted to let you know that a Detective approached me saying they inspected me Night One
[12:58] <Kayla> They chose to reveal themselves because I returned Town aligned

Spoiler: rest of conversation with Kayla, if you're curious

[12:59] <Kayla> If you have any information that can help the Detective
[12:59] <Kayla> Yeah I know =P but this Detective .. he really needs help
[12:59] <Kayla> he's working alone and he's chosen to trust me
[12:59] <Kayla> If I die Night Two
[12:59] <Kayla> I just want to make sure that he has extra information to keep himself going
[13:00] <Kayla> If you can think of anything that he needs to know, such as names of people to inspect that could help him
[13:00] <Laurina> I don't have too much information really. I was planning on going back to see the campaign posts to see who may have been against SuperPenguin. Since he was trying so hard to gun for mayor and showed us all an incrediably strong side to him.
[13:01] <Laurina> Okay sounds good. So far I'm thinking BellBringerGreen. Maybe FireNinja since SuperPenguin was so hard on him for Day one's lynch and since that ended he's been really under the radar.
[13:02] <Laurina> I'm kind of wondering why Trundle mentioned Tom to BlueLeaf. Kind of had me backtracking him a bit.

And that was pretty much the end of it. The only thing odd that struck me was how the detective contacted Kayla right away knowing there's still a Godfather in play.

I read Kayla's PM maybe around 5 AM this morning.

Spoiler: Kayla's PM

I need you to roleclaim.
I know this is asking for a lot right now, but I need you to trust me and roleclaim with your real role. The Detective is trusting me and they need help. We don't want to waste inspections on Town roles tonight. We want to hit red.

There is no way you are a Townie. You have to be hiding a blue role.

We need to get a lead on the Mafia so if you could just trust me then that would help Town a lot.

If you do not feel comfortable roleclaiming then let me know. I will understand but I would rather you just roleclaim right now.

Chances are I am going to die tonight anyways.

Of course this PM was sent after she accuses me of being the Godfather? It seemed absolutely ridiculous. Although, I know this is just Kayla on a mission, I tried not to think much about it. Then I realized she was just messaging a majority, if not all the players in the game. If people did claim to her, there would be no way it will come out accurate. I also had no reason to believe that blue roles were going to claim to her or townies would claim to her. It's a risk that players shouldn't gamble on. I saw it two ways, she was either the Godfather trying to fish for information to narrow down the blue roles. Or if she was town she was probably in a PM circle with quite a few people, and would probably share or slip up the roles with people she supposively "trusted". I know for a fact that I wasn't one of them. Seeing the horrifying blue massacre of players (RIP; Kayla, Tina, & Lauren) makes me a bit curious on who was involved in her PM circle and who among them is Mafia mixed in with the blues, I'm assuming.

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As for my vote, I was hoping to do a placeholder vote for Gandalf since I work in the morning. Due to the reason Tom has given. I still have a strong sense that BellBringerGreen is scum, but between the two, Gandalf is a much stronger player and would benefit the town so much more if he were to flip red. I hope it doesn't come down to him flipping blue or green since it would be a tremendous lost. But going back and viewing his activity on the thread I feel confident in putting in my vote for Gandalf beyond the placeholder vote. He has not been as active as I would have like to see him be. I know for a fact that he's one of the strongest players here, but this time around it's quite hard to see. Which makes me believe he's just hiding himself.

His first post when the game started was him calling out SuperPenguin for his aggressive campaigning.

Spoiler: Quoted Post

Just some thoughts on Superpenguin.

So far your posts have come across as quite aggressive to the current and past candidates. I like that you've put decent thought into the past mayors mistakes, though some of your suggestions also seem to all revolve around concealing information from the main thread. It's like you don't want people to outright trust you on one hand while on the other you don't want them to pass information to the town in place of you as mayor. Feels like you are playing two separate games: Iloveyou from mafia II and Karla's sheriff in mafia III.

In all honesty, I don't have as much power over you guys as mayor as you may think I do.

This though, this I like. Something I've always tried to push in the past games. So long as you don't use the same flimsy logic you used in picking apart Oath's post, I could see you as mayor.

After that he decides to put his post in for Tina, and we don't here from him until he draws out Blu Rose's name.

The only person he has accused/built a case against has been Blue Rose who I have believed to be an innocent townie.
I also viewed Blu Rose as: [19:31] <Laurina>I see Blu as a safty net. A player someone can easily build a case against him when there's noone else to throw out there.
Kind of like Mafia bait. His posts can easily be misinterpreted and it'd be simple to twist his words around to make it sound like he's the bad guy. So I have been keeping an eye out for those who have built suspicions or cases against Blu.

Few suspicions floating around but for now I just want to focus on Blu Rose

Has any DT checked Tina? If so, please PM me, unless if you feel I am suspicious, or maybe get to that later, on Night 2. I feel that it is of utmost importance that we rolecheck the Mayor, even if they are acting extremely innocent.

I'm fairly certain that it has been agreed on in the past that this is just about the worst thing a detective can do. Asking them to roleclaim while trying to relieve suspicions always sets off alarm bells for me. Can't ignore the fact though that Trundle made a very similar appeal in the last game in regard to Veterans revealing themselves via pm. In Trundle's case that was just the move of a tired Town player, but taking into account the posts above, I still can't help but feel that here it is something more.

This definitely doesn't do anything though to dissolve theory (1) in which someone is trying to frame Tina, that possible someone being Blu Rose and a couple of others yet to show their faces. Lets not forget the post he made in regard to Tina.

To top it all off, she wasn't killed on Night 1, despite (in my opinion) being better than oath2order. As she had no bodyguard, she was vulnerable, and also her death would lead to a lot of people being crestfallen...
#sosalty, why did you die!

Either that, or this could be an attempt to frame beary509.

To me, this does not sound like a townie observation. More so something developed in scum chat in regard to day 2 activity. Immediately switching from a well thought out allegation to something you might consider safer or more common in Beary509 is also a scum tactic in my opinion to come off innocent.

What i'm trying to say here is that detectives, don't reveal yourselves. Not to Blue Rose and not to anyone.

I want to point out what I underlined and put in bold in his quote. I personally would have overlooked him saying someone was trying to frame Beary for it since he didn't really back it up with much evidence and it was just home throwing her name out there. But maybe this was Gandalf's way of indirectly defend her. Drawing attention away from his fellow scum member and sweeping it up under the rug. Sure she has been considered a "safe" option, but still suspicious at the time, nonetheless.

I would have considered his vote for Justin to be a bit of a bandwagon, but he gave a reason for it more than others have. I admit that I did the same thing to Justin. I was on Mumble and IRC at the time when I needed to vote. He needed one more and I was told I should vote just to end it. I was also told he was uninterested and wouldn't care. He probably would have gotten modkill eventually. Still RIP.

 

[unravel]

Well sorry I didn't know that the exam will held on January 15-17, I had measles since December 16-20 and I contacted some of my classmates and they said they are not sure of the exam schedule.

ITookYourWaffles, after I told Kayla your role, she revealed that she had three people tell her that they had the same role. I hughly doubt that you are that role. Care to convince me otherwise?
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Yeah that is me, ??? and ??? He pmed me and told me about this. which reminds me about this Night 1 someone told me about ??? and s/he said that s/he is suspicious because of how he acts I told him there is nothing wrong with him but if you have any info about him you may pm me and we will see if we have sufficient evidence.

2nd pm about ??? and this user post about ???

It can be anything like someone asking you strange questions. If anyone did anything suspicious? We already know that Blu Rose is asking the Detective to roleclaim and we found that really weird.

The Detective needs help on who to inspect for Night Two and we want to make sure it is a good inspection. If not, it's looking like Blu Rose or ??? will be inspected.

I dunno but why ??? I have insufficient evidence about him. I will post when the time is right.

____ expect for typos

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now the 3rd pm and he told me not to post about ??? he RC as SOMETHING
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Oh which reminds me Dolby and Blu voted me care to explain?

Im voting myself as placeholder busy.

 

[unravel]

You may give me a warning for this

 

[Dolby]

You may give me a warning for this

Waffles, I voted for you because I find it all together strange of the timing of a few events looking back in the thread (3 posts accusing blue at almost the same time) and the fact that you're grammar has been very good until now and then temporarily changed. (See vd in game three)

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By almost the same time I mean that they were 3 posts in a row, not counting blue horse's defense post against Gandalf

 

[KarlaKGB]

Night 3​

Following the death of their beloved leader, infighting broke out almost immediately. The slaying of both a Chekist and a senior officer of the NKVD put the blame at the feet of Gandalf. He had always been an opponent of such state apparatus. As the soldiers went to arrest him, he leapt to his feet and drew a pistol, firing blindly. This sent the soldiers scurrying for cover, while he turned and fled. The soldiers pursued him out of the building, when they suddenly watched the back of his head explode, followed by a loud crack of a rifle. Gandalf's true colours were unmistakably revealed.

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Gandalf the White Conspirator was executed.

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KP = 2 tonight. Night will last for around 30 hours.

 

[iLoveYou]

 

[Blu Rose]

Waffles, I already explained my previous vote for you.
It was in the dead of the night...

Dolby, everyone absolutely loves being called a blue horse!

Okay, we nailed down another beary Conspirator! iLoveYou's post pretty much sums it up.

Also, everyone loves you guys, people who make the tags...

blu is scum

What makes you say that?
Waffles, I'd like to hear your reasoning...

If I die tonight, Waffles, you'll be next. Hopefully, that is.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

Oh yes this pleases me. I'll be typing up a night plan in case there is actually a big and detective left (much doubt).

 

[Gandalf]

Good game town and good luck to my friendly scum buddies. I'll be watching ​

 

[Lauren]

WHO KILLED ME, TELL ME OR ILL **** WITH YOU IN LIMBO

 

[Elijo]

THANK YOU KAYLA <3

Okay seriously, I am possibly going to die tonight so, I am going to list the three candidates for Mafia, just in case anyone forgets.
LaurinaMN
ITookYourWaffles
BellBringerGreen

Later, I will post why Laurina is still one of my suspicions.

 

[Blu Rose]

iLoveYou's list:

BellBringerGreen
LaurinaMN
Gandalf White Conspirator
ITookYourWaffles
Farobi

Now, I am extremely sure this list is fairly accurate.
But, when we go back to the first post, we see that there are two dead Mafia members, and we see that the list contains five people, only one of them being a confirmed Mafia.

With there being two confirmed Mafia, one of the people on the list is surely a Town member, considering that the list is accurate.

Comfirmed Mafia:

beary509 White Conspirator
Gandalf White Conspirator

Before I type up the rest of this post, can everybody PM me with their time zone? Please, it'd help us Town tremendously.