Mafia TBT Mafia X: The Honnō-ji Incident [Game Over/Town Win]

[Sataric]

~@ KarlaKGB - My opinion on Karen is that she's playing very differently this game compared to how she played last game, when she was scum. But she's difficult to read, because last game she seemed very forward with making good posts and sharing information, and she had sinister intentions all along. Now she's been a bit less vocal about such matters, at least so far, and just shared some basic thoughts and ideas - But that could either be a change in her personal tactic or a change in her alignment this game.

In any case, what you said above is very true - If Trundle is telling the truth about having multiple blue roles already working for him, then selecting him to be the Mayor is likely the best way forward. I do not agree that RoleClaiming so early was overly wise by those who decided to do so, but what's done is done and I don't think Trundle is lying about it. I really hope that he turns out to be Town-aligned in the end because it feels like we're more or less handing him the game on a silver plate otherwise. I'm probably going to have to go ahead and vote for him, though he still would not have been my first choice if the circumstances were different. I'll wait just a few more hours just to see if any other strong candidates would appear with a convincing election plan though. Don't want to jump the gun.

 

[Byngo]

I also wouldn't act completely on my own as mayor, I'd definitely select a few trusted people to share all the info I get from PM's to role lists 'cause I do a lot better working with others than myself.
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nope.

I'm not going to randomly pick people and give them info if that's what you think. I'd give it a couple days c;

But it's obvious this is a wasted attempt because one of the strong players are going to be elected.

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To be honest, if you're not going to vote Trundle for mayor, I would definitely vote for Karla if I were any of you.

I think Jer would be a good mayor too

 

[KarlaKGB]

~@ KarlaKGB - My opinion on Karen is that she's playing very differently this game compared to how she played last game, when she was scum. But she's difficult to read, because last game she seemed very forward with making good posts and sharing information, and she had sinister intentions all along. Now she's been a bit less vocal about such matters, at least so far, and just shared some basic thoughts and ideas - But that could either be a change in her personal tactic or a change in her alignment this game.

In any case, what you said above is very true - If Trundle is telling the truth about having multiple blue roles already working for him, then selecting him to be the Mayor is likely the best way forward. I do not agree that RoleClaiming so early was overly wise by those who decided to do so, but what's done is done and I don't think Trundle is lying about it. I really hope that he turns out to be Town-aligned in the end because it feels like we're more or less handing him the game on a silver plate otherwise. I'm probably going to have to go ahead and vote for him, though he still would not have been my first choice if the circumstances were different. I'll wait just a few more hours just to see if any other strong candidates would appear with a convincing election plan though. Don't want to jump the gun.

Thanks, posts like this is more like what I want to see from people

 

[KermitTea]

I'll gladly make a long, vocal post when it comes to voting for a lynch. I'm pretty sure I've already stated my opinions on these candidates several times.

 

[Yui Z]

Sorry, I'm here! I've been trying to catch up between lessons all day, and don't like posting without knowing where everything is at so far.

Anyway, I'm torn between voting for Karla and Karen. Here's why.

Karla ~ Obviously a strong player who seems like leader material. I think it would probably be a huge loss to town if they died too because of this.

Karen ~ While they may not be as stronger player as Karla, they still seem like leadership material. Not sure why they don't feel that they're experienced enough though.

Neither of them are trying to force or nag people to vote for them either.

I actually would've considered voting for SuperPenguin if they were still running, since they'd thought about some kind of plan (even though it was flawed) which, to me, shows potential.

In conclusion, I think that I'll probably vote for Karla because it seems more important to protect a stronger player, in my opinion.

Just to add: It's not like the mayor has to be the only one to lead town anyway. Whoever is picked, they won't be able to do the job alone obviously.

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I also want to try and bring up some kind of good case, but would rather wait until the mayor has been elected. (One step at a time)

 

[Lauren]

I honestly think people are voting too fast, it's not a decision that should be taken lightly clearly. If we elect mafia and all these blue roles come forward to mayor, they've been trapped. I feel trundle is town aligned, so these blue roles that have claimed to him are safe but what if he wasn't? You guys know better than to role claim to people without solid evidence (sorry trundle) but these people need to have more about them, you could have role claimed to people who are aligned with mafia. Hopefully not, take more care next time.

 

[KarlaKGB]

I'll gladly make a long, vocal post when it comes to voting for a lynch. I'm pretty sure I've already stated my opinions on these candidates several times.

We don't vote for a lynch, the Mayor chooses the day one lynch. So get posting now, so that there's plenty of information for them to work with. They don't have long after the election finishes to choose the lynch. I just see you once again holding back, only doing the bare minimum to coast by. Start being proactive.

 

[oath2order]

I honestly think people are voting too fast, it's not a decision that should be taken lightly clearly. If we elect mafia and all these blue roles come forward to mayor, they've been trapped. I feel trundle is town aligned, so these blue roles that have claimed to him are safe but what if he wasn't? You guys know better than to role claim to people without solid evidence (sorry trundle) but these people need to have more about them, you could have role claimed to people who are aligned with mafia. Hopefully not, take more care next time.

*cough* game two *cough*

 

[Lauren]

*cough* game two *cough*

Exactly, if you want to see what happens with that, take a look at game two.

 

[Jeremy]

We don't vote for a lynch, the Mayor chooses the day one lynch. So get posting now, so that there's plenty of information for them to work with. They don't have long after the election finishes to choose the lynch. I just see you once again holding back, only doing the bare minimum to coast by. Start being proactive.

Who are you most suspicious of? Day one lynch is always hard, so the mayor will likely be drawing straws to determine who to go with unless we consecutively decide who to lynch as a group.

 

[KarlaKGB]

I honestly think people are voting too fast, it's not a decision that should be taken lightly clearly. If we elect mafia and all these blue roles come forward to mayor, they've been trapped. I feel trundle is town aligned, so these blue roles that have claimed to him are safe but what if he wasn't? You guys know better than to role claim to people without solid evidence (sorry trundle) but these people need to have more about them, you could have role claimed to people who are aligned with mafia. Hopefully not, take more care next time.

These blues have already contacted Trundle, they're already "trapped".

 

[KermitTea]

So this is not being proactive and bare minimum posting

All these mayor candidates are very interesting. I'd be against voting a strong player for Mayor though. It may sound stupid but just too big of a risk. Strong players = better at hiding as scum, and all the weak/newer players are going to be easily manipulated by them especially when it comes to the last few days. And I don't like any of these plans either. I think we can agree on no mass role claiming at all! It just messes everything up. Even if there's no unique names, what are you going to do with all the double claims? It's literally useless and it's going to confuse everyone. Instead I'd prefer something similar to what town did in Bio mafia. I was mafia in that game and I literally only knew Tina's role.

Screw all the mayor candidates. They all sound so desperate to be mayor and that just screams possible godfather to me.

Voters - who do you think should be mayor? Or what qualities do you want the mayor to have? Don't be influenced too much by the current campaigns. Just look back at past games and suggest a few names you think would be good at fulfilling the mayor role.

@Purpl - no one is going to take your word that you're a townie. You have to prove it through your posting and actions throughout the game. You're pretty much just saying "vote for me bcuz I is townie".

Sorry, but I'm looking back at a past mafia where mafia got both mayor and sheriff role. I don't see why we should suspect those who are pushing hard to be Mayor. There's no harm for a godfather to push hard to be Mayor so, I'm going to suspect everyone who's pushing hard to be Mayor.
I'm saying there should be no campaign at all and voters should simply vote for who they think would handle the mayor role the best and not be influenced by anything in the thread, Of course feeding candidates info on how they should campaign is bad, and of course we want a legit mayor with pro-town goals but if the campaigns we're getting is full of bs I don't see why we should vote for any of these candidates.

I know this has flaws. Like not every player wants to be mayor. But really I can't trust anyone that's running for mayor right now.

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*why we shouldn't

Answering Karla's question.

Imo the mayor is a player that should be good at posting cases and contributing to the thread, a person that would be a huge loss to town if he/she got killed. It should do what he/she normally does in a game without any major changes such as plans proposed earlier.

That being said I think I would be okay with voting for Trundle since it's super easy to tell when he's town or mafia but, not sure.

All these mayor candidates have flaws; I can't trust any of them. Trundle has a huge ego and keeps asking for roleclaims; SP has biases, Cory is a distraction, (and who else was running for Mayor...?).

I'm probably going to end up voting for myself just to be safe, since I'm the only one that's clear in my book. : )

+more...hard to quote on mobile.

And goddammit when I said make a long post for lynching, I meant for like Day 2 or something if I get to live that long.

 

[KarlaKGB]

Who are you most suspicious of? Day one lynch is always hard, so the mayor will likely be drawing straws to determine who to go with unless we consecutively decide who to lynch as a group.

I had scum reads on Sataric and Karen. I'm happier with Sataric now that they are starting to post their reads. Karen has been consistently holding back. Never volunteering information unless directly pressed to. Read through her filter and see for yourself. That's scummy as hell to me.

 

[Jeremy]

I had scum reads on Sataric and Karen. I'm happier with Sataric now that they are starting to post their reads. Karen has been consistently holding back. Never volunteering information unless directly pressed to. Read through her filter and see for yourself. That's scummy as hell to me.

I agree with you about both players. Well I was never really suspicious of Sataric. But Karen took a 180 on who she supported for mayor, which looks a little fishy to me. I'm not sure if her whole "don't elect a strong player" thing means anything, but I could see mafia saying that if none of their members were considered. However, I could also see why someone might have that idea as town if they are nervous about Trundle.

 

[KermitTea]

Look back at bio shock mafia and see the nice, town oriented posts that I made which usually consisted of 1 new idea + repeated other ideas stated by other people to equal a safe post. I have nothing to say now. Wtf do you want me to do? Repeat what others have said already? If I were scum, do you seriously think I'd be sticking out like a sore thumb like this?

On that note I'd like to advise you all against voting for Karla. He's obviously got everything wrong if he thinks I'm scum, and he'll just lead you to lynch more innocents like me.

 

[oath2order]

I find the idea that Trundle already has multiple blue roles working with him to be ridiculous. We're barely 12 hours into the game and he has multiple blues claimed to him, while he's done nothing to appear town aside from a questionable Mayor campaign?

Of course we could just have some very naive blues on our team this game but it's fishy to me.

No, you're right, I agree. I don't get why people claim blue on day one to someone you don't have any evidence that they might be town. Sure you might get town vibes later, in which case, claim all you want, but on day one? Ridiculous.

I'm going to go out on a limb and vote for Jeremy. He had a reluctance to jump on the Trundle bandwagon, which I like. It shows that he's willing to actually look at the information and do his research instead of minimally doing things and just bandwagoning.

Ok, I've decided to put my name forward for mayor. In MM7, I provided evidence which led to 2 dead mafia members, and I personally shot 1 other mafia member myself. That's 3 out of 4. Conversely, Trundle got himself shot by his fellow townie vigilante because he accidentally read his role PM wrong. I'll let you decide who you want running things around here!

His initial post announcing his candidacy, I noticed, wasn't noticed by many people. He did help lead to killing a large amount of mafia that game. It was Jeremy who told me that Cory claimed Yi Suchong that game (Tina told me that Trundle claimed that). He helped hint at Karen, though it was Alice who made the final decision there. And he did shoot Superpenguin all on his own. Sure, that game, he had sinister motives since he was the SK, but it still shows that he is a fairly decent scum hunter. And post-game, he told me his long term plan if mafia didn't kill him. It was a fairly good plan, well thought out. I think a mayor who plans in the long term is a good thing to have.

 

[KermitTea]

I agree with you about both players. Well I was never really suspicious of Sataric. But Karen took a 180 on who she supported for mayor, which looks a little fishy to me. I'm not sure if her whole "don't elect a strong player" thing means anything, but I could see mafia saying that if none of their members were considered. However, I could also see why someone might have that idea as town if they are nervous about Trundle.

Yeah, well, let's face it. I would never be mayor and Trundle's the other choice who I'd be okay with.

 

[Ashtot]

I've decided to switch my vote to KarlaKGB for now. He's clearly shown this game that he's pro-town and has already done lots that a mayor would be doing, such as getting people to talk and figuring people out. He's taking initiative unlike the rest of the candidates and is presenting incredibly valid reasoning. If I was mayor, I would want to act like a mayor, and this is what Karla's doing. (not to mention DOTA supreme overlord)

 

[KermitTea]

I'm against voting for Jeremy simply because it's hard to tell when he's scum and when he's town.

 

[KarlaKGB]

Look back at bio shock mafia and see the nice, town oriented posts that I made which usually consisted of 1 new idea + repeated other ideas stated by other people to equal a safe post. I have nothing to say now. Wtf do you want me to do? Repeat what others have said already? If I were scum, do you seriously think I'd be sticking out like a sore thumb like this?

On that note I'd like to advise you all against voting for Karla. He's obviously got everything wrong if he thinks I'm scum, and he'll just lead you to lynch more innocents like me.

Why don't you come up with some reads then instead of slamming me in the manner of your usual deconstructive non-helpful posting?

All these mayor candidates are very interesting.

Screw all the mayor candidates.

Am I the only one who finds this incredibly hilarious?

All of the posts you quoted can be summarised as: "Be careful, we could be electing Mafia"! That's the sum of your contribution. I'm asking you for your suspect reads, you tell me you'll give me them on day 2? WHY ARE YOU HOLDING BACK? Day one is not just about electing players. If you have suspicions, EXPAND on them. You said Trundle posted something on IRC that made you uneasy about him, SHARE IT WITH US so we can scrutinise it too. You'll gladly make a long vocal post when it comes to lynching? Why can't you do it now?

If I were scum, do you seriously think I'd be sticking out like a sore thumb like this?

These WIFOM posts mean nothing, don't make them.