Mafia TBT Mafia X: The Honnō-ji Incident [Game Over/Town Win]

[Bani]

Day 1 is here! Sorry I'm a bit late.
Looks like a debate for Mayor is going on right now.
I'll read through the posts and see what more I can come up with.
From what I have read so far though, I think that Trundle would not make a good Mayor also, he may be good at finding scum but if he all wants is a players role and not what they think, that's bad. I have to agree with SP on this one.

 

[Superpenguin]

I honestly wouldn't mind being Mayor as long as it helps town win. After all that's what a ruler is made to do; protect his people. Some of these candidates are just trying WAY too hard to get votes.

You're not a target. What makes you deserve that bodyguard protection?

 

[Sataric]

Your reasoning is completely flawed, a persons alignment won't singlehandedly prevent someone from running for mayor, so the fact that these few planned before they received their role is completely irrelevant. We need to vote for someone who is following their typical pro-town behaviour and has done well in the past, what your saying should not have any affect on who we vote for. There's also the fact that people received their roles before the game officially started and easily could have gotten their post ready before the game started, but after their roles had been sent out.

Right now, I'm probably going to vote for Trundle, because he's proven in past games to use a role in leadership completely effectively, and is showing signs of his typical pro-town behaviour.

I didn't think of that. (Bolded part) - And I agree with the majority of your post. I still don't think that it would be irrelevant to take the fact that the people pushing the hardest for the position had those words selected before the game started, though - How can you tell if it's typical "Pro-Town" behavior when they've already decided to forward these words to get elected before knowing their role? That doesn't add up. Just means they're good at pretending to be town-aligned, not that they have towns best interest in mind. In any case, like you said, I suppose it's fully possible they got their roles first and decided to campaign afterwards.

 

[Ashtot]

I know Trundle has his flaws, but so far in past games he's proven to be capable of leading a lynch against scum (and town, too for that fact).

Now that I think of it, no one's really fit to be mayor. I'll give this some more thought.

I know that people always point out that "Trundle mass killed townies" in whatever the heck that game was. But there wasn't really a choice and the reason he did it is because the rest of the townies were terrible players and sided with the remaining mafia, and we were practically cleared for the win anyway, so any reasoning toward him blindly lynching townies is a load of garbage.

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I didn't think of that. (Bolded part) - And I agree with the majority of your post. I still don't think that it would be irrelevant to take the fact that the people pushing the hardest for the position had those words selected before the game started, though - How can you tell if it's typical "Pro-Town" behavior when they've already decided to forward these words to get elected before knowing their role? That doesn't add up. Just means they're good at pretending to be town-aligned, not that they have towns best interest in mind. In any case, like you said, I suppose it's fully possible they got their roles first and decided to campaign afterwards.

Because I've played many games and his style is generally the same every game when he's town?

 

[Superpenguin]

I know that people always point out that "Trundle mass killed townies" in whatever the heck that game was. But there wasn't really a choice and the reason he did it is because the rest of the townies were terrible players and sided with the remaining mafia, and we were practically cleared for the win anyway, so any reasoning toward him blindly lynching townies is a load of garbage.

That shows he failed at picking out the scum in all the townie claims, though. He claims to be great at analyzing, but him going through several mislynches before getting to the real scum puts a dent in that claim.

 

[Sataric]

Because I've played many games and his style is generally the same every game when he's town?

Fair enough - But if he wrote those words before knowing his role, he could have written it with a town mindset regardless of what role he was given afterwards. That's all I am trying to say. In any case, I'm not against Trundle being selected. I feel that I worked with him well in the SuperNatural Mafia and that he helped lead town towards victory in that game. Now I need to get some sleep, so I'll catch up on the thread and cast my vote in the morning.

 

[MrPicklez]

You're not a target. What makes you deserve that bodyguard protection?

That's the thing: I'm NOT a target. Wouldn't it be better to have someone as mayor who's not going to be killed because they're a big player?

 

[Superpenguin]

That's the thing: I'm NOT a target. Wouldn't it be better to have someone as mayor who's not going to be killed because they're a big player?

No, because the only perk to being mayor is the bodyguard protection. That's basically what you are trying to get: the ability to live longer.

 

[MrPicklez]

No, because the only perk to being mayor is the bodyguard protection. That's basically what you are trying to get: the ability to live longer.

But you won't live longer if you're someone the Mafia finds a threat: aka the stronger players.

 

[Ashtot]

That shows he failed at picking out the scum in all the townie claims, though. He claims to be great at analyzing, but him going through several mislynches before getting to the real scum puts a dent in that claim.

There was no way anybody would be able to pick out the scum to begin with, and by several mislynches, I assume you mean like around 3? I'm tired of people blaming others for crap that isn't significant in order to make themselves look like a stronger player.

 

[KermitTea]

But you won't live longer if you're someone the Mafia finds a threat: aka the stronger players.

I'm sorry but this makes no sense at all. The mafia will have to find the bodyguard first in order to kill the mayor. Either way, it definitely allows the mayor to live longer.

 

[Superpenguin]

But you won't live longer if you're someone the Mafia finds a threat: aka the stronger players.

Yes you will. The mayor CANNOT be killed at night with the bodyguard still alive. The bodyguard has to be killed directly before the mayor can then be targeted. This means the mayor, no matter who it is, lives much longer.

 

[MrPicklez]

I'm sorry but this makes no sense at all. The mafia will have to find the bodyguard first in order to kill the mayor. Either way, it definitely allows the mayor to live longer.

I completely forgot that the bodyguard was chosen at random. For some reason I was thinking that the mayor chose. Haha

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In all honesty though, it feels like SP is trying WAY to hard for the Mayor role.

 

[Superpenguin]

In all honesty though, it feels like SP is trying WAY to hard for the Mayor role.

If there is anything you feel uncomfortable with about me, then please ask some questions, state your opinions, or do something. I can't help you if you simply aren't telling me what is throwing you off.

 

[Bani]

I completely forgot that the bodyguard was chosen at random. For some reason I was thinking that the mayor chose. Haha

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In all honesty though, it feels like SP is trying WAY to hard for the Mayor role.

That means SP has passion for the role. He's trying hard because he truely believes he should be Mayor. I don't see how he's doing anything wrong.

 

[Ashtot]

Just for the record:

[21:14] <Ashtot> why not vote trundle
[21:14] <Superpenguin> cause he annoys me

I don't see why anybody would want a mayor that simply votes and attempts to lynch people just because he doesn't like them as a person. He pushed a Sataric lynch and has pushed lynches on oath2order all because "they're annoying" etc.

Please think about who you vote for.

 

[KermitTea]

All these mayor candidates have flaws; I can't trust any of them. Trundle has a huge ego and keeps asking for roleclaims; SP has biases, Cory is a distraction, (and who else was running for Mayor...?).

I'm probably going to end up voting for myself just to be safe, since I'm the only one that's clear in my book. : )

 

[EpicGamer12]

I'd like the candidates to answer this question please. It's really simple.

Without going ahead and reading what anyone else has replied to this, the mayor role is essentially night protection and a way to convey information from blues to the thread without outing the blues.

 

[Superpenguin]

Just for the record:

[21:14] <Ashtot> why not vote trundle
[21:14] <Superpenguin> cause he annoys me

I don't see why anybody would want a mayor that simply votes and attempts to lynch people just because he doesn't like them as a person. He pushed a Sataric lynch and has pushed lynches on oath2order all because "they're annoying" etc.

Please think about who you vote for.

Support your claims with evidence, and that quote had much more to it.

[20:12] <Superpenguin> Yeah, so I would vote for myself
[20:12] <Superpenguin> If I was ognna vote for Trundle, I would drop out
[20:12] <Ashtot> but all you're reasoning is flawed
[20:12] <Ashtot> there's no reason to vote for you
[20:12] <Superpenguin> If I didn't have enough confidence in myself to vote for myself, I wouldn't even run
[20:13] <Ashtot> especially with your recent posts


I have never led a lynch on aoth2order. The lynch on Sataric was dropped in the first game Staric played as they started to prove themself as a more vaulable player thna I had first tohught. The second lynch onStaric which actually happened was when I was scum. Obviously my cases and views on lynch candidates will be different and waaaaay more twisted when I am scum.

 

[Ashtot]

Also remember that Superpenguin led to WotC oath2order for pretty much no logical reason, which I see as another huge character flaw for a good mayor.