I'm beginning to think maf has the dagger since nobody has came forward.... anyway here are some of my thoughts
Dolby
It?s so hard to read someone that barely posts. I?ve seen Dolby do this as maf and as town it?s almost like his strategy or something. but I really don?t like it. I even went on the TBT Mafia Wiki and went to several games where he was in both alignments and for the majority of them he barely posted. But what I have noticed, is he seems to play a LOT more seriously when he's town vs. when he's mafia.
Here?s a free ISO of all his posts because they?re mainly all ****posts anyway!
1) I was recently executed for treason, but such is life in glorious Arstotzka
2) I would prefer to be mafia because I like to be scum in general
3) Lynching Kolechain scum
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BeaverMan2016 is Trundle
Doughssant is confirmed Arstotzkan
No, not at this moment. I'm still a bit jet-lagged from flying back to Oregon, so don't expect any coherent posts
Yay, somewhat relevant things
I want you all to remember that in a two faction mafia game it is easy for a mafia member to come off as pro-town as they are actively hunting scum, just like a SK.
Ness and Panda have been arguing over nothing this whole day phase, just different forms of nothing as time passes
PPL who I don't feel are town
Lucanosa(Placeholder vote 3 hours in, sus on Ness bc they consider Ness's comment on the rune joke a defense)
Ayaya(Seems to be avoiding the thread at the moment. They may be busy with irl things, but I don't like the drop in post count and quality)
PPL who I feel are good right now
Panda(I actually feel like Panda is town, unlike quite a few of you, even though I haven't been seen her as scum. Most noob scum try to lay back and be non-confrontational, but panda isn't doing that. Not that certain aspects of her posts and nitpickyness aren't scummy to some people, but it's normal behavior for her)
Oath2order
Sarasakat
*Ninja Vanish and Sleeps*
Nah, I'll be on for another 15 minutes
?somewhat relevant things? yes Dolby, because you have been trying to get everyone to focus on relevant things here right?
the whole day phase? lol dude where is this back and forth that I am missing. maybe it?s just my lack of sleep but the exchange between them wasn?t THAT much. like it was a couple posts, but not the entirety of d1 unless I'm mistaken??
I already pointed out in the discrepancy of his townreading Panda. By his own logic, Panda isn?t necessarily a good townread, because his reasoning is that she?s confrontational. Scumhunting isn?t a good reason to townread someone, yet that?s his reasoning. And he never even bothered to explain in depth if there is more to it.
Ness also said that Panda was "obvious" town when I'm not sure anyone else did besides Dolby. Her behavior/activity is different this game, and you can't deny that. I'm not talking about the nitpicking. I'm talking about her post count so early in the game, how she ignored my argument by dismissing it as me saying she's "too towny" when I never said that. So please, Dolby, make more comprehensive reads if you're really town.
Dolby has played nearly 40 games here. and seriously, this is his analysis? This is reminding me so much of when he was scum in Scummy mafia + Got mafia- where he lurked the whole game and then won by basically doing nothing (not trying 2 b rude but rly u had more posts pregame than in-game) like I mean he can't even back up his two townreads and the one that he did.
Personally, I'm very hesitant to townread someone. Mostly because if I townread them it's hard to gauge their reaction. And I think Dolby is going for the easy push with Lucanosa, because yes although Lucanosa's vote was really weird and scummy like you still have to match the action with the person. Lucanosa could easily coast by and just lay low because every game I've played with them they've done exactly that. He's an extremely easy push for mafia to make right now. But I think what Lucanosa did is just so...obviously scummy that I've been null/town kinda because of that. no really, why would he do that as mafia: make himself look so bad so early?
here?s his reads in Scummy mafia when he was mafia:
A few things though about Ness
1. Why would Ness if he town be named "epicmafia"?
2. As Trundle pointed out earlier, Ness has been going through erratic changes in behavior throughout the game, to the point of being openly anti-town, with intimidation tactics and begging like we saw from Tom and Trundle in GoT mafia. Most notably, he threatens only to kill the people who accuse him
There are three people who I am inclined to think are scum right now: Trundle, m3ow, and KarlaKGB
Trundle
I used to think that you were town earlier because there was no way that you could be a vote thief and I thought that having a mafia doublevoter would be unfair to the town, making them think that they have more chances to lynch then they actually do. However, all that you have done so far is give out baseless accusations.
However, since I personally think that the town is composed of all blue roles, I could see the possibility of a mafia doublevoter in play to balance against that.
m3ow_
I was first drawn to thinking that m3ow is scum because of Ayaya's case on you, and honestly, your behavior, especially on day two is just weird. I'm not going to say what has already been said by Ayaya, but you have quite a lot of weird posts that make me think that you're scum
KarlaKGB
I personally think that Karla is a third-party role as compared to mafia. They haven't been very contributive and what they have said has been of low value. What's more to this is his role claim:
The claim itself, both the name and the role, seem like third-party. His play doesn't match your town or mafia meta, but instead your play as a survival oriented role (Runescape Kingmaker as kingmaker). I would like to note that you claim to be able to kill, which our win condition states that we must eliminate you if you are a third-party killer
I would also be fine with there being a Lucanosa (see above role theory) and Natty(not doing anything productive to the thread) lynch
Mostly lazy, empty arguments. Except for most of the Trundle thing, I think everyone scumread Trundle because of his play in that game, but then what he backs up his claim with is basically because of the roles in the game. Then "I think m3ow is scum because what Ayaya said and other stuff that's weird 2". Karla was a vig and somehow Dolby took that as 3rd party. Dolby jumps to conclusions and pretends like he doesn't know what other options there are.
aaaand here's the rest of his posts:
Yes, I am Jose the Taco Vendor
(Just kidding guys)
pretty ironic for someone to post stuff like this that mentioned how d1 was mostly irrelevent.
ALSO two blue roles dead=Dolby confirmed mafia !!!!!!!!!!
I?m joking, but really Dolby you need to start posting because I know you?re capable of scumhunting fairly well and all I?ve seen so far from you all game is coasting and filler.
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Panda
the way she voted Ness felt really off to me
I'm placing my vote on Ness for the reasons I've stated perviously, I;d be ok with a Ness or a Daniel lynch atm. also I've set my alarm early enough to walk up and see any progress in the game and change my vote if I feel I need to. only half of us have voted so far, so anything can happen.
first of all that last sentence, jesus. like. ok so you?re voting for Ness because you think he?s scum right? why aren?t you trying to tell the rest of us why you think he?s scum then?
so let?s look at her ?reasons she stated?
except. I genuinely can?t find them? here?s everything she said about Ness
ness is always emotional and brash so i don't know what to do with this.
"to THE town" like his not part of it ? Ness.... haha i think you just gave yourself away.
you know what im tired of Ness flying off the handle every time i say something to him, Ness calm down, not everything from me is a personal attack on you.... yes it matters what you type and how you word things, thats the whole point of the game. i can only read and review what you type and make decisions off of it. thats all i don't want to get into a pointless back and forth with you cause like everyone else im tired of it and its got to the point where i can't even play the game properly cause you think im acting you, im not.
seriously what pointless back and forth? I literally missed it if there is one pls correct me if I?m wrong. also i realize that Ness was pretty scummy at this point, that?s why I made a case on him. but with the way that Panda nonchalantly voted and said ?anything can happen? doesn?t seem like town motivation at all. I?m starting to think Panda wanted to vote for Ness because of how blatant he made that townread on her, so she didn?t want to be associated with him and voting him would make her seem more town if everyone did end up lynching Ness. otherwise, why didn?t Panda make a case? Ness was doing a lot of scummy things, so I don?t understand why she didn?t point them out, and instead focused on the error he made in his speech (which I have seen townies do, ex. Trojan in Scummy mafia IIRC)
I?ve felt off about Panda since d1. she definitely stopped posting as much after everyone mentioned her post count but even when she does post I just don?t see her towntelling like she did in other games:
you know what guys im sorry i don't think i can put together great post for you at the moment as its late and i feel myself fading fast... and i probably won't be up too much before N! so if i die i just want to say a few things.
im still suspicious of Daniel
also im not town reading Sarasaka
and the exchange with Rune and Alexi is very odd... i think rune looks pretty scummy in it to be honest.
to tell you guys the truth im finding it hard this game cause of the 2 scum team thing... im trying my hardest to find the town between all the post i don't know if it's just me but my brain works where i try to find the least scummy person and work backwards and with the 2 scum teams everyone is scum hunting and i can't tell the difference at the moment, its great the we got Ness but at the same time its hard to read back through what he posted cause 'god knows' whats going on if he was scum hunting himself or bussing or just throwing random things out there. im sorry guys, hopefully i live long enough to help make some sense of it all.
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uhhh.. i mean dough not alexi im sorry. the exchange between Rune and dough is very odd **
I def understand about Daniel but
Sarasa- what why? I thought Sarasa was extremely town, of course now it?s easy to say that she?s flipped but I mean c?mon dude. Did you see how long her post on Ayaya is... that is an EXTREME amount of effort, and she was arguably putting the most unbiased effort out of all of us. She questioned each of us equally.
Rune- really? are you kidding me? I?ve never seen Rune post as much as he did this game, and he posted really well formulated thoughts. He spent so much effort breaking that all down and considering each outcome.
now I?m not saying I was 1000% positive in those townreads but they were contributing and helping a lot so I think your suspicion on them was completely uncalled for
last paragraph- I?ve never seen her appeal to emotion as much as there. She?s literally saying nothing in it, like I get it we are all confused here and scumhunting isnt enough for townreading someone but literally this is just filler, you?re just stating the obvious. the reason why I say it?s appeal to emotion is that she?s justifying this for not being able to make a reads post.
And then ?if i die? what?? I would understand her saying this if she posted an analysis on Ness...But unless I?m missing something she just voted him because of the wording he was saying
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soz this took forever honestly. and it's pretty rushed because I didn't edit it as well as I should've. I'm gonna continue this later tonight or tomorrow morning, it's my friends bday so I'm going out. I'm still not sure who to vote for- I want to see Dolby's and Panda's response and their suggestions as well. My second post will be more in depth of these, but there are a lot of others that are standing out to me as well, notably
Ayaya who is reallllly quiet this game which seems pretty unlike herself. Along with
Trundle who is sort of acting like his typical scum behavior with acting seemingly pro-town but basically doing nothing but throwing names out and seeing what sticks, and also
Daniel who is pretty quiet ever since we lynched Ness instead of him.
ALSO:
Lucanosa, Jacob, Iggy Koopa, Stardusk, Crys, Mother of all llamas
please talk and give your thoughts on other players or at least one person you think is suspicious