Mafia TBT Mafia X: The Honnō-ji Incident [Game Over/Town Win]

[KarlaKGB]

Will a medic save against a conversion be notified as such, or will there be a generic protection message that's the same for both Mafia and cult?

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While I wait for my inevitable death, I thought I'd go through Andelsky's filter.

Thing is I do disagree with what Karen says. I do believe it'd be smart to have a stronger player go for mayor. They have good leader skills. The people who I think would be good actually are; you Tom, Karen, Lauren and Oath. The last three have a strong demeanor about them and did infact press many cases against people. I've seen them work out to get things done and put time into the game. I've also seen you do lots of things as well Tom.

She lists "you" (I can't tell who she's talking about), Tom, Karen, Lauren and Oath as potential strong candidates. What I find interesting about this is that despite listing Tom first, she mentions him last, as a sort of aside. Mafia psychology? She's gently pushing Tom without investing herself in it.

As for Tom, well, he's done nothing this game. He posts when he can answer an easy question to appear active and helpful, or he post some generic advice for town. Given the amount of good discussion we had going during day one, which is a rarity in TBT Mafia, I'm surprised he didn't feel the need to weigh in.
Let's look at Veteran Tom in Mafia IX

Ahoy, I'm alive. Gotta agree with BBG it's mighty strange SP is jumping on people right off the gate, but at least this behavior so far is consistent with his behavior as town. Not seeing the need to "suspect" you have famine or infestation and then announce it to the thread, more than likely you're going to cover the big players with these items to ensure they live off if they aren't picked off by Death, Mafia or Vigs. Really we're going to need to watch/help our lurkers, chances are they'll be targeted by the ailments because we normally don't care about them.

He makes some sort of an effort to figure things out on the first day.

This game, he makes a pretty useless post

Sup. I'm here kinda. Been keeping up with the thread, just haven't been posting opinions. If I was scum I'd be a little more vocal so I don't draw too much suspicion to me. You're free to inspect me though, it'd be a waste unless cult recruited me though.

Again, wifom arguments like "If I was scum" are worthless. If you're not scum, why are you thinking like you're scum?

Too bad his filter is lacking and that's all I can get out of it. Keep him in mind for the lynch.

 

[Lauren]

I've called out farobi, and stated why. They didn't defend themselves this is why I think in day we should lynch them, various other members of the group have mentioned him too.

 

[Chris]

Will a medic save against a conversion be notified as such, or will there be a generic protection message that's the same for both Mafia and cult?

Generic message.


Need a replacement for this game. Please PM me ASAP if you want to play.

 

[KarlaKGB]

I've called out farobi, and stated why. They didn't defend themselves this is why I think in day we should lynch them, various other members of the group have mentioned him too.

I think we should leave Farobi to a vig, and push a lynch on someone who will generate more discussion (ie. Tom).

 

[EpicGamer12]

I think we should leave Farobi to a vig, and push a lynch on someone who will generate more discussion (ie. Tom).

If there isn't a great deal of information coming back from my blues tonight, I would agree to push a lynch on Tom, seeing as his post quality is in the dumps and Andelsky used him as a mayoral candidate before anyone else - not to mention that Andelsky has only played 1 game before this and I don't think that much of a 'strong player' impression would have worn into her considering he wasn't in that game. Possible scum chat team role leader?

 

[Lauren]

Ok, I'll leave him for a vig, as long as a vig gets him.
Yeah, tom, you haven't posted very much, I'm copying Karla
READS AND THOUGHTS, READS AND THOUGHTS.

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usually tom is the one calling others out and being outspoken, ive never seen him so quiet in a game of mafia, especially after the day 1 lynch.

 

[MrPicklez]

I'm glad I'm not the only person who noticed the list of names that Andelsky brought up for mayoral candidates. Ashtot, myself, and Cory were actually talking last night about how little Tom has actually posted this game compared to the last two.

 

[PrayingMantis10]

I've been skimming the thread and literally just caught up with the latest post two hours ago though, so I can see why some players are suspicious of me. I must admit I probably need a break from Mafia but I don't want to be replaced right now (though if many people think I should be replaced then I would consider it!)

FYI, I was going to do the opinions per candidate thingy but the day went a bit too fast for me so I missed that. Doing it right now will be counter-productive since it won't really add discussion since a mayor has already been chosen...

I agree with Alise. I think Farobi is a very bored townie. I think a lynch right now would be easy but uneccessary. Tom is a seasoned player. He has hosted 3 Mafia/Minimafia games and has a fourth game coming up soon. His posts are belated generic bandwagon posts that I would only expect from a newbie player like me. Tom is a definite lynch candidate.

 

[Lauren]

I'd love to join.

Hehe.

Not to mention not every single role listed is in the game! Rather risky and stupid idea.

#timhonks5mayor

Well if there's people you got in mind who should run, you ought to speak up. Typically it gets the meeker leaders to try to run when they feel like they have a backing.

Few of our candidates are.

They definitely can't promise that. :/ SP v Oath and Cory v the world.

The mayor isn't terribly important.

We're voting for mayor

Sup. I'm here kinda. Been keeping up with the thread, just haven't been posting opinions. If I was scum I'd be a little more vocal so I don't draw too much suspicion to me. You're free to inspect me though, it'd be a waste unless cult recruited me though.

There's a big problem gone.

This is everything Tom has posted, now this is nothing compared to his normal high post count with actual content that is useful, here he's either agreeing, posting a gif or video. I want too look at one post closely... His "I'm sorry i haven't posted" post.. now we see a lot of these, yada yada but i think he could be using referse psychology here.. look at the bolded.

Sup. I'm here kinda. Been keeping up with the thread, just haven't been posting opinions. If I was scum I'd be a little more vocal so I don't draw too much suspicion to me. You're free to inspect me though, it'd be a waste unless cult recruited me though.

Now the bolded bits are just the intro to what i believe is reverse psychology. As you can see he says "i would be more vocal" yes.. but could you say that to hide the fact you're hiding away because you're red? and then the second bit is him basically saying you CAN inspect me and then he goes on ... its a waste of time <-- reverse psychology and then he tries to cover himself by saying about being recruited by cult. This makes me think he could be cult?

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He could be cult, since when is Tom ever quiet, townie or mafia?

 

[BungoTheElf]

lynn kind of was apprehensive about Andelsky.

Sorry, I didn't really get the thing about Andel and Karen but I was really confused. But then again I usually always am ._.

And yeah, Tom seems kind of suspicious since andel wanted him up for a mayor candidate and he didn't have that maybe good posts in the game U: Tom was a lot more active in posting during weaboo mafia (small posts kinda) and he was framer, and during aniaml crossinig mafia he was godfather, still small posts but still kinda active O: idk if that helps but I feel like it does maybe? V:

 

[KarlaKGB]

Wow I actually looked at weaboo mafia and thought he didn't play, good find, apparently I suck at reading player lists.

Also, why did Tom stop posting his ranking lists?

 

[Lauren]

For as long as I've know tom to play mafia, he's been one of the strongests at both mafia and town.. So he could be cult or changing his game style because he's mafia which would be a a stupid reason.

 

[sn0wxyuki]

Although I don't know much about Tom and his play style, but there is strong evidence on most people that he been suspiciously quiet in this game (I agree too while reading through the post I don't recall seeing his name up).

As for Farobi case, he been like this since the last game bioshock and I remember someone saying "I know you re not happy to get a townie role" therefore this might have lead to his inactiveness. But still I don't see there is a reason to be upset as townie can also play an important roles in mafia! Besides there is also a few people who isn't active and I don't see their name popping out or probably I ninja-ed them lols~ Instead on focusing on inactive, I think is much better to be digging out whoever is suspicious (for me now is Tom)

 

[KarlaKGB]

Alice Alice, where have you been this game? I miss Psychic Alice from Mafia IX. You could tell she wanted to contribute, but she was scared as a poor blue.

This game? Nothing but this post that reeks of hesitancy over lynching Andelsky.

We really don't have any better information here, so that may be our only real option. I guess for now, we should just take Gallows word for it.

But it's ok Alice, I'm still only fenced about you. Help me hop over to the town leaning side of your fence. What do you make of Tom? How about the inactives like Farobi? Do you have any suspects of your own?

 

[Kaiaa]

Sup. I'm here kinda. Been keeping up with the thread, just haven't been posting opinions. If I was scum I'd be a little more vocal so I don't draw too much suspicion to me. You're free to inspect me though, it'd be a waste unless cult recruited me though.

I don't understand how "If I was scum..." helps? Statements like that lead me to believe that you are trying to convince yourself of your playstyle so that you can forcefully change it. One other thing I dislike is that you are telling people to inspect you which "would be a waste" so why do it in the first place? Are you Godfather or something? I'm just going to let you know now that whether or not you are doesn't matter and the town will find out. They killed me as the first scum in AC mafia so don't think that hiding behind a green roll on inspection saves you. Of course, you could also just be town but we'll find out one way or another.

Would you like to share a little more about your suspicions? What are your thoughts on the Karen/Gallows predicament?

 

[Jeremy]

I would like to hear more from Ashtot. You were talking a lot about the mayor election, but then barely said anything concerning lynches, etc.

 

[Alice]

Alice Alice, where have you been this game? I miss Psychic Alice from Mafia IX. You could tell she wanted to contribute, but she was scared as a poor blue.

This game? Nothing but this post that reeks of hesitancy over lynching Andelsky.


But it's ok Alice, I'm still only fenced about you. Help me hop over to the town leaning side of your fence. What do you make of Tom? How about the inactives like Farobi? Do you have any suspects of your own?

Tom seems fairly suspicious. "If I was" sounds like a pretty big red flag, and the end of his post sounds like a subtle dare. Farobi's been away from the thread, but over all he's been still active on the forums, so he's either scum and nervous, or he's a town and just doesn't want to play. Either way, he's useless to town. I don't have many original reads. I'm always hesitant before lynching. I was hesitant about a few lynches in bioshock as well. I'm suspicious of Sataric and his obvious post-fluffing, but he does that to varying degrees just about every game. I've been suspicious of Superpenguin, ever since he pulled out of the election, but he either realised he was getting too much attention, or he knew he wouldn't win. I'm still forming reads on a few players, but I have nothing substantial.

 

[Jeremy]

Tom seems fairly suspicious. "If I was" sounds like a pretty big red flag, and the end of his post sounds like a subtle dare. Farobi's been away from the thread, but over all he's been still active on the forums, so he's either scum and nervous, or he's a town and just doesn't want to play. Either way, he's useless to town. I don't have many original reads. I'm always hesitant before lynching. I was hesitant about a few lynches in bioshock as well. I'm suspicious of Sataric and his obvious post-fluffing, but he does that to varying degrees just about every game. I've been suspicious of Superpenguin, ever since he pulled out of the election, but he either realised he was getting too much attention, or he knew he wouldn't win. I'm still forming reads on a few players, but I have nothing substantial.

In Bioshock mafia, we (a few people in PM) were just about to lynch Farobi because we thought he was acting weird / inactive. In fact, we were practically typing in his name to vote. Then he suddenly posted one last post and Minties said he quit and was replaced with Andel. As a result, we didn't lynch him, but it turned out he was mafia the whole time.

 

[KarlaKGB]

Not sure why he wasn't banlisted for quitting Bioshock mafia.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

While I wait for my inevitable death, I thought I'd go through Andelsky's filter.

She lists "you" (I can't tell who she's talking about), Tom, Karen, Lauren and Oath as potential strong candidates. What I find interesting about this is that despite listing Tom first, she mentions him last, as a sort of aside. Mafia psychology? She's gently pushing Tom without investing herself in it.

As for Tom, well, he's done nothing this game. He posts when he can answer an easy question to appear active and helpful, or he post some generic advice for town. Given the amount of good discussion we had going during day one, which is a rarity in TBT Mafia, I'm surprised he didn't feel the need to weigh in.
Let's look at Veteran Tom in Mafia IX

He makes some sort of an effort to figure things out on the first day.

This game, he makes a pretty useless post

Again, wifom arguments like "If I was scum" are worthless. If you're not scum, why are you thinking like you're scum?.

Wasn't terribly interested, especially with the long IRC logs. Outside of the logs, it was mostly campaigns that were either jokes or people being half serious. Not sure why Andel was interested in having me run unless they went back and skimmed previous games. Not much of leader, I prefer assisting the real ones.

Also, think like scum to try and catch scum.

If there isn't a great deal of information coming back from my blues tonight, I would agree to push a lynch on Tom, seeing as his post quality is in the dumps and Andelsky used him as a mayoral candidate before anyone else - not to mention that Andelsky has only played 1 game before this and I don't think that much of a 'strong player' impression would have worn into her considering he wasn't in that game. Possible scum chat team role leader?

Again, maybe Andel skimmed previous games. Last time there was a mayor role and I expressed interest in running, I was scum. If I was going to have a "scummate" push for me, shouldn't I try running?

Ok, I'll leave him for a vig, as long as a vig gets him.
Yeah, tom, you haven't posted very much, I'm copying Karla
READS AND THOUGHTS, READS AND THOUGHTS

usually tom is the one calling others out and being outspoken, ive never seen him so quiet in a game of mafia, especially after the day 1 lynch.

I've had quiet games, though usually I'm being active in IRC in those games. Haven't really talked with anyone so no reads at the moment and my brains pretty fried from my early rise.

I agree with Alise. I think Farobi is a very bored townie. I think a lynch right now would be easy but uneccessary. Tom is a seasoned player. He has hosted 3 Mafia/Minimafia games and has a fourth game coming up soon. His posts are belated generic bandwagon posts that I would only expect from a newbie player like me. Tom is a definite lynch candidate.

I don't think Farobi is a bored townie, he's typically not active every game. :/ I disagree with bandwagon posts, if I was bandwagoning this game I would have jumped the Trundle/Jeremy train instead of voting for Lunatic plus pushed for the lynch of Andel.

This is everything Tom has posted, now this is nothing compared to his normal high post count with actual content that is useful, here he's either agreeing, posting a gif or video. I want too look at one post closely... His "I'm sorry i haven't posted" post.. now we see a lot of these, yada yada but i think he could be using referse psychology here.. look at the bolded.

Now the bolded bits are just the intro to what i believe is reverse psychology. As you can see he says "i would be more vocal" yes.. but could you say that to hide the fact you're hiding away because you're red? and then the second bit is him basically saying you CAN inspect me and then he goes on ... its a waste of time <-- reverse psychology and then he tries to cover himself by saying about being recruited by cult. This makes me think he could be cult?

He could be cult, since when is Tom ever quiet, townie or mafia?

No seriously, inspect me. If I return cult I'll go peacefully, vote for myself. If I return red I'll fight like hell.

Sorry, I didn't really get the thing about Andel and Karen but I was really confused. But then again I usually always am ._.

And yeah, Tom seems kind of suspicious since andel wanted him up for a mayor candidate and he didn't have that maybe good posts in the game U: Tom was a lot more active in posting during weaboo mafia (small posts kinda) and he was framer, and during aniaml crossinig mafia he was godfather, still small posts but still kinda active O: idk if that helps but I feel like it does maybe? V:

AC Mafia I was townie FYI.

Wow I actually looked at weaboo mafia and thought he didn't play, good find, apparently I suck at reading player lists.

Also, why did Tom stop posting his ranking lists?

Because you ****s all *****ed about them. "Hitlists" and "waaa I'm a target".

For as long as I've know tom to play mafia, he's been one of the strongests at both mafia and town.. So he could be cult or changing his game style because he's mafia which would be a a stupid reason.

Or maybe I'm just not that interested.

I don't understand how "If I was scum..." helps? Statements like that lead me to believe that you are trying to convince yourself of your playstyle so that you can forcefully change it. One other thing I dislike is that you are telling people to inspect you which "would be a waste" so why do it in the first place? Are you Godfather or something? I'm just going to let you know now that whether or not you are doesn't matter and the town will find out. They killed me as the first scum in AC mafia so don't think that hiding behind a green roll on inspection saves you. Of course, you could also just be town but we'll find out one way or another.

Would you like to share a little more about your suspicions? What are your thoughts on the Karen/Gallows predicament?

Not godfather this time. I'll post suspicions when I'm at my computer so I can review the thread more. Pally hasn't said anything I think if you really want a bone right this instance. Haven't cared enough to really read through that mess of a log and Karen's posts.


Apologies if something messes up, mobile posting is a pita. Also it's a tad alarming how has the lynch Tom train is building, though I supposed I'd be doing the same with someone else.