Mafia TBT Mafia: Renaissance - Game Thread [ENDGAME - Town Wins]

[Antonio]

Oh yeah someone called me mafia.

How the hell did you call me mafia when I claimed PR lmao...

Did you even read my 4 posts before this?

I don't think you are a cop. You falsely claimed last game and I took the bait. I don't understand why you will risk a night 1 death when you could be investigating other people for a few phases before being lynched.

Blue role claiming during day 1 is a terrible move, unless you are lying.

 

[Geoni]

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-Antonio's case: it's an extension of his reaction to Trundle and reading the general consensus on how Trundle is being too flippant. Not wholly in agreement with it but it's coming from that towny omgus perspective that doesn't match Antonio's more deliberate scum playstyle. Reminds me of when him and Punchy went at it.

to be honest, i like this point bc he snapped out of it pretty quickly once more people started sussing him.
trundle today is so different than trundle yesterday and its almost black and white in difference.


for some reason tho my gut still thinks a trundle lynch is a bad idea.. i know we have some time left but i'm anxious about this D1 so far.

Still hesitant but I'm starting to vibe with tae in that we're thinking the same way actually.

Damn Antonio has entered the chat!
My take with only a few hours left and trying to pin 20 players

scum leans: Trundle, Mog, Shawo and panda

Town Leans : Tae, Antonio, Damniel, Evan, locket

I feel like the townies i picked have been pretty good about trying to gather as much info from other players without seeming shady about doing so

as for scum, i feel like in one way or another they rubbed me the wrong way or have been too quiet throughout this. I was on the fence about Trundle but after that heat supplied by Antonio im down for a lynching

Why Mog scum and locket town?

 

[Damniel]

If KP is 1 with 4 scum
16 town-4 Scum. Each Day ends in a mislynch and maf kills 1 each time (assume no/bad doc for a worst case scenario)
D1: 16-4 D2: 14-4 D3: 12-4 D4: 10-4 D5: 8-4 D6: 6-4 Mislych Day 6 and loose

Ive never seen a game here go up to more than 4 days actually

If KP is 1 with 5 scum
D1: 16-5 D2: 13-5 D3: 11-5 D4: 9-5 D5: 7-5 Mislych Day 5 and loose

If its 5 scum and 1 KP, there should be a big cuz otherwise that's way too much for a game like this imo

 

[shawo]

I was talking about harbour but honestly if someone were to snapread you as mafia I wouldn't blame them.

So basically the game right now is "Do you think that there's a vig"

So I'll go ahead and make my next point which is that "The vig doesn't have to use their power unless **** hits the fan.

So the game is now...

"Do you think a mystery vig's power is more important, or an uneducated lynch.

 

[Antonio]

Ok so this is a reply I like.

Finally a valid counterpoint.

I literally made a similiar claim:

We don't know if there is a protective + investigative combo. We also don't know if there's a mafia counter role like roleblocker and such.

 

[Harbour]

if KP is only one there either must be a lot more maf or a serial killer cuz otherwise this whole game is town stacked

i don't understand? i meant kp is certainly one [term that i am familiar with].

 

[PunchyTheCat]

if we don't kill trundle today he's going to be a question for most of the game

I've had this happen where a town who almost gets lynched d1 makes it to mylo then gets lynched

honestly trundle is probably going to be lynched today (that's why I'm saying this) and TBT doesn't like to move their votes near EoD

I voted Daniel. Not like it's going to actually happen, but we can hope.

 

[shawo]

kp 1 with 5 was my assumption because that's how I would've made a 20p game.

6 days of forum mafia seems abt right

 

[PunchyTheCat]

I was talking about harbour but honestly if someone were to snapread you as mafia I wouldn't blame them.

So basically the game right now is "Do you think that there's a vig"

So I'll go ahead and make my next point which is that "The vig doesn't have to use their power unless **** hits the fan.

So the game is now...

"Do you think a mystery vig's power is more important, or an uneducated lynch.

uneducated lynch

it gives information on more people which can be used later

 

[Antonio]

if we don't kill trundle today he's going to be a question for most of the game

I've had this happen where a town who almost gets lynched d1 makes it to mylo then gets lynched

honestly trundle is probably going to be lynched today (that's why I'm saying this) and TBT doesn't like to move their votes near EoD

I voted Daniel. Not like it's going to actually happen, but we can hope.

Can you explain your daniel vote? I don't remember what you said about him.

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I don't think you are a cop. You falsely claimed last game and I took the bait. I don't understand why you will risk a night 1 death when you could be investigating other people for a few phases before being lynched.

Blue role claiming during day 1 is a terrible move, unless you are lying.

I'm bringing this done because possibly falsely claiming a blue role should be a worry. Are you actually cop? @shawo

 

[shawo]

Ok responding to three different points. If you did antonio I didn't see it. Feel free to quote it and I'll probably like it a lot. I don't think I can justify a lynch on damniel at all here. The fact that he was willing to engage and talk to me abt this mechanics thing means way more than any of the questions he asked and probably means he's actively thinking about this game.

Next, what information do we gain from this lynch that we can't gain without the lynch.
It's easy to assume interactions if someone is town vs if someone is mafia, there's only two possible scenarios.

 

[Antonio]

down**

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Can you explain your daniel vote? I don't remember what you said about him.

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I'm bringing this done because possibly falsely claiming a blue role should be a worry. Are you actually cop? @shawo

daniel is ready to jump on any lynch

i don't remember a single townread he had

@Antonio don't push that. if he's actually not cop the mafia might kill him and keep cop safe

 

[shawo]

How many times do I have to say that I'm not engaging questions about my role. Just assume I'm cop if you want.

 

[Antonio]

Ok responding to three different points. If you did antonio I didn't see it. Feel free to quote it and I'll probably like it a lot. I don't think I can justify a lynch on damniel at all here. The fact that he was willing to engage and talk to me abt this mechanics thing means way more than any of the questions he asked and probably means he's actively thinking about this game.

Next, what information do we gain from this lynch that we can't gain without the lynch.
It's easy to assume interactions if someone is town vs if someone is mafia, there's only two possible scenarios.

If i did, what? Can you be more clear.

 

[Damniel]

also i'm reading up and daniel feels like he's ready to jump onto any lynch canidate

doesn't sit right with me

idk how to repond to this except that ive been for a trundle lynch this whole time

So then we have vig.

which goes

20 - 16 (vig kill) -13 - 10 - 7
which actually evens us back into the best case scenario.

So I'll go ahead and say that if there's a one shot kill with the town, we're better off lynching.

wait sorry is this scenario where vig kills a town or maf? its most likely that a vig will kill a townie that's been sussed a lot and that would avoid a mislynch

 

[shawo]

I literally made a similiar claim:

 

[tae]

daniel is ready to jump on any lynch

i don't remember a single townread he had

he had some townleans. did you read the whole thread or did you skim?

 

[shawo]

In every given scenario I've been assuming a mafia is lynched at the last possible moment, since it's the same math any other way. Obviously if all mafia is lynched town wins so we don't need to prepare for a best case scenario.

 

[Antonio]

and i quoted it afterwards, click the arrow.