Mafia TBT Mafia X: The Honnō-ji Incident [Game Over/Town Win]

[KermitTea]

Why don't you come up with some reads then instead of slamming me in the manner of your usual deconstructive non-helpful posting?




Am I the only one who finds this incredibly hilarious?

All of the posts you quoted can be summarised as: "Be careful, we could be electing Mafia"! That's the sum of your contribution. I'm asking you for your suspect reads, you tell me you'll give me them on day 2? WHY ARE YOU HOLDING BACK? Day one is not just about electing players. If you have suspicions, EXPAND on them. You said Trundle posted something on IRC that made you uneasy about him, SHARE IT WITH US so we can scrutinise it too. You'll gladly make a long vocal post when it comes to lynching? Why can't you do it now?


These WIFOM posts mean nothing, don't make them.

Because there's nothing to say now. Is it wrong to change thoughts when there's more posts? Yeah okay I contradicted myself, but when the thread was pretty much spammed with useless mayor campaign posts then I think I have a right to switch what I'm honking. I've already shared suspicions with one player that I trust. Why do you want me to share in the thread? Me sharing in the thread will simply give mafia more room to cover up and hide. I'm waiting for more posts from that person before I make a move.

AND I SHARED WHAT HE SAID IN THE IRC ALREADY. I don't have the exact quote since I was on my iPad but look back and you'll find what I said.

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*thinking not honking

damn.

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It's nothing major. I'm pretty sure he said something about using actions but later when I talked to him he said he was a townie so it seemed inconsistent. I was pretty tired yesterday after celebrating with my mom though so I could be wrong on that.

^^^
here it is

 

[KarlaKGB]

I've already shared suspicions with one player that I trust. Why do you want me to share in the thread? Me sharing in the thread will simply give mafia more room to cover up and hide. I'm waiting for more posts from that person before I make a move.

Are you serious? a) how do you trust that person, when you don't trust any of the mayoral candidates?
b) Great, you actually have a read on someone and you don't want to share with the rest of us. It does NOT give mafia more room to cover up and hide. It forces whoever you suspect to talk. That can only be a good thing.

You are scummy as hell.

AND I SHARED WHAT HE SAID IN THE IRC ALREADY. I don't have the exact quote since I was on my iPad but look back and you'll find what I said.

After being pushed to. Why can't you volunteer information freely?

 

[EpicGamer12]

Alrighty, so I know some of you might be busy, but I'd like to call out
-Farobi
-pallycake
-BlueLeaf
And I want to know
-Who you're considering voting for?
-Any suspicions so far?
Of course, I'd appreciate that everyone took the time to answer this question. As for myself:
I'm willing to vote for Karla, although that does mean the blues I'm in contact with will be lost in what to do and it means I'll either be killed or recruited very quickly.
I'm suspicious of Jubs and Jer - I don't really see how Jer could lead town any better than Karla or I, and he's also very hard to read.

 

[KermitTea]

Because, half of what's being said in the thread I can feel is complete bs so I'm taking everything that's being said with a grain of salt. I trust that person after talking and interrogating them 1-1 for a while.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that's withholding information for that matter. I've just chosen to publicly hint that I know things other people don't. I'm sorry I play this game differently than you do, but if that's what you're judging me on then you'll need to improve your scum reading skills.

 

[oath2order]

I'm suspicious of Jubs and Jer - I don't really see how Jer could lead town any better than Karla or I, and he's also very hard to read.

Jubs isn't running. Why is he mentioned?

 

[Jeremy]

I'm against voting for Jeremy simply because it's hard to tell when he's scum and when he's town.

I will ask all detectives to inspect me night one, and I will start forming a quick alliance from there. We will have to be quick in finding the cult leader. I think that is our biggest threat. We will basically have no concept of "confirmed town" anymore.

 

[KermitTea]

I will ask all detectives to inspect me night one, and I will start forming a quick alliance from there. We will have to be quick in finding the cult leader. I think that is our biggest threat. We will basically have no concept of "confirmed town" anymore.

There's always the slim chance you could be godfather, and we don't want our DTs wasting an inspection on someone that we generally voted to trust. By electing mayor we are all agreeing that he/she is trusted.

 

[EpicGamer12]

Jubs isn't running. Why is he mentioned?

I'm talking in general, not just mayors running.

 

[KarlaKGB]

Because, half of what's being said in the thread I can feel is complete bs so I'm taking everything that's being said with a grain of salt. I trust that person after talking and interrogating them 1-1 for a while.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that's withholding information for that matter. I've just chosen to publicly hint that I know things other people don't. I'm sorry I play this game differently than you do, but if that's what you're judging me on then you'll need to improve your scum reading skills.

You say there's nothing to say now that isn't repeating what other people have already said, but you value your reads enough that you have managed to find a cleared townie and a suspect already? How can anyone see you as a pro-town force when you are withholding information that is useful to town? You may play the game differently, but it's a **** way. My scum reading skills are just fine and dandy.

 

[Jeremy]

There's always the slim chance you could be godfather, and we don't want our DTs wasting an inspection on someone that we generally voted to trust. By electing mayor we are all agreeing that he/she is trusted.

Then the detectives can decide on their own if they think I'm being honest or not.

 

[KermitTea]

You say there's nothing to say now that isn't repeating what other people have already said, but you value your reads enough that you have managed to find a cleared townie and a suspect already? How can anyone see you as a pro-town force when you are withholding information that is useful to town? You may play the game differently, but it's a **** way. My scum reading skills are just fine and dandy.

So, are you 100% convinced I'll flip scum if you happen to kill me or lead a lynch against me? Then we'll see if your scum reading skills are fine and dandy.
I'm not withholding information for that matter. By posting it on the thread I'm sharing it with Town, Mafia, and Cult at the same time. By sharing it with 1 person I trust I'm essentially sharing it with entire town. I'm sure they can pull it through fine.

 

[KarlaKGB]

By electing mayor we are all agreeing that he/she is trusted.

Again if you read any other electoral game that wasn't the disastrous Mafia II, you would see that the question of trust is irrelevant. You can't clear any of the candidates, and by extension, you can't trust any of them either. No, by electing someone, you agree that they are giving off the most pro-town vibes, and that they are making a visible and concerted effort to find scum. You are agreeing that giving them the platform and the protection outweighs any risk that they are scum.

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So, are you 100% convinced I'll flip scum if you happen to kill me or lead a lynch against me? Then we'll see if your scum reading skills are fine and dandy.
I'm not withholding information for that matter. By posting it on the thread I'm sharing it with Town, Mafia, and Cult at the same time. By sharing it with 1 person I trust I'm essentially sharing it with entire town. I'm sure they can pull it through fine.

I'm not 100% convinced you'll flip scum, but I don't need to be to push you for the lynch. The fact that you are not willing to work with town is enough reason to kill you.

 

[KermitTea]

Again if you read any other electoral game that wasn't the disastrous Mafia II, you would see that the question of trust is irrelevant. You can't clear any of the candidates, and by extension, you can't trust any of them either. No, by electing someone, you agree that they are giving off the most pro-town vibes, and that they are making a visible and concerted effort to find scum. You are agreeing that giving them the platform and the protection outweighs any risk that they are scum.

Sure. So stop pushing me to post if everything I say is wrong. I'm not as good as a player as you are. Heck, I'm probably the worst player right now. I'll post when I feel like I can make a good contribution instead of this bs.

I'd like to share a very nice PM I received which sums up this situation pretty well:

Just walk away! They can't handle you being Wile E Coyote Super genius. You have posted more than enough...they are just trying to bait you. All Sataric did was rehash Karla's post and now Karla loves him . lol. You are just not compliant enough.

 

[Cariad]

I honestly think people are voting too fast, it's not a decision that should be taken lightly clearly. If we elect mafia and all these blue roles come forward to mayor, they've been trapped. I feel trundle is town aligned, so these blue roles that have claimed to him are safe but what if he wasn't? You guys know better than to role claim to people without solid evidence (sorry trundle) but these people need to have more about them, you could have role claimed to people who are aligned with mafia. Hopefully not, take more care next time.

Yes, I completely agree. We have lots of time, and were just arguing now. Let's find a leader and make that our main task now. I could be mayor, but I'd be terrible so I'm not putting my name down.

 

[Kaiaa]

http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...cident-DAY-1&p=2974745&viewfull=1#post2974745

In the link above, specifically "In my experience, those that push the hardest for mayor are town."

My reads so far on the players who have posted.

Trundle
Running for Mayor. Concerned that he feels the need to state that he plans to find mafia asap, especially when he implies he only does it to clear himself. You should be aiming to find mafia asap no matter what, and you don't do it to clear yourself, you do it to so you have frames of reference to read people's filters around. The post strikes me as selfish and having the wrong idea about being Mayor, but not scummy.

While seemingly "not scummy" Karlas linked quote above this one says that he believes those who try harder are usually town. Trundle is trying way harder than anyone else so why in THIS particular quote does he call Trundle out? A few posts later and Karla acts like a Trundle vote is in out best interest. I think Karla is being too trusting of Trundle.

If Trundle already has blue roles working with him, then it's in our best interests to elect him. If he's scum, those blues are screwed anyway.

I agree that those blues are screwed if Trundle is scum since he already would have told them but why put him in a position of invulnerability to vig shots on the off chance he actually IS scum. Yes, we can still lynch him if he is scum but he could just as easily be protected by a doctor because I'm sure that at least one of the rolls claimed to him had to of been doctor. We should put someone else as mayor because if Trundle is scum we are screwed.

These blues have already contacted Trundle, they're already "trapped".

Karla confirming that the blues are already screwed, again, then why take a chance protecting someone who could be scum.

I’m not saying Karla is scum, nor am I saying Trundle is. However, I believe that we are being too trusting of these strong players because they are strong. I don’t want the town screwing themselves by trusting the wrong person, I know that we can’t PROVE any alliances but I feel a less strong player is more apt to do whats in the towns interest. A less strong player will also be more easily broken and picked out as scum than strong players. Anyway, this is just something to think about, I’m headed to work.

 

[KarlaKGB]

I’m not saying Karla is scum, nor am I saying Trundle is. However, I believe that we are being too trusting of these strong players because they are strong. I don’t want the town screwing themselves by trusting the wrong person, I know that we can’t PROVE any alliances but I feel a less strong player is more apt to do whats in the towns interest. A less strong player will also be more easily broken and picked out as scum than strong players. Anyway, this is just something to think about, I’m headed to work.

What don't you understand about this? Some blues have claimed to Trundle. If he's scum, then they're screwed anyway. If he's not, then he's protected and can work fully with those blues. The benefits that it will bring if he IS innocent are far greater than the downsides if he is not.

 

[Kaiaa]

Whoops, here is the first part:

While it's nice to have a strong player on our side, it's also very dangerous if the strong player isn't town aligned.

Non-town aligned strong players running for mayor means a guaranteed protection at night until bodyguard is dead which could spell disaster for everyone else. It would be stupid for bodyguard to come out and say who they are so Mayor position is something mafia/third party would be striving for.

I'm not saying any of the candidates are mafia/third party but we should consider not a weak or strong person but a medium skilled player so that way in the event that they are not town aligned, they would be easier to point out than a strong player who is good at playing all sides nor would they be a weak player who may divulge all information/not think things through.

I just wanted to bring this back up, my opinion as to why we should be careful on voting too strong of a player.

 

[Justin]

I'm suspicious of Jubs and Jer - I don't really see how Jer could lead town any better than Karla or I, and he's also very hard to read.

Huh? Elaborate?

 

[Justin]

Also, this whole thing about the blues and Trundle. Has it occurred to anyone that it could be a play of his to lie about knowing blues to force this exact situation. The "Might as well make him Mayor since we're screwed either way" attitude.

 

[Ashtot]

Also, this whole thing about the blues and Trundle. Has it occurred to anyone that it could be a play of his to lie about knowing blues to force this exact situation. The "Might as well make him Mayor since we're screwed either way" attitude.

That's a good point.

At the same time though, even if scum gets elected, the blues aren't stupid, and can think for themselves (most likely). Scum being elected doesn't exactly condemn anyone except potentially the person who's lynched.