Mafia TBT Mafia X: The Honnō-ji Incident [Game Over/Town Win]

[Andelsky]

I just caught up and Im currently watching the movers pack so Ill just stay in this board on my phone since our internet was shut off. Okay i dont know about Sataric as.. He usually posts less and compared tolast time backed off the drama but i dint know if he'll be able to handle the toughness of mafia from what i remember he didnt last long in either game. Karen is smart and has a distinctive posting style im just confused where she got she isnt experienced enough? And honestly Karla with your strict and firm attitude and how youre making time to post cases and question everyonr i would consider voting for you. Im stuck between you and jer, i just am curious would you actually consider running and if so why do you think uoud be a good canidAte? And i Apologize now for any spelling mistakes cause of my phone

 

[KermitTea]

Care to share with the class?

It's nothing major. I'm pretty sure he said something about using actions but later when I talked to him he said he was a townie so it seemed inconsistent. I was pretty tired yesterday after celebrating with my mom though so I could be wrong on that.

 

[Kaiaa]

At first I didn't want a strong player to be mayor, because if they were scum it would make things significantly harder for us. That was my only concern. Now that posts have accumulated I do think Trundle is town aligned, but I could be wrong.

I feel the same way. Karla refuted me by saying:

Town's #1 method of killing scum has always been lynching. As a scum mayor, you have an even harder job of maintaining congruency between your real objective, and your fake objective, because all eyes are on you. You are just as vulnerable to being lynched. Protection against night kills is a very minor bonus if you're scum, since the biggest source of night kills ARE FROM SCUM. Fenced.

I do agree that the number 1 way of killing scum is lynching, with that said, I'd like to point out in case people forgot that we can still lynch the mayor for scum suspicious but when we put someone in the position of mayor it's because we trust them. Chances are we won't be lynching the person voted for mayor unless some sort of substantial evidence shows up. Sure the night protection is minor but it saves them from being shot, what scum wouldn't want that? I have to disagree, however, that it would be harder for a strong player to balance their scum activities with their perceived town activities. A strong player will have no problem with this and that's why I have trouble wanting to trust a strong player in mayor position. I still think a medium skilled player would be best because it would actually be harder for them to find that balance. If the medium skilled player were scum, it would be easier to tell (and lynch) than if it were a strong player. If the medium player were town, then they'd be strong enough not to give out the info on everyone who has claimed to them.

 

[KarlaKGB]

Karen has been playing as if she's withholding information so far.

Referencing Bioshock Mafia to support her idea, but not actually elaborating on it.

Talking about "posts have accumulated" which make her think Trundle is town, but again not elaborating on it.

And now, talking about an IRC post that makes her doubtful of Trundle. I mean, this is all information that's useful to Town, why are you so reluctant to share it?

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Sataric, I'm not bloodthirsty. I get scum vibes off you, and I'm trying to get you to talk. There's no need to be overdramatic about it, I'm not more than happy to see you killed in the first hour, that's pure hyperbole.

 

[KermitTea]

Withholding info? Lol that's sort of funny. This game I've been posting everything. From when I thought strong players would not be good as mayors to now. When I'm scum I tend to be a lot more careful with my posting, making sure I sound right and I don't stick out too much. I don't mind the suspicion though, at least it will make things more interesting for me.

 

[EpicGamer12]

Just as a side note, I am okay with Karla being mayor as well. He is definitely a good town player, but the problem is at this point, whoever doesn't get mayor will either be killed or recruited by third party night 1 or night 2 most likely. That being said, I am already in contact with various blue roles and it'd be appreciated if I got the night protection in order to coordinate their actions. With the cult leader and the mafia, it will be difficult to keep straight who is who. My blues will be following my lead and it's likely they have a good chance of role claiming to scum if I die.
Either way, it's up to you guys, the voters. I'm against Jer being mayor though, as he is hard to identify as mafia or town and is also not very well known for making cases or coordinating town.

 

[Lauren]

Trundle for me is town aligned. I already said for me it's either karla or trundle. Unless someone else catches my eye but like I said trundle or karla as I think they're town aligned.

 

[oath2order]

Withholding info? Lol that's sort of funny. This game I've been posting everything. From when I thought strong players would not be good as mayors to now. When I'm scum I tend to be a lot more careful with my posting, making sure I sound right and I don't stick out too much. I don't mind the suspicion though, at least it will make things more interesting for me.

But you have been withholding information, at least for a short period of time. It's not much but why wouldn't you tell us what he said here, and instead wait for someone to ask about it?

something he said in the IRC to me threw me off so I'll reconsider a bit...

 

[Sataric]

Sataric, I'm not bloodthirsty. I get scum vibes off you, and I'm trying to get you to talk. There's no need to be overdramatic about it, I'm not more than happy to see you killed in the first hour, that's pure hyperbole.

Well, your exact words were "Keep Sataric in mind for the lynch today" but that was right after the game had begun and hardly anyone had posted yet, and I believe it was the very first time anyone mentioned a lynch target all game. In any case, I get the impression that people have a hard time reading me - My name was put forward for the Day 1 lynch in the SuperNatural Mafia but I turned out to be Town there, and did my best to pull my weight. My name was also put forward for the Day 1 lynch in the BioShock Mini-Mafia and there I ended up killed by it, when I was also town. And now, here we go again - And I'm still town..

Truthfully, I am still quite new, and I make mistakes here and there, but I'm learning. Just because I do not agree with your opinions all the time, that doesn't make me scum, and wasting a Day 1 lynch on an active player just because of your incorrect gut-feeling about me seems quite foolish when there's many players who aren't currently contributing with anything at all despite signing up for the game. I am at least active and trying my best.

 

[EpicGamer12]

But you have been withholding information, at least for a short period of time. It's not much but why wouldn't you tell us what he said here, and instead wait for someone to ask about it?

Basically what happened is that she messaged me in the IRC questioning if I had a blue role. She said one of my posts were hinting towards me having a blue role, and I told her I'm not. We then discussed other things such as plans and suspicions. I'm not really sure what post she means, but if I did somehow hint that I was, it was unintentional.

 

[KarlaKGB]

I feel the same way. Karla refuted me by saying:

I do agree that the number 1 way of killing scum is lynching, with that said, I'd like to point out in case people forgot that we can still lynch the mayor for scum suspicious but when we put someone in the position of mayor it's because we trust them. Chances are we won't be lynching the person voted for mayor unless some sort of substantial evidence shows up. Sure the night protection is minor but it saves them from being shot, what scum wouldn't want that? I have to disagree, however, that it would be harder for a strong player to balance their scum activities with their perceived town activities. A strong player will have no problem with this and that's why I have trouble wanting to trust a strong player in mayor position. I still think a medium skilled player would be best because it would actually be harder for them to find that balance. If the medium skilled player were scum, it would be easier to tell (and lynch) than if it were a strong player. If the medium player were town, then they'd be strong enough not to give out the info on everyone who has claimed to them.

When we elect a Mayor, we put them on a pedestal. That's why we need to elect an active and vocal player. The more posts they make, the more pages of filter we have to work with. You're going to get more out of a skilled town mayor than a mediocre town mayor. You're also going to force a skilled mafia mayor to talk more. It's impossible for a scum player to eliminate their inherent mafia psychology. The more they talk, the harder it is for them to maintain congruency between their actions, their posts and their objectives. Mediocrity is not good enough. The fact that you would settle for a mediocre mayor does not sit well with me.

Withholding info? Lol that's sort of funny. This game I've been posting everything. From when I thought strong players would not be good as mayors to now. When I'm scum I tend to be a lot more careful with my posting, making sure I sound right and I don't stick out too much. I don't mind the suspicion though, at least it will make things more interesting for me.

Posting some generic cautionary advice is not contributing. You have not been posting everything. You vaguely reference things, but you don't expand on them. Why are you holding back?

Just as a side note, I am okay with Karla being mayor as well. He is definitely a good town player, but the problem is at this point, whoever doesn't get mayor will either be killed or recruited by third party night 1 or night 2 most likely. That being said, I am already in contact with various blue roles and it'd be appreciated if I got the night protection in order to coordinate their actions. With the cult leader and the mafia, it will be difficult to keep straight who is who. My blues will be following my lead and it's likely they have a good chance of role claiming to scum if I die.
Either way, it's up to you guys, the voters. I'm against Jer being mayor though, as he is hard to identify as mafia or town and is also not very well known for making cases or coordinating town.

If Trundle already has blue roles working with him, then it's in our best interests to elect him. If he's scum, those blues are screwed anyway.

 

[Justin]

I find the idea that Trundle already has multiple blue roles working with him to be ridiculous. We're barely 12 hours into the game and he has multiple blues claimed to him, while he's done nothing to appear town aside from a questionable Mayor campaign?

 

[KarlaKGB]

Well, your exact words were "Keep Sataric in mind for the lynch today" but that was right after the game had begun and hardly anyone had posted yet, and I believe it was the very first time anyone mentioned a lynch target all game. In any case, I get the impression that people have a hard time reading me - My name was put forward for the Day 1 lynch in the SuperNatural Mafia but I turned out to be Town there, and did my best to pull my weight. My name was also put forward for the Day 1 lynch in the BioShock Mini-Mafia and there I ended up killed by it, when I was also town. And now, here we go again - And I'm still town..

Truthfully, I am still quite new, and I make mistakes here and there, but I'm learning. Just because I do not agree with your opinions all the time, that doesn't make me scum, and wasting a Day 1 lynch on an active player just because of your incorrect gut-feeling about me seems quite foolish when there's many players who aren't currently contributing with anything at all despite signing up for the game. I am at least active and trying my best.

"Keep Sataric in mind for the lynch today" is not the same as "I want Sataric dead". At the end of the day, election aside, our objective is to find and lynch scum. It's never too early to begin prodding and challenging people, because it gets people posting. If you want to start contributing, then give me your reads on people. What do you think about Karen?

 

[Justin]

Of course we could just have some very naive blues on our team this game but it's fishy to me.

 

[Byngo]

I'll place my vote in the morning. I want to hear more from Jer who jumped in as a candidate.

And Lunatic.

Who would you two consider as a day one lynch candidate, and why?

I want to hear more from who jumped in as a candidate and Lunatic

If I were mayor, I would definitely listen and discuss with anyone who wants to, even someone who may seem like a complete noob-because you never know, they may have a tidbit of great info~ I also wouldn't act completely on my own as mayor, I'd definitely select a few trusted people to share all the info I get from PM's to role lists 'cause I do a lot better working with others than myself.

As for who is consider for a day 1 lynch? I haven't really thought about that but like I said above, I'd listen it suggestions from everyone. If there's a certain name that's unanimous, is strongly consider that person for lynch. I'm not saying I'd jump the gun and vote for that person, I'd still give plenty of time for any possible evidence to be brought up against somebody (trying myself to do this aswell), but if all else fails, a name a majority agrees on seems the way to go.

I don't expect to be voted mayor but I tried (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧

 

[EpicGamer12]

Of course we could just have some very naive blues on our team this game but it's fishy to me.

I know it seems odd, and I was actually quite surprised. People are coming to me and just claiming this game. I haven't asked anyone for their role (except Ashtot lol). But I'm sure you can tell my scum play from my non town play? As Karla already said, if I'm being held up as a mayor, it will be really apparent if I am scum. I'm pretty sure most scum players would be afraid at the thought of that anyway, so if I'm going for it, does it not show my transparency and orientation in the game?

 

[KermitTea]

Well what else do you want me to post when all you do is flame my posts and say everything I've said is wrong wrong wrong? We're not voting to lynch, just a candidate, and so far I've done everything that I could have done - post advice and give opinions on candidates. I've done a lot more than a lot of other people, some haven't even posted yet.

 

[KarlaKGB]

I also wouldn't act completely on my own as mayor, I'd definitely select a few trusted people to share all the info I get from PM's to role lists 'cause I do a lot better working with others than myself.
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nope.

I haven't really thought about that but like I said above,

Please start thinking about it.

 

[Ashtot]

To be honest, if you're not going to vote Trundle for mayor, I would definitely vote for Karla if I were any of you.

 

[KarlaKGB]

Well what else do you want me to post when all you do is flame my posts and say everything I've said is wrong wrong wrong? We're not voting to lynch, just a candidate, and so far I've done everything that I could have done - post advice and give opinions on candidates. I've done a lot more than a lot of other people, some haven't even posted yet.

I'm sorry, did i miss the part in the OP where it stated Town Win Condition: Elect Town as Mayor. Obviously not, we win by lynching scum, so please start giving me your thoughts on people. I don't need you to tell me "Oh, we MIGHT elect Mafia".

I'm only challenging you because you have made posts that can be challenged. I'm giving the people who haven't posted yet time.