Mafia TBT Micromafia: The Resistance (Spies Won)

[Ryumia]

Literally, Dedenne proposes a three person without her on it and says she’s fine with it, then goes from one post saying that she’s townlocking Toads for not being teammed with me to scumreading him/me

Not sure the reasoning behind her not picking herself on a team without her on it. But... It could have been because she was kind of scum lock, so any mission with her on it might have been a majority of the nay.

 

[Dolby]

Not sure the reasoning behind her not picking herself on a team without her on it. But... It could have been because she was kind of scum lock, so any mission with her on it might have been a majority of the nay.

It was proposal 2 though, not the later ones

 

[dedenne]

Not sure the reasoning behind her not picking herself on a team without her on it. But... It could have been because she was kind of scum lock, so any mission with her on it might have been a majority of the nay.

i was probably tired whilst writing that tbh my brains rusty ive not done maths in 6 weeks

 

[Ryumia]

i was probably tired whilst writing that tbh my brains rusty ive not done maths in 6 weeks

Oh... :0 I'm sorry you had possibly a lack of energy at that time.

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It was proposal 2 though, not the later ones

I don't blame her for flip-flopping... Antonio's slot was hard to fill. His slot was being categorized as scum a lot in-game, so it is kind of hard to change that around.

 

[toadsworthy]

I mean... The majority of the Resistance shouldn't have been bias about the slot in the first place. Might have had a chance to win.

lol hindsight its easy to say something like this

well no one in that slot did a very good job of.... really anything tbh, they all just kinda came in and floundered. Yeah they had a lot of sus from the start, but thats no excuse

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*deep breathing* I don't know why we spent the last half of this game the way we did when we could've ended it forever ago

I know I was slow to catching on to this set at first, but I understood how it worked after a little bit

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it makes it really easy to win this as a spy when one of the town slots is not acting like they know at all what is happening

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also Dolby you were such a douche bag at the start of the game it just pissed me off for the first half

 

[dedenne]

thats literally bc i did not know what at all was happening

and i'll say this again just looking at this thread actually put me in a bad mood

 

[Ryumia]

lol hindsight its easy to say something like this

well no one in that slot did a very good job of.... really anything tbh, they all just kinda came in and floundered. Yeah they had a lot of sus from the start, but thats no excuse

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*deep breathing* I don't know why we spent the last half of this game the way we did when we could've ended it forever ago

I know I was slow to catching on to this set at first, but I understood how it worked after a little bit

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it makes it really easy to win this as a spy when one of the town slots is not acting like they know at all what is happening

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also Dolby you were such a douche bag at the start of the game it just pissed me off for the first half

I suppose. But... The slot did get the first point for the Resistance, so that at least something and not actually not much of anything.

Though... I don't think it is that difficult to not be bias or anything.

 

[toadsworthy]

I suppose. But... The slot did get the first point for the Resistance, so that at least something and not actually not much of anything.

But getting it for all the wrong reasons, or pure dumb luck isn't what this is game is about and if you aren't/can't explain why you get it then it doesn't even matter. Me and Dolby had all the right thought processes for this, but that is gonna be lost because you all are only focusing on the result.

Though... I don't think it is that difficult to not be bias or anything.

Again its a hindsight 20/20 thing and really easy for you to say outside the game since you played for like a day. And the point of this game is to analyze people and the goal is to have the same players stay in throughout the whole thing. So if you are gonna wimp out, I'm gonna analyze each person. Also with the set-up, we don't have enough time to give each replacement a breather not to mention when that replacement isn't doing jack squat as far as content and actually participating.

thats literally bc i did not know what at all was happening

and i'll say this again just looking at this thread actually put me in a bad mood

The appropriate reaction to not knowing what is happening is not to just place unsubstantiated reads and votes and just dip out, that looks scummy af. You didn't even try. I was clearly and visibly upset throughout this game, but I didn't just give up (despite saying I did like 5000 times)... because I was ultimately town and town doesn't just turn its back on everything or replace out because its too tough. You know what you are getting into when you sign up for a game or replace out of a game. If the nature of this is too much for you then I'm sorry to say it, but don't sign up.

Yeah I know we don't have a lot of players around rn in general to say something like that, but honestly I'd rather have 6 quality players who actually play this game rather than 600 who are just there....

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I suppose. But... The slot did get the first point for the Resistance, so that at least something and not actually not much of anything.

also that was a 2 person mission we all knew would pass no matter what so I don't see the big deal

 

[Ryumia]

But getting it for all the wrong reasons, or pure dumb luck isn't what this is game is about and if you aren't/can't explain why you get it then it doesn't even matter. Me and Dolby had all the right thought processes for this, but that is gonna be lost because you all are only focusing on the result.

I don't think there is a "right" or "wrong" reason because that would vary from person to person. With "pure dumb luck"... I is a tactical mechanic that you can use in the game, so I don't see a problem with using "pure dumb luck". I mean... Having luck is a skill. The "right thought process" that you're referring to isn't something that I'm not understanding.

Again its a hindsight 20/20 thing and really easy for you to say outside the game since you played for like a day. And the point of this game is to analyze people and the goal is to have the same players stay in throughout the whole thing. So if you are gonna wimp out, I'm gonna analyze each person. Also with the set-up, we don't have enough time to give each replacement a breather not to mention when that replacement isn't doing jack squat as far as content and actually participating.

In doing so... Potentially causes Town to lose the game with that state of mind. Providing "content" and "actually participating" isn't the only way to play mafia. The goal is to just win for your role and there are probably a lot of ways of doing so.

also that was a 2 person mission we all knew would pass no matter what so I don't see the big deal

It could have potentially fail. At that time... Antonio's slot was scumread in the game, so if the mission had fail then all the blame could have gone on the slot that replacement him.

 

[toadsworthy]

I wish you would put half the effort into actually playing the game rather than judging from the sidelines and throwing some low-key shade at the people who actually put all the effort into this.

I don't think there is a "right" or "wrong" reason because that would vary from person to person. With "pure dumb luck"... I is a tactical mechanic that you can use in the game, so I don't see a problem with using "pure dumb luck". I mean... Having luck is a skill. The "right thought process" that you're referring to isn't something that I'm not understanding.

You can't base your whole play style on luck. Because then trying to convince other people by just saying "its what I feel" or saying "let's do it because I'm lucky" will NOT fly in a game of mafia, and anyone who believes and goes with that is not playing this game correctly. You can say something along the lines of I'm betting that someone is mafia, but you better have actual thought in the game... because just guessing at whose mafia is pretty bad.

This game is about reading people, their motives, what they do (or don't do), and using perspective to decipher who is mafia and who is not.

In doing so... Potentially causes Town to lose the game with that state of mind. Providing "content" and "actually participating" isn't the only way to play mafia. The goal is to just win for your role and there are probably a lot of ways of doing so.

I just explained what this game is... yeah you could not talk, but I think its generally considered scummy behavior to just coast through without giving much opinion or content yet still voting, which is what everyone in the Antonio slot essentially did. You can usually tell the type of players that are more quiet if they are out of character to some degree, but again.... thats what this game is about. its' not about sitting around and just guessing each round to see if town wins.

It could have potentially fail. At that time... Antonio's slot was scumread in the game, so if the mission had fail then all the blame could have gone on the slot that replacement him.

If scum failed the first mission, there is then a 50/50 chance of getting a scum right and you could easily figure that out later. So to give antonio the credit for that "passing" is just bad.

What I'm beating around the bush and sugar coating because everyone gets sensitive at stuff like this is that there was a lot of just bad playing. The Antonio slot never participated in conversation, generated content... so its easy to scum read it for good reasons. Punchy literally could've ended this game much earlier, but didn't because.... idk... I stand by that me and dolby were right in town locking him for that. Dolby was all over me for absolute bs from the start.

I won't say I ever play anything perfectly or marginally good because like we are saying there is variability to each player and game. I play way too emotionally and it hinders my ability to connect and communicate with other players, it deters them from me, and makes me look scummy. But that's kinda my overall style at this point.

However to measure players just by the results is not right. So to say Antonio did good because he got resistance the first point is dumb, because of the reasons I just said. Bianca and Ryumia are kind of shading me and Dolby for "losing this" because we harped on Dedenne so much, but when you look at it from our perspective, we read this game the way we should and made the best with what we had.

I think the scum team did fine, but as I said Idk why Punchy kept us going for so long... and I'm not wrong for reading it the way I did. The intentionality behind it is questionable. I play this game by reading people's intentions, which is what you are supposed to do. So if we have a bunch of people who don't understand the game enough to "have intentions" then its kinda of undermining the game as a whole... then it kind of boils down to luck with me guessing "is PLAYER actually playing this game or just oblivious" which is stupid and why I think so many people have left playing the game.

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Getting off my soapbox and most likely leaving mafia because the core game itself is being lost at this point

 

[cornimer]

It could have potentially fail. At that time... Antonio's slot was scumread in the game, so if the mission had fail then all the blame could have gone on the slot that replacement him.

We actually considered doing that for a bit lol
We also considered failing the me/Punchy mission just so everyone would think ONE of us were scum and we weren't a team, but everyone was so convinced Dedenne was one of the scum slots that we didn't do that.

 

[Biancasbotique]

I also said that Dedenne’s proposal was crucial but she sent Punchy so really if it’s not you or Dolby, it will be also dedenne and I was just observing that and just my commentary. Personally, I wouldn’t send Vanessa/ Punchy combo because they already failed two missions but I’m not in the game so it’s hard to tell. And I do thank you for making an effort for the game. In light of what happened, i am glad that you and Dolby eventually stop shading each other but Vanessa and Punchy also did a good job at masking their scumminess . I meant distributing their scuminess. But no shade, I’m beyond it really

 

[toadsworthy]

Mafia is a game of logic, intuition, persuasiveness, reading ability, emotion, and will. In short, its a thinking man's game. There are many different ways to approach the game and every game is a very different experience. In addition, Mafia is not for the faint-hearted or overly emotional. While not occurring every game, sometimes people can get into very heated arguments with one another. People can get very emotional playing Mafia, as it is a high-intensity endeavour. That being said, playing Mafia is an excellent to develop thick skin, improve your patience, and make yourself a stronger person mentally.

This is in every mafia game for sign-ups... the first line. While yes there is variability like it says, but I'm sorry it doesn't mean luck and players just not saying anything. Like I said the way games have been going recently, the "thinking-man's game" aspect of it seems to be dwindling hence why I feel like I'm leaving. I'm instead getting frustrated with people just not thinking, and factoring in whether someone actually knows what the game is and how to play shouldn't be apart of it and takes away from the game itself. Instead people whine about what the game actually is and want to defend stupid plays, when we would all be better if you just took accountability for them.

 

[Geoni]

Kinda glad that I didn't join this one yet but at the same time I'm not? Seemed like an interesting setup, hadn't seen it before, and looked tricky from the bits and pieces I read.

 

[toadsworthy]

I also said that Dedenne’s proposal was crucial but she sent Punchy so really if it’s not you or Dolby, it will be also dedenne and I was just observing that and just my commentary. Personally, I wouldn’t send Vanessa/ Punchy combo because they already failed two missions but I’m not in the game so it’s hard to tell. And I do thank you for making an effort for the game. In light of what happened, i am glad that you and Dolby eventually stop shading each other but Vanessa and Punchy also did a good job at masking their scumminess . I meant distributing their scuminess. But no shade, I’m beyond it really

I appreciate this and agree with the statement that me and Dolby essentially scum locking Dedenne was the downfall. But I also wouldn't have thought or played it any different. I'm mostly upset that people were seemingly defending what Antonio/Ryumia/Dedenne did (which also kinda threw shade at me and Dolby), when its really those people not playing very town-like that lost us the game. And if we learned that lesson rather than saying that the two people approaching this game from a logical standpoint "lost it" then I would feel better. But the way conversation was going it didn't seem that way.

And hearing this Bianca I don't think you think that way now, and do understand your point

 

[Biancasbotique]

We actually considered doing that for a bit lol
We also considered failing the me/Punchy mission just so everyone would think ONE of us were scum and we weren't a team, but everyone was so convinced Dedenne was one of the scum slots that we didn't do that.

You guys achieved that with the toads/Vanessa/ Punchy mission. Toads Sussed you to death

 

[toadsworthy]

You guys achieved that with the toads/Vanessa/ Punchy mission. Toads Sussed you to death

I did think that at one moment, but admittedly it was less on my mind because Dedenne screamed scum

 

[Biancasbotique]

But what I don’t understand really is how Dedenne was scumread? Was it based on Antonio’s action? I thought it was Dedenne just being Dedenne fmpov. I don’t think Dedenne makes long posts, and please corrrct me if I am not mistaken

 

[dedenne]

ok sorry i just gave up but i was rly done with it tbh im used to being scumread for no reason but this one just annoyed me so much, but i didnt want bianca to find yet another replacement. i shouldnt have given up and im sorry.

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But what I don’t understand really is how Dedenne was scumread? Was it based on Antonio’s action? I thought it was Dedenne just being Dedenne fmpov. I don’t think Dedenne makes long posts, and please corrrct me if I am not mistaken

literally what i was thinking

 

[PunchyTheCat]

How was I basically townlocked