I've finally finished rereading this (at this point) immense thread. Time to leave a town->scum reads list.[
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xCleb: In no situation does an unconfident newbie sling
this at their mafia partner. (And qwertie, regardless of the fact that they've played before quite a while ago, does fit that description) Otherwise, their (cleb) content hasn't been particularly great and they're in the honeymoon stage of not being terrible anymore, which means they're a little.. overconfident? Not quite the right word, more like an amalgamation of entitled and pretentious, but those words are both too strong.
bri:Wildly obvious competent new town. Many people in the thread draw parallels to amanda's first game, which I think is pretty inaccurate, as amanda had a extremely analytical approach. bri's approach is much more obviously not artificial, and quite a bit harder to fake if bri is actually mafia. (Which I strongly believe is not the case.) Bri's towntells range from her initial reaction upon entering thread, her reaction to ayaya's pressure, and her easily followable logic behind her reads list, regardless of whether I agreed or not. Very impressed with her content as a new player, toboot.
Toads: Rose the roleblocker is back again. I think toads is nothing short of shockingly, blatantly, wildly obvious town. I tend to avoid the use of meta and am an ardent disciple of trying to generate your reads as much from the content of the game as possible, but for some people like toads there's giant meta flags like his town panic that just let you easily pinpoint his alignment. Of course, if he's actually mafia I'd be nothing short of impressed, but that's because it is quite unlikely that he is.
Kirby: Interaction with Qwerty is quite positive, but this green read is more of a "not mafia" read than a "town read". Given Kirby's erratic play, I'd argue that it makes most sense if he was a fool role, but that regardless, lynching him is quite a poor idea.
Dolby: I'm reticent to townread Dolby, as he's quite good at producing genuine content from a red perspective, but in this case I just agree with a lot of his reads, while funnily enough not as much with his reasoning. This is a tenative read at best, and is subject to change. But if Dolby is town he's a solid asset, although not as much as he would be to a mafia team.
SansaiGallade: With regard to your reads, someone being 'rational with decisions' is a demonstration of competence, not a towntell. A towntell is, by nature, something someone wouldn't be able to do - or is unlikely to do - as mafia. Aside from that, your reasoning is fine, and I'm quite fond of your reasoning on Zendel even though I disagree with it's indication of alignment. See, my read on Zendel is that he's someone who presents a fake front as a person, in and out of mafia. The reason I've slotted you in townreads despite arguably bashing most of your reads is because I can see the reasoning behind why you came to them. By all means, you could still be mafia, but I find that scenario considerably less likely than that of you being town.
Byngo: I've gotta admit, prior to ISOing you in prep for writing this, I was incredibly skeptical of the townreads on you. But despite your short posts and brief summeries, a lot of your content is original and quite followable. I especially appreciated your reads list even though you didn't got very in depth to justify your reads.
Zendel: Stop. Posting. I don't mean that as an insult, I don't mean to say your content is particularly bad, because overall you've been quite nice and you have been quite clearly trying to contribute to town. I don't literally mean stop posting all together, I mean ~70 posts in a ~54 hour period is kinda crazy town. Try to post less one liners and make your posts a little more compact. As for why I'm reading him as town, that's due to the nature of the wagon on zendel as day 1 ended, which was nothing short of extremely suspect. I have to admit that I incorrectly had zendel tagged as mafia initially because I thought his play changed just after someone suggested that he played slightly differently as town to immitate the way they suggested, but found out I was incorrect in that case. This is by no means a strong read and is on the weaker end of my town reads.
Panda: Didn't have time to do an ISO, but content reminds me mostly of townpanda, nothing conclusive here. Reasonably weak read. Didn't feel anything opportunistic and I could follow most of the logic she applied, regardless of whether I agreed with it or not.
Yzanda: Yzanda, content is the life of a game of mafia. I realise this game is nothing short of horribly intimidating, but I urge you to try and share your thoughts on who is what based on how people are interacting. If you are town, you needn't worry. New players are pretty obvious town as town once they've started talking.
Apple/Trundle: Not half as much content as regularly, but that's just because he's busy. Important to note that while his reads appear to be on point, that he has quite the bad habit of busing as mafia, so that's not super indicative of his alignment. Looking forward to seeing more of his content after he has more time.
Mogyay: Nothing particularly allignment indicative out of mog yet. I find the alleged cases against her nothing short of horribly weak, and, if required, will dismantle them. That being said, I don't think mogyay's game so far has had any particularly large indications of her being town, so at null she stays.
Heyden: I'm probably being a copout here, but heyden's town game is debilitating enough for town that his mafia play is reasonably difficult to distinguish from it. And I can't conclude anything major from his content, which is mostly air.
Kermit/Karen: Didn't have time to ISO, don't recall anything alignment indicative in her posts at all. That being said, I think all her content is within her playstyle, and that the people pushing her have got quite a bad case.
Uttamori: Floored that anyone has a townread in this direction. They have about 10-15 game related posts, which are 90% air. They've produced 3 townreads, 2 of which are satisfied with a 1 line description, the other of which is the no brainer post-lynch kirby read. I saw some people claim that Utta is fulfilling their meta, but I just absolutely don't buy that when their play would take subzero effort to fake as mafia.
Curry: Only
one post of his actually contributes to the game. (well 2, if you count
this one. But only one major post) In that post he demostrates a horrific push on Kermit, scumreading her for something both he and I know she would do as town. Arguably, you could put this down to him being super stressed from work and overthinking, so I'm willing to give him plenty of breathing room here and I don't really think pressuring here will have any positive effect at all. Hope you have some more free time soon curry.
Ayaya: Not entirely sure where the townreads were coming from early in the day phase here. Well, maybe I'm being too harsh by saying that. For example:
this post is fantastic. It applies an appropriate amount of pressure and progresses the discussion at a sweet pace. It's exactly what I'd have done early in the day phase if I was a player rather than a replacement. That being said, brijade's initial answer was clear and concise. You can argue that
this post could be warranted, I wouldn't agree at all, but that's an arguable position, whereas the bri-related content
here feels a lot more like ayaya is trying to appear like she is facilitating discussion rather than actually doing it. If I were to use an analogy here it'd be "beating a dead horse", but that wouldn't be quite right, it's more like milking a dry cow.
Lots of people attacked Ayaya's null read list, but while I find it incredibly difficult to comprehend a scenario where you've read all those goddamn pages and not managed to get quite lengthy opinions about most if not all the contributors, a null read list is simply not a scumtell. It will never be a scumtell. In fact, if anything, it would be a towntell, because mafia are more liable to lie and claim to have reads to appear less suspicious. But it isn't anything. Ayaya is possibly mafia, but if she is mafia, it isn't because of the reads list.
Kat: I don't have time to ISO her because there's quite a bit of content, and consequently this read might change when I have the time to go through her posts and re-conclude tomorrow. I think that's more on the unlikely side than the likely side though, as a lot of her posts felt quite off to me, and her play near EoD felt opportunistic.
