Mafia TBT Mafia X: The Honnō-ji Incident [Game Over/Town Win]

[Cory]

If I am mayor I will let you all vote like it is a normal day and then I will vote for who ever has the most votes at the end or if someone has reached majority.

 

[Sataric]

May I ask why you want to be Mayor? You didn't really provide a reason ; I couldn't even tell if this part was a joke or not.

Yes, the last bit was meant to be a bit of a jest - I would accept the position if people would trust me with it, but I don't care enough about it to campaign for it, and I wouldn't say that I have a solid game-plan in motion in case I'd be elected. I think I would try to run things as sort of a democracy for the Day 1 Lynch at least, and listen to everyone's opinions and cases before making any game-changing decisions. But I won't think too much about it as it is unlikely I'll be selected.

 

[Byngo]

Why I should be mayor

nah jk

Voters - who do you think should be mayor? Or what qualities do you want the mayor to have? Don't be influenced too much by the current campaigns. Just look back at past games and suggest a few names you think would be good at fulfilling the mayor role

who do you think should be mayor?

As of right now, no clue.

what qualities do you want the mayor to have

Good leadership of course, honesty, and I particularly like when the mayor doesn't show favoritism. ie: listens and gives thought about all players opinions, not just the ones deemed strong.

Honestly, Trundle has proved time and time again that he's capable and is a good leader for town. So right now, I lean towards him. But I'm confused about you guys saying the people posting campaigns are desperate... In a game where a mayors elected, isn't that something that's encouraged? Don't you want to see people's cases on why they should be the mayor???

 

[KermitTea]

I couldn't disagree more with this. In my experience, those that push the hardest for mayor are town.

It also doesn't help town one bit to handfeed the candidates with how they should campaign. We want a legit mayor with genuine pro-town goals. This is far more likely to lead to a scum filling the position than electing someone who's pushing hard to be elected.

Sorry, but I'm looking back at a past mafia where mafia got both mayor and sheriff role. I don't see why we should suspect those who are pushing hard to be Mayor. There's no harm for a godfather to push hard to be Mayor so, I'm going to suspect everyone who's pushing hard to be Mayor.
I'm saying there should be no campaign at all and voters should simply vote for who they think would handle the mayor role the best and not be influenced by anything in the thread, Of course feeding candidates info on how they should campaign is bad, and of course we want a legit mayor with pro-town goals but if the campaigns we're getting is full of bs I don't see why we should vote for any of these candidates.

I know this has flaws. Like not every player wants to be mayor. But really I can't trust anyone that's running for mayor right now.

- - - Post Merge - - -

*why we shouldn't

 

[KarlaKGB]

I'm gonna come straight out with both barrels. Sataric, you've made two posts since the game began and I hate both of them.

Hello everyone. I'm looking through the thread and I see some people have put a lot of effort into running for the position of Mayor - And although I'm sure we can all appreciate that there's been serious work going into it, it actually raises some red flags for me. Here is why:

Some of the people running for the position clearly had a speech and banners prepared before the game even started and their role was handed out. That means that they likely intended to run for the position no matter what role they got - Even if they are Scum, or a less important Town role like the Bushi. Since both the Cultists and the Mafia CAN be selected for Mayor, it's incredibly important that we do not make a hasty decision and bandwagon a candidate into getting this incredibly powerful title.

... Instead, vote for me. Or don't. Your choice! I'm not going to be trying too hard to convince anyone, because I have an honest heart.

There is nothing out of the ordinary about people coming out immediately with their campaigns. This has happened in all previous games with elected roles. It's also nothing new that scum will try to get elected. You're fear-mongering without being constructive. Why is mayor an incredibly powerful title? Can you expand on that? If you view a drive to get elected as scummy behaviour, then you're going to run into problems.

I agree with that statement 100% - Feel that any of the players that are trying to hard probably has some kind of sinister agenda. I'd rather select a player that doesn't seem to care too much if they win or lose the election. So far MrKissToeFur stands out in my eyes as a player who WANTS the position but doesn't care about it that much at all. But there's still a whole bunch of players who has not spoken yet, so let's not be hasty. We have plenty of time.

Now you agree with a terrible post by Karen. Wishy-washy fenced players are not who we want elected. We need outspoken players who post, because it will be much easier to establish reads on them. Your posts in general reek of timidness and caution. You want to hold back town. Please tell me why I'm wrong about you.

Keep Sataric in mind for the lynch today.

 

[PurplPanda]

If a player lacks the passion, they aren't going to do a good job. If you are going to elect at random, at least elect a player that has been proven time and time again to be an early mafia target.

I'm back for like 5 minutes before we start playing Monopoly.

In the past two games, which I consider my best so far, I have been killed Day 2/Night 2. I believe both of these were because I had suspicions on players who turned out to be mafia. What does this mean? My gut instinct normally is right. I believe I should be mayor because I could find mafia players, post my suspicions, and lead lynches. Plus, mafia would not be able to kill me.

 

[KarlaKGB]

Sorry, but I'm looking back at a past mafia where mafia got both mayor and sheriff role. I don't see why we should suspect those who are pushing hard to be Mayor. There's no harm for a godfather to push hard to be Mayor so, I'm going to suspect everyone who's pushing hard to be Mayor.
I'm saying there should be no campaign at all and voters should simply vote for who they think would handle the mayor role the best and not be influenced by anything in the thread, Of course feeding candidates info on how they should campaign is bad, and of course we want a legit mayor with pro-town goals but if the campaigns we're getting is full of bs I don't see why we should vote for any of these candidates.

I know this has flaws. Like not every player wants to be mayor. But really I can't trust anyone that's running for mayor right now.

- - - Post Merge - - -

*why we shouldn't

Expand your game history. Read game III. People learnt their lesson after the disaster that was game II. Nothing has changed about the roles. Town is fully capable of pushing hard to be elected. In fact, because everyone learnt their lessons, the value of the Mayor role has diminished for scum. Referencing game III again, I believe two scum members, including the godfather pushed for Mayor. It just so happened that the town players who were running pushed back harder, and the scum backed down that game.

I disregard 80% of people's campaign posts. That's why people need to ask questions. It's terrible play to give the candidates a description of the perfect mayor. Not just because scum could mould themselves into one, but because even bad leaders could get elected because they have no substance.

 

[KermitTea]

I'm back for like 5 minutes before we start playing Monopoly.

In the past two games, which I consider my best so far, I have been killed Day 2/Night 2. I believe both of these were because I had suspicions on players who turned out to be mafia. What does this mean? My gut instinct normally is right. I believe I should be mayor because I could find mafia players, post my suspicions, and lead lynches. Plus, mafia would not be able to kill me.

Disagreed. You're claiming townie, so why can't we elect a person who has a blue role that can do the exact same things as you do? Plus, you're on the IRC a lot and it'll be easy for you to gain or leak important info.

I might be sounding harsh today so sorry, but I'm not in the mood for nice and sweet posts.

- - - Post Merge - - -

Expand your game history. Read game III. People learnt their lesson after the disaster that was game II. Nothing has changed about the roles. Town is fully capable of pushing hard to be elected. In fact, because everyone learnt their lessons, the value of the Mayor role has diminished for scum. Referencing game III again, I believe two scum members, including the godfather pushed for Mayor. It just so happened that the town players who were running pushed back harder, and the scum backed down that game.

I disregard 80% of people's campaign posts. That's why people need to ask questions. It's terrible play to give the candidates a description of the perfect mayor. Not just because scum could mould themselves into one, but because even bad leaders could get elected because they have no substance.

Can I just make this clear. I never intended for voters to actually post what they want in a mayor. I just wanted them to keep in mind what would want in a mayor.

 

[KarlaKGB]

I'd like to know what people think the role of Mayor is.

I'd like the candidates to answer this question please. It's really simple.

 

[Ashtot]

I'm back for like 5 minutes before we start playing Monopoly.

In the past two games, which I consider my best so far, I have been killed Day 2/Night 2. I believe both of these were because I had suspicions on players who turned out to be mafia. What does this mean? My gut instinct normally is right. I believe I should be mayor because I could find mafia players, post my suspicions, and lead lynches. Plus, mafia would not be able to kill me.

Worst post 2014.

Seriously though, this makes 0% sense. Your gut instinct has not been proven to be right, and even if it was, all it is, is a gut instinct, so there's no reason to vote on the basis of only that anyway, consider yourself not mayor.

 

[Sataric]

Spoiler

I'm gonna come straight out with both barrels. Sataric, you've made two posts since the game began and I hate both of them.


There is nothing out of the ordinary about people coming out immediately with their campaigns. This has happened in all previous games with elected roles. It's also nothing new that scum will try to get elected. You're fear-mongering without being constructive. Why is mayor an incredibly powerful title? Can you expand on that? If you view a drive to get elected as scummy behaviour, then you're going to run into problems.


Now you agree with a terrible post by Karen. Wishy-washy fenced players are not who we want elected. We need outspoken players who post, because it will be much easier to establish reads on them. Your posts in general reek of timidness and caution. You want to hold back town. Please tell me why I'm wrong about you.

Keep Sataric in mind for the lynch today.

I admit I am still rather new around here, but I did check through some of the archived games and noticed that Scum has been elected as Mayor before, and obviously that puts town in a terrible position. The fact that people had prepared campaigns BEFORE their roles had been handed out worries me the most - It means that they were going to push equally hard for the position no matter what role they got given as the game started. They had already prepared what to say. That makes selecting any of those people as the Mayor a serious gamble.

I'd rather select a talented player who we all know is going to be active, yet that isn't so desperate to get the position at all cost. I don't think it would hold back town in any way if we'd select for example Jeremy, Tom, Lunatic, MrKissToeFur, or any other player who we know does a good job and remains active without trying so hard to be the selected candidate.

 

[KermitTea]

Answering Karla's question.

Imo the mayor is a player that should be good at posting cases and contributing to the thread, a person that would be a huge loss to town if he/she got killed. It should do what he/she normally does in a game without any major changes such as plans proposed earlier.

That being said I think I would be okay with voting for Trundle since it's super easy to tell when he's town or mafia but, not sure.

 

[Byngo]

I'd rather select a talented player who we all know is going to be active, yet that isn't so desperate to get the position at all cost. I don't think it would hold back town in any way if we'd select for example Jeremy, Tom, Lunatic, MrKissToeFur, or any other player who we know does a good job and remains active without trying so hard to be the selected candidate.

I appreciate you thinking I'm a talented player, but really, I think we should focus electing someone who actually desires to be the mayor. I can tell you I don't want to be the mayor because I don't think I'm qualified and I would get overwhelmed right away. I'm usually more of a follower than a leader anyways. :/

 

[Ashtot]

I admit I am still rather new around here, but I did check through some of the archived games and noticed that Scum has been elected as Mayor before, and obviously that puts town in a terrible position. The fact that people had prepared campaigns BEFORE their roles had been handed out worries me the most - It means that they were going to push equally hard for the position no matter what role they got given as the game started. They had already prepared what to say. That makes selecting any of those people as the Mayor a serious gamble.

I'd rather select a talented player who we all know is going to be active, yet that isn't so desperate to get the position at all cost. I don't think it would hold back town in any way if we'd select for example Jeremy, Tom, Lunatic, MrKissToeFur, or any other player who we know does a good job and remains active without trying so hard to be the selected candidate.

Your reasoning is completely flawed, a persons alignment won't singlehandedly prevent someone from running for mayor, so the fact that these few planned before they received their role is completely irrelevant. We need to vote for someone who is following their typical pro-town behaviour and has done well in the past, what your saying should not have any affect on who we vote for. There's also the fact that people received their roles before the game officially started and easily could have gotten their post ready before the game started, but after their roles had been sent out.

Right now, I'm probably going to vote for Trundle, because he's proven in past games to use a role in leadership completely effectively, and is showing signs of his typical pro-town behaviour.

 

[Superpenguin]

I'm back for like 5 minutes before we start playing Monopoly.

In the past two games, which I consider my best so far, I have been killed Day 2/Night 2. I believe both of these were because I had suspicions on players who turned out to be mafia. What does this mean? My gut instinct normally is right. I believe I should be mayor because I could find mafia players, post my suspicions, and lead lynches. Plus, mafia would not be able to kill me.

You were killed in biomafia simply because you weren't suspicious by anyone. We were hoping you'd be a blue as well, but mainly Night 2 kills were based off of who has no suspicion on them.

That being said I think I would be okay with voting for Trundle since it's super easy to tell when he's town or mafia but, not sure.

Here's the thing with Trundle, though. He will hound you for a roleclaim. Practically every game I played with him, I had the epxerience of him coming up to me and asking me what my role is or if I am aligned with Town. We could never get past that part of conversation to where we would talk about suspicions.

To me, Trundle only cares about a player's role and not their actual thoughts. Those are bad qualities for a mayor and a player.

 

[Cory]

Here's the thing with Trundle, though. He will hound you for a roleclaim. Practically every game I played with him, I had the epxerience of him coming up to me and asking me what my role is or if I am aligned with Town. We could never get past that part of conversation to where we would talk about suspicions.

To me, Trundle only cares about a player's role and not their actual thoughts. Those are bad qualities for a mayor and a player.

I agree with this, he pmed me before the official post was even up asking me for my role.

 

[Superpenguin]

I'd like to know what people think the role of Mayor is.

The Mayor is someone who has good ideas and intentions to better the town. They go out of the way to hear the ideas of all players and decide what they think is best, not just follow the crowd's opinions. They are a player who becomes a target by both the cult and mafia and is able to work well with all types of personalities.

 

[Cory]

To clarify my last post, I'm not saying that I'm against Trundle being mayor. I'm saying that I agree with Nick that he hounds people for pms.

 

[KermitTea]

I know Trundle has his flaws, but so far in past games he's proven to be capable of leading a lynch against scum (and town, too for that fact).

Now that I think of it, no one's really fit to be mayor. I'll give this some more thought.

 

[MrPicklez]

I honestly wouldn't mind being Mayor as long as it helps town win. After all that's what a ruler is made to do; protect his people. Some of these candidates are just trying WAY too hard to get votes.