Mafia TBT Mafia X: The Honnō-ji Incident [Game Over/Town Win]

[EpicGamer12]

I admit I am still rather new around here, but I did check through some of the archived games and noticed that Scum has been elected as Mayor before, and obviously that puts town in a terrible position. The fact that people had prepared campaigns BEFORE their roles had been handed out worries me the most - It means that they were going to push equally hard for the position no matter what role they got given as the game started. They had already prepared what to say. That makes selecting any of those people as the Mayor a serious gamble.

I'd rather select a talented player who we all know is going to be active, yet that isn't so desperate to get the position at all cost. I don't think it would hold back town in any way if we'd select for example Jeremy, Tom, Lunatic, MrKissToeFur, or any other player who we know does a good job and remains active without trying so hard to be the selected candidate.

The only game that happened was Game II where everyone blindly trusted the mayor and sheriff. That no longer happens and it really isn't a concern, considering no one is going to blindly trust the mayor if they have an ounce of common sense in them.

 

[Andelsky]

Honestly I'm surprised more people aren't speaking up for Mayor.. I know we have some good leaders from past games. I don't know if the current candidates would be able to handle the stress that comes with the role..

I mean are you able to stand your ground, not bandwagon and take the time and effort to do cases on people?

Don't cause pointless drama that ventures off to the side.

Able to actually tell how people act and the point of noticing if someone is leading you on..?

Basically sure the Mayor lives longer because of the bodyguard.. but mind you what if the bodyguard is an unactive? mostly if its random.. Or if the bodyguard ends up actually being killed early on.. how would you protect yourself then? we cannot go by the terms of the mayor won't die fast and its an easy task.. We need an active person who will take this role seriously.

 

[Superpenguin]

Also remember that Superpenguin led to WotC oath2order for pretty much no logical reason, which I see as another huge character flaw for a good mayor.

And I gained enough support for it. I united enough players behind a common cause to the point where Tina actually had to cancel the WoTC. Even it was for corrupt means, there is no real denying that I did a great job and leading these people.

 

[oath2order]

Screw all the mayor candidates. They all sound so desperate to be mayor and that just screams possible godfather to me.

Voters - who do you think should be mayor? Or what qualities do you want the mayor to have? Don't be influenced too much by the current campaigns. Just look back at past games and suggest a few names you think would be good at fulfilling the mayor role.

@Purpl - no one is going to take your word that you're a townie. You have to prove it through your posting and actions throughout the game. You're pretty much just saying "vote for me bcuz I is townie".

I kind of agree with this. From the current candidates, and what I know of their previous game style, I don't think they'd be good candidates.

Pros and Cons with Superpenguin as mayor

• Con: He's really easy to tell when he's scum, in that he doesn't post much past day one or two.
• Con: I don't recall previous games where he went out of his way to talk to the inactives when he was a townie, or any other role for that matter.
• Con: I think there are stronger players who would do the job better. I'll share who I think should be mayor later on.
• Con: Has a known habit of not being too accommodating towards the newer players in mafia who have yet to figure out their playstyle.

Pros and Cons with Cory as mayor

• Pro: It's very easy to find out his role if he's scum.
• Con: See above. It could help us to find out his role, but if he's a blue, mafia can simply roleblock him constantly.
• Con: He's really not that good of a player. He caved too easily and didn't try to deflect the double-claim he had in Biomafia.

Pros and Cons with Purpl as mayor

• Pro: Did pretty damn good in Supernatural Mafia
• Con: Otherwise not too good of a player
• Con: I don't think they'd do a good job reaching out

In all honesty though, it feels like SP is trying WAY to hard for the Mayor role.

If anything, that's something that I personally would give him credit for. His attitude when he runs for mayor is consistent. He didn't run in game 2. He was scum in game 3 and didn't run. He was massively (please don't shoot me) aggressive in game 4 when he was town.

Just for the record:

[21:14] <Ashtot> why not vote trundle
[21:14] <Superpenguin> cause he annoys me

I don't see why anybody would want a mayor that simply votes and attempts to lynch people just because he doesn't like them as a person. He pushed a Sataric lynch and has pushed lynches on oath2order all because "they're annoying" etc.

Please think about who you vote for.

I have to agree with this.

I just got back from getting ice cream for Mother's Day and didn't know Trundle was a candidate. I'm gonna post this and read about Trundle.

 

[EpicGamer12]

You were killed in biomafia simply because you weren't suspicious by anyone. We were hoping you'd be a blue as well, but mainly Night 2 kills were based off of who has no suspicion on them.



Here's the thing with Trundle, though. He will hound you for a roleclaim. Practically every game I played with him, I had the epxerience of him coming up to me and asking me what my role is or if I am aligned with Town. We could never get past that part of conversation to where we would talk about suspicions.

To me, Trundle only cares about a player's role and not their actual thoughts. Those are bad qualities for a mayor and a player.

Actually, it really depends on the game. Sometimes I go straight for the role if I know it'll be easy to clear the scum team at that point, but if I'm actually trying to make the alliance, I'm obviously going for thoughts. I usually don't ask weaker players (like you) their thoughts unless I think they're scum because it can be useful evidence for later in the game.

 

[Superpenguin]

Pros and Cons with Superpenguin as mayor

• Con: He's really easy to tell when he's scum, in that he doesn't post much past day one or two.
• Con: I don't recall previous games where he went out of his way to talk to the inactives when he was a townie, or any other role for that matter.
• Con: I think there are stronger players who would do the job better. I'll share who I think should be mayor later on.
• Con: Has a known habit of not being too accommodating towards the newer players in mafia who have yet to figure out their playstyle.

If anything, that's something that I personally would give him credit for. His attitude when he runs for mayor is consistent. He didn't run in game 2. He was scum in game 3 and didn't run. He was massively (please don't shoot me) aggressive in game 4 when he was town.

How are you able to list nothing but cons in one moment, but then switch to something more pro the next in regards to me?

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I usually don't ask weaker players

That's truly a shame. Not going to lie. WOuld you at least try to talk with all types of players?
Weak and Strong is subject to opinion, btw.

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Okay I understand, so let's elect a corrupt mayor who'll lynch people based on their character, instead of their play style. You might have done a great job in leading them, but leading them in a negative way. If anything, this supports that you would lead town into bad lynches involving town members.

Why not ask me what my ideas on lynch are at the moment instead of jumping to conclusions? WoTC happens before roles are sent out, lynches happen after.

Some players have actually already come to me with thoughts on lynches as well as others who have said they will be posting cases when the time comes. I intend on looking through all these thoughts on deciding on a lynch, but at the moment if I had to pick a name solely on my own it would be PrayingMantis10 just because I contacted him before game and he failed to respond, and he has not posted but chose to vote.

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Woah, um that messed up. See my post above Ashtot to see my response to him...

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My response to Ashtot is above his post, btw.

 

[Ashtot]

And I gained enough support for it. I united enough players behind a common cause to the point where Tina actually had to cancel the WoTC. Even it was for corrupt means, there is no real denying that I did a great job and leading these people.

Okay I understand, so let's elect a corrupt mayor who'll lynch people based on their character, instead of their play style. You might have done a great job in leading them, but leading them in a negative way. If anything, this supports that you would lead town into bad lynches involving town members.

 

[oath2order]

How are you able to list nothing but cons in one moment, but then switch to something more pro the next in regards to me?

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That's truly a shame. Not going to lie. WOuld you at least try to talk with all types of players?
Weak and Strong is subject to opinion, btw.

My post was a bit of a mess, sorry. I went out to ice cream in the middle of it and new posts came when I got back and it wasn't the best thing. I probably could have organized it better but whatever.

I have never led a lynch on aoth2order. The lynch on Sataric was dropped in the first game Staric played as they started to prove themself as a more vaulable player thna I had first tohught. The second lynch onStaric which actually happened was when I was scum. Obviously my cases and views on lynch candidates will be different and waaaaay more twisted when I am scum.

While you have never led a lynch on me, you've certainly suggested it quite a few times.

From Mafia IX

Well, let's see:

Maybe suggest oath2order because he has proven to be bad at leading town through lynches as shown in KingMaker and in Harry Potter Mafia. Not to mention how aggressively he chases after roleclaims which is extremely dangerous if he is mafia.

Or how about someone like Ashtot who has just been posting one liners all game.

From VIII

Kinda got a pact going to kill Oath instead. I guess we can kill both of them, though...

I think we should wait for a more deserving player to join to WoTC. Oath doesn't deserve to be WoTC'ed. He's never done anything worthy of it.

This first quote is where he's saying he has a pact to kill me before the game starts. The second quote is purely ironic.

Well, I want oath2order to be lynched cause...personal reasons. :3
But I don't think we really should.

This third quote is literally the most damning thing I ever seen. It shows that personal reason do affect his judgement. Honestly, just based on the third quote, I don't think he'd be a good candidate.

 

[EpicGamer12]

How are you able to list nothing but cons in one moment, but then switch to something more pro the next in regards to me?

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That's truly a shame. Not going to lie. WOuld you at least try to talk with all types of players?
Weak and Strong is subject to opinion, btw.

I always try to talk to weaker players, but it's pretty easy to tell whether or not they're worth my time when they say they're suspicious of 3 people I know to be proven. It's quite reminiscent of LittleBeary's playstyle in Mafia V, and it's just not worth the time and distracts town heavily. I'm not sure why you're so against me having the protection considering I'm always a big threat to mafia, even more so with night protection. Mafia will be scrambling to find the bodyguard for much of the game, which just distracts them from more effective methods of winning such as taking out blues.

 

[Alice]

Okay I understand, so let's elect a corrupt mayor who'll lynch people based on their character, instead of their play style. You might have done a great job in leading them, but leading them in a negative way. If anything, this supports that you would lead town into bad lynches involving town members.

I've gotta agree with Ashtot here. You've made a lot of attempted points against people solely based on character. I really don't think you'd make a good mayor, SuperPenguin. Then there was how you went behind someones back. How can we trust you at all?

 

[EpicGamer12]

As a side note, I would really like to see more people post their thoughts on the current candidates and possibly get more candidates for mayor? It'd be better to explore as many possibilities as we can. I can do just as well without mayoral protection, but I wouldn't live as long. The role is essentially just night protection, as I can lead the town equally without it.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

Honestly I'm surprised more people aren't speaking up for Mayor.. I know we have some good leaders from past games. I don't know if the current candidates would be able to handle the stress that comes with the role..

I mean are you able to stand your ground, not bandwagon and take the time and effort to do cases on people?

Don't cause pointless drama that ventures off to the side.

Able to actually tell how people act and the point of noticing if someone is leading you on..?

Basically sure the Mayor lives longer because of the bodyguard.. but mind you what if the bodyguard is an unactive? mostly if its random.. Or if the bodyguard ends up actually being killed early on.. how would you protect yourself then? we cannot go by the terms of the mayor won't die fast and its an easy task.. We need an active person who will take this role seriously.

Well if there's people you got in mind who should run, you ought to speak up. Typically it gets the meeker leaders to try to run when they feel like they have a backing.

Few of our candidates are.

They definitely can't promise that. :/ SP v Oath and Cory v the world.

The mayor isn't terribly important.

 

[Superpenguin]

My post was a bit of a mess, sorry. I went out to ice cream in the middle of it and new posts came when I got back and it wasn't the best thing. I probably could have organized it better but whatever.



While you have never led a lynch on me, you've certainly suggested it quite a few times.

From Mafia IX



From VIII





This first quote is where he's saying he has a pact to kill me before the game starts. The second quote is purely ironic.



This third quote is literally the most damning thing I ever seen. It shows that personal reason do affect his judgement. Honestly, just based on the third quote, I don't think he'd be a good candidate.

Those were all said in a joking manner and obviously were never meant to be taking seriously.

and if you wanna know what I told people to get them on board to WoTC you:

I'd like to ask if you're okay with telling Tina that you want to WoTC oath2order?

Oath2Order has just been playing every mafia game, and gets really angry during them a lot, and a lot of us really think he needs a forced break, so if you could WoTC him, I'd appreciate it!

Also, that first scenario was just me telling Lunatic how easy it is to bring a name up for lynch. Even so, that game you were horseman, so i mean...

 

[oath2order]

and if you wanna know what I told people to get them on board to WoTC you:


Also, that first scenario was just me telling Lunatic how easy it is to bring a name up for lynch. Even so, that game you were horseman, so i mean...

Please don't bring the WotC up. I have tried to avoid talking about it as much as I can, though I have mentioned it with a few people. If you want to talk with me about it, please PM me.

The first scenario, while I was horseman that came, does not mean that it was a good reason to lynch.

And all that stuff was in a joking manner? My only response is this.
[21:15:28] <Trundle> it's funny how much people "joke" in mafia after you bring up what they said as accusation

 

[Superpenguin]

[21:15:28] <Trundle> it's funny how much people "joke" in mafia after you bring up what they said as accusation

You know....I whole-heartedly agree with this. It's so hilarious that you knew it was a joke before, but as soon as you want to accuse me of it, you decide you'll actually take it seriously.

 

[Andelsky]

Thing is I do disagree with what Karen says. I do believe it'd be smart to have a stronger player go for mayor. They have good leader skills. The people who I think would be good actually are; you Tom, Karen, Lauren and Oath. The last three have a strong demeanor about them and did infact press many cases against people. I've seen them work out to get things done and put time into the game. I've also seen you do lots of things as well Tom.

I do disagree, mayor is an important role. Think of it this way.. You get a person mayor who doesn't care that much about the game.. and pretty much wastes their talent as being invincible. With a stronger leader being protected night by night, its much easier. They'll back their players, work on cases, fight for evidence and actually use their invincibility to their power.. instead of being useless like an inactive player. /shrug

 

[MrPicklez]

I always try to talk to weaker players.

I can vouch on this 100%. In Supernatural he was nice enough to help me out and gave me some positive constructive criticism on my play style even though I had been a complete **** up in Tribal.

 

[Kaiaa]

I kind of agree with this. From the current candidates, and what I know of their previous game style, I don't think they'd be good candidates.

Pros and Cons with Superpenguin as mayor

• Con: He's really easy to tell when he's scum, in that he doesn't post much past day one or two.
• Con: I don't recall previous games where he went out of his way to talk to the inactives when he was a townie, or any other role for that matter.
• Con: I think there are stronger players who would do the job better. I'll share who I think should be mayor later on.
• Con: Has a known habit of not being too accommodating towards the newer players in mafia who have yet to figure out their playstyle.

Pros and Cons with Cory as mayor

• Pro: It's very easy to find out his role if he's scum.
• Con: See above. It could help us to find out his role, but if he's a blue, mafia can simply roleblock him constantly.
• Con: He's really not that good of a player. He caved too easily and didn't try to deflect the double-claim he had in Biomafia.

Pros and Cons with Purpl as mayor

• Pro: Did pretty damn good in Supernatural Mafia
• Con: Otherwise not too good of a player
• Con: I don't think they'd do a good job reaching out

Oath pretty much summed up what I was going to point out but I will add a little more to why I'm not very confident in out candidate choices. While it's nice to have a strong player on our side, it's also very dangerous if the strong player isn't town aligned.

Non-town aligned strong players running for mayor means a guaranteed protection at night until bodyguard is dead which could spell disaster for everyone else. It would be stupid for bodyguard to come out and say who they are so Mayor position is something mafia/third party would be striving for.

I'm not saying any of the candidates are mafia/third party but we should consider not a weak or strong person but a medium skilled player so that way in the event that they are not town aligned, they would be easier to point out than a strong player who is good at playing all sides nor would they be a weak player who may divulge all information/not think things through. Cory as a person is nice but as a mafia player, I cannot see or defend to be a strong player. Unfortunately, he is not exactly seasoned at this game and has had passed experiences with giving out information before official deaths, therefore not someone I would trust as mayor whether town or not. I also don't like the thought of people who "have it out" for others before the game even starts.

Should we instead nominate a few medium skilled players whether they want mayor position or not or choose from those who have put their name on the slip? This is a pretty hefty position to be put in so we need to choose carefully if we go that way.

 

[sn0wxyuki]

Finally read through all the pages.

It seems now that the intense fight for mayor role is Trundle and SP. Both of them make effort to proof who is better but I still couldn't understand totally which is better. However besides that I don't see the other candidate are much qualified (if there is no other try to fight for the seat).

It is truly not easy to be the mayor, cause everyone is looking up to you and for you to make the wise decision to decide who is the right one to lynch and the better move. Also not to mention staying alive is part of the responsible. Arguing who is bad and why we should not vote the other party but you doesn't make you look like a better mayor. I would then suggest the candidate "proof" why are they better and how can they do better to lead the team? After all is the trust you need to gain.

 

[Kaiaa]

Oh and yes, I forgot to mention that the mayor we do end up choosing should be an active player, not one who "will be busy"/"is busy" all the time.